I am a 5 year old. Can you please explain whats gonna happen to block cost.

CavalryPK · February 2018

My main and only pvp class is magblade. when it comes to other play styles or classes I have a sort of a good understanding but from the opponent perspective not actual mechanical perspective.

Shezzarrine · February 2018

Simply there is a basic cost to block, then come and sturdy traits (and every other percentage based block cost reduction), then the block cost enchantments are added which are a flat value. Because they are a flat value, coming last to the equation makes then reduce a much higher percentage of final block cost. What they are doing is reducing the initial block cost the adding the block cost enchantments FIRST then applying the percentage based reduction, this rediculous reducing the effectiveness of the block cost enchantments. If you don't use your enchantments it's accually going to be a buff and attacks will cost less to block.

bloodthirstyvampire · February 2018

You sure your old enough to play this game kid

phermitgb · February 2018

lay off - if he's actually 5 years old, his post is more coherent than some I've read, and at least it's an honest question

good on you OP - hope you understand the answer that Shezzarine gave you, because I only barely did and it involves math - namely, order of operations, which can be really confusing even when you're...well, my age.

Grabmoore · February 2018

bloodthirstyvampire wrote: »

You sure your old enough to play this game kid

What, if he is a 5 year old Vampire? Does this qualify him?

Short answer: It's a buff to you, if you don't play a PvE tank. Once again ZOS intended to nerf PvP tanking, but instead buffed it and nerfed it for PvE.... but, Hey! At least everyone is unhappy about this. Sounds fair.

Asardes · February 2018

Formula changed. See detailed description here:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/389032/pve-tanking-discussion-for-dragon-bones/

For people who haven't fully invested in block cost reduction is actually a buff since the base cost is reduced.

Rohamad_Ali · February 2018

Damage go BOOM BOOM . Block cost go EEEEK !

Bakkagami · February 2018

Grabmoore wrote: »

bloodthirstyvampire wrote: »

You sure your old enough to play this game kid

What, if he is a 5 year old Vampire? Does this qualify him?

Short answer: It's a buff to you, if you don't play a PvE tank. Once again ZOS intended to nerf PvP tanking, but instead buffed it and nerfed it for PvE.... but, Hey! At least everyone is unhappy about this. Sounds fair.

Builds that spec into a lot of block cost reductions got a nerf while builds that don't spec into it specifically got a small buff. PvP block tanks got nerfed along with PvE tanks since they have to spec into it. Any pvper that doesn't spec into blocking but blocks strategically got a buff as their base cost got lowered so who exactly, on the PvP side is upset? I can see PvE tanks being unhappy but lets be honest, tank sustain isn't incredibly difficult, even with the sustain changes. PvE stam dk tanking, mag sustain is significantly harder to maintain than stam even if you just hold block the entire time.

CavalryPK · February 2018

So does this mean that as a magblade my block cost would be lower ?

I am running zendran build. Wm lich and skoria. With 51 points in shadow ward. Destro staff.

pauli133 · February 2018

CavalryPK wrote: »

I am a 5 year old. Can you please explain whats gonna happen to block cost.

If you use block cost glyphs on your jewelry, your block cost will go UP, compared to now.

If you do not use block cost glyphs on your jewelry, your block cost will go DOWN, compared to now.

Using block cost glyphs will still yield a lower block cost than not using them.

That's it.

Spacemonkey · February 2018

It basically buffed everyone who didnt use block enchant - and people who use block enchants are people who are buitl to block a lot. (Tanks but then again not all tanks). This is a heavy nerf to any perma-blocker but also a nerf to normal tanks that simply built around lowered costs and regen instead of high stats.

AKA, its a buff to max stats builds that had nothing invested in cost returns or regen.
Its in most cases also a buff to hybrids.

klowdy1 · February 2018

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Damage go BOOM BOOM . Block cost go EEEEK !

Thank you for that one.

Colecovision · February 2018

CavalryPK wrote: »

So does this mean that as a magblade my block cost would be lower ?

I am running zendran build. Wm lich and skoria. With 51 points in shadow ward. Destro staff.

Block cost will be lower for you. I assume you have on damage boost or magika regen enchantments on your jewelry.

ol_BANK_lo · February 2018

I'm getting really tired of the continued nerf to sustain...I pve tank, so I care.

