Qbiken wrote: »

A simple buff to Pelinal´s would be a good start. Let Pelinial include spell/weapon critical as well.

Or soft caps to stats...

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Dumbing down the game? No, thank you. SWTOR has tried that and it didn't end too well.

There are other means to buff hybrids, but they won't reach the effectiveness of pure builds without a complete redesign of the game system.
Examples are:
-buffing hybrid sets
-softcaps
-unlink dmg from max resources
-remove CP

Three of your four examples lower everyone's dps, two quite drastically, to help hybrids. I'm not a fan of that.

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Dumbing down the game? No, thank you. SWTOR has tried that and it didn't end too well.

There are other means to buff hybrids, but they won't reach the effectiveness of pure builds without a complete redesign of the game system.
Examples are:
-buffing hybrid sets
-softcaps
-unlink dmg from max resources
-remove CP

Three of your four examples lower everyone's dps, two quite drastically, to help hybrids. I'm not a fan of that.

I haven't said that it's just like "implement X and everything will be great", of course some further rework would be required. That's why I wrote the "complete redesign of the game system" part.
I didn't even suggested that this should be done in any way. I just pointed out that it would help hybrids, because that is what OP asked for.
Do you have a solution for his question?

E:
As for removing the CP system: I think it's the bane of ESO. All it does is increasing the power creep, making the game even harder to balance, divert the PvP community and suck the life out of classes and abilites. Remove it and give classes their power back. Add a different kind of progression to the game.

Unlink dmg from resources: I'm split about this. I'm afraid it would just force people into spending every point into max health. I don't think this would be wise after all.

Softcaps used to be in place. Some people argument that this was a great time to play eso. Can't tell, wasn't around then.

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Yes, fortunately the OP and I are of the same mind.

Ha! Silly me

I get your step-by-step mentality. Actually I welcome this. But I don't believe that hybrids can be on par or even exceed pure builds dps without massive changes. The thing that will always hold them back is that they have to split their boni.

If it's not crit, it's max resources. Then it would be penetration. After that CP allocation. And all that even ignores the fact that pelinal's + one wpn/spell dmg set won't even get you near the amount of max wpn/spl dmg a pure build can obtain.

Only part I can see as neglectable is regen.

tunepunk wrote: »

I play around with hybrids form time to time for fun. Not to win any DPS races, but one benefit of hybrids are that you have two resource pools and when either one is getting low you can focus on the other.

I find that Hybrids are pretty ok in PvP (even if i don't play PVP much), as two pools can be very useful, and you have a wider variety of skills to choose from. They don't hit as hard, but sometimes skills are more for utility than damage.

Instead of merging crit chance, i would probably prefer if they added some set or skill to convert damage. Converting Magic damage (Magic/Frost/Shock/fire) etc to some (Physical/Bleed/Poison/Disiease). For example. Crystal shards doing physical damage and using the Weapon crit instead of spell crit. Twin Slashes, causing burn damage and critting on spell crit instead.

That would be much more fun and versatile.

That would be a really fun pair of crafted sets, one to turn physical to magic and vice versa. Whole new type of gameplay...hmmm.

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Yes, fortunately the OP and I are of the same mind.

Ha! Silly me

I get your step-by-step mentality. Actually I welcome this. But I don't believe that hybrids can be on par or even exceed pure builds dps without massive changes. The thing that will always hold them back is that they have to split their boni.

If it's not crit, it's max resources. Then it would be penetration. After that CP allocation. And all that even ignores the fact that pelinal's + one wpn/spell dmg set won't even get you near the amount of max wpn/spl dmg a pure build can obtain.

Only part I can see as neglectable is regen.

100% agree. I'm weird: I acknowledge that hybrids should do less damage in exchange for utility, but 10-15k seems too steep a difference for my taste.

Aisle9 wrote: »

The comedic value of seeing a Redguard Templar in Medium Armor wielding a Greatsword killing somone with Jesus Beam makes up for a lot.

Hybrids in PvP are already plenty viable.

PvE, there's no particular task or role that a hybrid could cover, and there's no reason (other than "fun") to use one. In long fights the lower resource pools are going to be a nightmare to sustain, therefore unifying crit ratings is not going to be enough, on its own. Synergies only restore your higher stat, you need to integrate heavy attacks on both bars.

The problem with hybrids is not the lack of crit rating. Hybrids have lower stat pools, but can stack ridiculously high weapon and spell damage, which is a formula for exceptional single target burst, but lackluster sustained damage.

This is the hybrid meta (atm) and it's not really compatible with dungeons/trials where burst is nice, but sustained damage is better.

IMO.

To be fair, the change is aimed at improving hybrid pve dps. After all, I've played hybrid in pvp and they can be effective and fun, if a bit harder. Crit matters a fair deal more in pve compared to pvp.

KISS

Go back to the vanilla design that allowed unique builds which contained overcharged penalties.

Remove all this magic and stamina skill stuff.
Go back to TES design

Now align the skills within the used weapon and apply logic to the soul stone charges.
The other skills would act as odd hand casting like....TES Skyrim and a mix of Oblivion and Morrowind

Makes things soooo much more logical and then give folks more quick swap slots for weapons

That’s a good move and makes things more fun


I keep telling y’all this isn’t or wasn’t initially ESO, it was DAoC 2 and whatever happened, happened but now we got ESO

Perhaps a noobish idea, perhaps I am missing why the stats are managed as they are.

Would it not make hybrids more viable if they simply added the stats together to complement stats? Since your stat allocation maxes at 64 regardless of how they are spent, instead of magicka builds getting benefits from only magicka points, and stamina the same, get benefits based on the total of magicka+stamina?

That way, you could build with both stamina and magicka skills, and still not be gimped by lower totals in max magicka or stamina, making hybrids not only more viable, but perhaps even on par with single stat builds that have become the norm out of necessity.

Again, I'm somewhat new and returning after being away a long while, perhaps I am missing something in regards to why the stat totals are distinctly split in the first place.

"Hybrid builds are viable"

How to make hybrid builds viable in one step.
-Make the enemies have different physical and magical resistances.

Mechanical acuity and the thief mundus stone are good options if you are looking for weapon and spell crit together (although I would not use both, since thief makes acuity weaker).

Flames of Oblivion provides 10% to each crit chance, which is one reason DK's make the best hybrids (IMO). Another option would be to use spell + weapon crit potions, but these unfortunately do not return any resources or give weapon or spell power.

I wouldn't be opposed to your idea, just pointing out there are a few decent options in game already for hybrid crit boosting. In general hybrids are pretty weak in PVE, so I would definitely support a buff.