That said, I wonder if any of the min/max end-game trial tanks could chime in if they have run many of the trials on PTS, and what was their experience.

phileunderx2 · February 2018

You will soon be over blocks and move on to Legos and probably be hooked on them for life.

josiahva · February 2018

Bakkagami wrote: »

Grabmoore wrote: »

bloodthirstyvampire wrote: »

You sure your old enough to play this game kid

What, if he is a 5 year old Vampire? Does this qualify him?

Short answer: It's a buff to you, if you don't play a PvE tank. Once again ZOS intended to nerf PvP tanking, but instead buffed it and nerfed it for PvE.... but, Hey! At least everyone is unhappy about this. Sounds fair.

Builds that spec into a lot of block cost reductions got a nerf while builds that don't spec into it specifically got a small buff. PvP block tanks got nerfed along with PvE tanks since they have to spec into it. Any pvper that doesn't spec into blocking but blocks strategically got a buff as their base cost got lowered so who exactly, on the PvP side is upset? I can see PvE tanks being unhappy but lets be honest, tank sustain isn't incredibly difficult, even with the sustain changes. PvE stam dk tanking, mag sustain is significantly harder to maintain than stam even if you just hold block the entire time.

I am a PvE tank that doesn't spec into block cost reduction because I am not a perma-blocker, I only block when needed, otherwise my shields and resistances eat the damage(though I admit resource management is tricky in places where perma-blocking is required like The Warrior in Hel-Ra). I guess this change will buff my playstyle a bit, but I doubt I will even notice the difference honestly.

CavalryPK · February 2018

Asardes wrote: »

Formula changed. See detailed description here:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/389032/pve-tanking-discussion-for-dragon-bones/

For people who haven't fully invested in block cost reduction is actually a buff since the base cost is reduced.

from that post :

Block Cost = (( 2160 * (1-Shadow Ward) (1-Sturdy) (1-Fortress)) - Shield-Play) * (1-Defensive Posture)

Lowest possible block cost for this formula is 88 .

And here is the new one =

Block Cost = (( 1730 - Shield-Play ) * (1-Shadow Ward) (1-Sturdy) ( 1-Fortress)) * (1-Defensive Posture)

Lowest possible block cost for this formula is 336 .

Specifically my case:

I only have 51 points in shadow ward and no other block cost reductions.

my old block cost would be : Block Cost = (( 2160 * (1-Shadow Ward)) = (( 2160 * (1-0.21)) = 1706.4

my new block cost would be : Block Cost = (( 1730 * (1-Shadow Ward)) = (( 1730 * (1-0.21)) = 1366.7

if I did this right. that's 1706-1366 = 340 cheaper. can you confirm if shadow ward gives 21% reduction with 51 points ?

Thanks,

DeadlyRecluse · February 2018

It's basically a buff or negligible change to anyone who isn't running shieldplay enchants.

Malmai · February 2018

Hes trolling you account was made in 2013 which was closed beta... Murica

Cpt_Teemo · February 2018

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Damage go BOOM BOOM . Block cost go EEEEK !

ssewallb14_ESO · February 2018

In general it's a buff if you're running less than 2 block cost reduction enchants. With 2 it's a slight nerf, with 3 it's a fairly heavy nerf, especially if you're stacking block cost reduction from other sources. It's a solid change.

Potenza · February 2018

5 year olds don't use the word 'perspective'

Yolokin_Swagonborn · February 2018

You when your parents make a decision that doesn't make sense. You ask why and they say "Because I said so." Its kinda like that. Now go out and play MMOs are bad for you.

eso_lags · February 2018

CavalryPK wrote: »

My main and only pvp class is magblade. when it comes to other play styles or classes I have a sort of a good understanding but from the opponent perspective not actual mechanical perspective.

Ill try to explain. Basically if you are a tank (pve or pvp, doing your tanking duties) that uses like 3 block cost reduction glyphs you are getting nerfed. This is because block reduction glyphs are being nerfed in a way..

NOW THEN, if you are a perma block damage dealing DK or something, Block casting everything in PvP, you are getting a buff. This is because in most situations you can perma block without using block glyphs. And even if you had one glyph, what difference does it make? Because they dropped the cost of clock so if you used no glyphs its a buff, but if you have one just drop it and viola, you will probably be around where you were before this "nerf" to perma block DDs was put in...

Now ill admit i could be wrong, maybe something changed. but this is how i see it and i think its ASININE.

CavalryPK · February 2018

itzTJ wrote: »

CavalryPK wrote: »

My main and only pvp class is magblade. when it comes to other play styles or classes I have a sort of a good understanding but from the opponent perspective not actual mechanical perspective.

Ill try to explain. Basically if you are a tank (pve or pvp, doing your tanking duties) that uses like 3 block cost reduction glyphs you are getting nerfed. This is because block reduction glyphs are being nerfed in a way..

NOW THEN, if you are a perma block damage dealing DK or something, Block casting everything in PvP, you are getting a buff. This is because in most situations you can perma block without using block glyphs. And even if you had one glyph, what difference does it make? Because they dropped the cost of clock so if you used no glyphs its a buff, but if you have one just drop it and viola, you will probably be around where you were before this "nerf" to perma block DDs was put in...

Now ill admit i could be wrong, maybe something changed. but this is how i see it and i think its ASININE.

@itzTJ TJ

I am trying to digest the second paragraph. did you run the numbers based on the forumula ?

from this post: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/389032/pve-tanking-discussion-for-dragon-bones/

Block Cost = (( 2160 * (1-Shadow Ward) (1-Sturdy) (1-Fortress)) - Shield-Play) * (1-Defensive Posture)

Lowest possible block cost for this formula is 88 .

And here is the new one =

Block Cost = (( 1730 - Shield-Play ) * (1-Shadow Ward) (1-Sturdy) ( 1-Fortress)) * (1-Defensive Posture)

Lowest possible block cost for this formula is 336 .

Tasear · February 2018

It was a balancing effort for tanks who don't perm a block. You won't see changes as long you don't use shield play enchantments.

eso_lags · February 2018

CavalryPK wrote: »

itzTJ wrote: »

CavalryPK wrote: »

My main and only pvp class is magblade. when it comes to other play styles or classes I have a sort of a good understanding but from the opponent perspective not actual mechanical perspective.

Ill try to explain. Basically if you are a tank (pve or pvp, doing your tanking duties) that uses like 3 block cost reduction glyphs you are getting nerfed. This is because block reduction glyphs are being nerfed in a way..

NOW THEN, if you are a perma block damage dealing DK or something, Block casting everything in PvP, you are getting a buff. This is because in most situations you can perma block without using block glyphs. And even if you had one glyph, what difference does it make? Because they dropped the cost of clock so if you used no glyphs its a buff, but if you have one just drop it and viola, you will probably be around where you were before this "nerf" to perma block DDs was put in...

Now ill admit i could be wrong, maybe something changed. but this is how i see it and i think its ASININE.

@itzTJ TJ

I am trying to digest the second paragraph. did you run the numbers based on the forumula ?

from this post: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/389032/pve-tanking-discussion-for-dragon-bones/

Block Cost = (( 2160 * (1-Shadow Ward) (1-Sturdy) (1-Fortress)) - Shield-Play) * (1-Defensive Posture)

Lowest possible block cost for this formula is 88 .

And here is the new one =

Block Cost = (( 1730 - Shield-Play ) * (1-Shadow Ward) (1-Sturdy) ( 1-Fortress)) * (1-Defensive Posture)

Lowest possible block cost for this formula is 336 .

No i didnt run any numbers. Im just saying, from my point of view, this is how im taking it. So maybe you have a better understanding than i do.

Either way, let me explain the second paragraph a bit.

If im a perma blocking, damage dealing, mag DK right now and i dont run ANY block cost reduction glyphs on my jewelry i am getting a buff. Because (from what i understand) the only thing getting NERFED is block reduction glyphs (or the the way they are deducted from the cost of blocking).... Block is 2160 now, after the update it will be 1730, so no glyphs = a buff for the perma blockers that dont use glyphs...

Also, from MY experience, its about 50-50 between mag dks that use no block glyphs and mag dks that use one. Obv some players use more block glyphs but i haven't talked to many..

Now again, my speculation would be this. If im running ONE block reduction glyph im getting a bit of a nerf in dragon bones. So why not just swap that glyph for a damage or recov glyph since the overall cost of block is going down a bit? Im sure it will still be higher than it is right now, but if i remove that block glyph now I THINK i would be losing more.

To sum it all up.... I thought by the title you just wanted a simple way of explaining it, without the numbers. You obviously know the numbers. And i am only talking from the perspective of a perma blocking mag DK because i think that its one of the main reasons this nerf has happened (and its very common).

I know mag plars and other classes perma block. This is also why i said pve tanks are going to take the biggest hit from this and perma block DKs/other perma blockers with NO block glyphs are probably getting a buff..

Bottom line is that im no expert on it but from my perspective it seems like they are nerfing tanks more, and maybe nerfing perma block (damage dealing) builds a little.. But you probably know more about it, if you are using a legit formula, so if you do then maybe you can enlighten me. Because from where im sitting it just seems like they nerfed legit tanks and buffed perma blocking damage dealers that dont need block glyphs.

*** also when i say perma block i am referring to players that are built for full damage but will just block cast all of their damage dealing skills. This is a pvp thing. And again ive seen this done with ZERO block glyphs and with one.***

Banana · February 2018

When you hold block you use more stamina than before

Didgerion · February 2018

CavalryPK wrote: »

I am a 5 year old. Can you please explain whats gonna happen to block cost.

Now listen carefully son!
Remember the old times when you used to block and still remain sitting on your chair? Now those times are gone!
And don't look at the chair - it has nothing to do with it!

Zbigb4life · February 2018

You shouldn't play this game

CavalryPK · February 2018

itzTJ wrote: »

CavalryPK wrote: »

itzTJ wrote: »

CavalryPK wrote: »

My main and only pvp class is magblade. when it comes to other play styles or classes I have a sort of a good understanding but from the opponent perspective not actual mechanical perspective.

Ill try to explain. Basically if you are a tank (pve or pvp, doing your tanking duties) that uses like 3 block cost reduction glyphs you are getting nerfed. This is because block reduction glyphs are being nerfed in a way..

NOW THEN, if you are a perma block damage dealing DK or something, Block casting everything in PvP, you are getting a buff. This is because in most situations you can perma block without using block glyphs. And even if you had one glyph, what difference does it make? Because they dropped the cost of clock so if you used no glyphs its a buff, but if you have one just drop it and viola, you will probably be around where you were before this "nerf" to perma block DDs was put in...

Now ill admit i could be wrong, maybe something changed. but this is how i see it and i think its ASININE.

@itzTJ TJ

I am trying to digest the second paragraph. did you run the numbers based on the forumula ?

from this post: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/389032/pve-tanking-discussion-for-dragon-bones/

Block Cost = (( 2160 * (1-Shadow Ward) (1-Sturdy) (1-Fortress)) - Shield-Play) * (1-Defensive Posture)

Lowest possible block cost for this formula is 88 .

And here is the new one =

Block Cost = (( 1730 - Shield-Play ) * (1-Shadow Ward) (1-Sturdy) ( 1-Fortress)) * (1-Defensive Posture)

Lowest possible block cost for this formula is 336 .

No i didnt run any numbers. Im just saying, from my point of view, this is how im taking it. So maybe you have a better understanding than i do.

Either way, let me explain the second paragraph a bit.

If im a perma blocking, damage dealing, mag DK right now and i dont run ANY block cost reduction glyphs on my jewelry i am getting a buff. Because (from what i understand) the only thing getting NERFED is block reduction glyphs (or the the way they are deducted from the cost of blocking).... Block is 2160 now, after the update it will be 1730, so no glyphs = a buff for the perma blockers that dont use glyphs...

Also, from MY experience, its about 50-50 between mag dks that use no block glyphs and mag dks that use one. Obv some players use more block glyphs but i haven't talked to many..

Now again, my speculation would be this. If im running ONE block reduction glyph im getting a bit of a nerf in dragon bones. So why not just swap that glyph for a damage or recov glyph since the overall cost of block is going down a bit? Im sure it will still be higher than it is right now, but if i remove that block glyph now I THINK i would be losing more.

To sum it all up.... I thought by the title you just wanted a simple way of explaining it, without the numbers. You obviously know the numbers. And i am only talking from the perspective of a perma blocking mag DK because i think that its one of the main reasons this nerf has happened (and its very common).

I know mag plars and other classes perma block. This is also why i said pve tanks are going to take the biggest hit from this and perma block DKs/other perma blockers with NO block glyphs are probably getting a buff..

Bottom line is that im no expert on it but from my perspective it seems like they are nerfing tanks more, and maybe nerfing perma block (damage dealing) builds a little.. But you probably know more about it, if you are using a legit formula, so if you do then maybe you can enlighten me. Because from where im sitting it just seems like they nerfed legit tanks and buffed perma blocking damage dealers that dont need block glyphs.

*** also when i say perma block i am referring to players that are built for full damage but will just block cast all of their damage dealing skills. This is a pvp thing. And again ive seen this done with ZERO block glyphs and with one.***

Thanks for clarifying. I guess I was a little confused when you said permablock and no block cost reduction in once sentence. I was assuming since block cost has increased you should net be able to perma block any more. But now I get what you are saying.