Getting high(est) Max Magicka?

Raudgrani · February 2018

I'm a typical "stam player", who started building a magblade recently. I'm not at all familiar with means to achieve high max magicka, and would love to have some input to how to get these ridiculous numbers. People speak of "+50k magicka", is that a bit like the DPS numbers many people speak of, like at least a few thousands higher than which is really is true?

Really short version, my toon is a Dunmer/vampire/nightblade. Dual Wield and Destro or Resto. I run Necropotence and Spinners at the moment, Necro is all golded out (jewelry and weapons), Spinner's is all yet purple. All Max Magicka enchantments, all divines on small parts, all infused on large parts. No undaunted passives yet. Running Shadowrend or Molag kena set depending on the circumstances. 690 Champion points, and I run Witchmother's Potent Brew due to the sustain, as it's merely around like 2100 in Cyrodiil.
I have lvl10 Mages guild, and sometimes I have Meteor/Magelight slotted, on the other bar I run Structured Entropy.

I can't come to think of much more factors to bring magicka up. I could of course wear like two different monster set pieces for like 2k more magicka, but I still feel there's something missing to get to those 50k numbers. With Necro active etc,, I'm at something like 42 right now. It's not that I feel it's not enough (will be a bit higher once this one is fully built), I'm more like curious about how the heck they do that?

Knootewoot · February 2018

Well, i run julianos and warmaiden and with that alone i have 38k if i use foods like witchmothers brew.

You could try to run necro+schagglebreaker or when using inferno staff necro+destruction mastery

Beardimus · February 2018

Not like DPS at all its easy doable, 60k is reachable if you fully go for it. . Just stack all sets that give magika!

Green food, undaunted passives, over 300CP assigned, 2x 1pc max magika MH, all gold, mage mundus, altmer etc etc

Sets like necro or rest mastery, ancient grace, will power,sets with the 2-3pc bonus max magika.

Going that high is extreme and will leave you lacking in other areas so its quite niche

Asardes · February 2018

I prefer more balanced builds myself that have 38-45K maximum magicka, 3-3.5K spell damage and 40-55% spell critical with 1.5-1.8K recovery. People say that critical is not important in PvP but you need something like 6.6K critical resistance to fully mitigate bonus damage from critical hits and most people run around with 1.8-2.5K critical resistance (full impen with maybe some CP in Resistant) so 60-75% of your critical hit bonus will still get trough and do a lot of damage if the base damage is high (ex. Assassin's Will). Also Nightblades have Hemorrhage passive that adds 10% to critical hits, so it's worth investing there. Also note that heavy and light attacks scale mostly on your spell damage, so stacking maximum magicka will not really boost their damage, and you'll weave those with every skill to proc Assassin's Will.

Koensol · February 2018

Beardimus wrote: »

Not like DPS at all its easy doable, 60k is reachable if you fully go for it. . Just stack all sets that give magika!

Green food, undaunted passives, over 300CP assigned, 2x 1pc max magika MH, all gold, mage mundus, altmer etc etc

Sets like necro or rest mastery, ancient grace, will power,sets with the 2-3pc bonus max magika.

Going that high is extreme and will leave you lacking in other areas so its quite niche

Quite niche indeed. I have dueled against a magwarden that used such setup. Make 1 mistake and its RIP, but if you kite well and cc you will quickly run then out of resources at which point they die. These builds are only good for 1 shot burst gameplay in groups.

Raudgrani · February 2018

Yeah, I know I could use some green food with really high magicka, or some blue "bi-food" for magicka. But I think I'm stretching the limits for the viability of the build if I do that, as it's already a "squishblade" deluxe. As soon as I can't hide/line of sight or when annulment/double take drops when I can't, so do I - pretty much at least.

Thanks for the set suggestions, being a more stamina player, I have little to no knowledge by heart on good magicka sets.

Asardes · February 2018

I would recommend running 5L/1M/1H with or 5L/0M/2H or even 6L/0M/1H with full Undaunted passives and Whichmother's Potent Brew and Apprentice mundus for maximum effectiveness. Running green food is a no-no since you will have so little health you won't be able to survive.

Maulkin · February 2018

High elf NB in Shackle/Necro/Domi 5-1-1, with tri-stat food, magicka enchants, Mage mundus and magelight on the bar.... I believe that set up puts you on ~55k max magicka. And with a couple of regen glyphs, a cost redux and siphoning attacks your sustain is absolutely fine too. It’s only your spell damage that will be quite low.

DeadlyRecluse · February 2018

Stacking your percentage amps from mages guild skills on one bar will push it up a bit, too. Put entropy on that frontbar with inner light instead of backbarring it, and you'll get a bit of a boost. You can slot meteor frontbar too, for another few % points, but that's usually not ideal.

Undaunted passives make a difference, even if you are running 7light or 6-1 or 5-2 (obviously most notable with 5-1-1).

Raudgrani · February 2018

Maulkin wrote: »

High elf NB in Shackle/Necro/Domi 5-1-1, with tri-stat food, magicka enchants, Mage mundus and magelight on the bar.... I believe that set up puts you on ~55k max magicka. And with a couple of regen glyphs, a cost redux and siphoning attacks your sustain is absolutely fine too. It’s only your spell damage that will be quite low.

I'm this high max stat kind of guy (not to sacrificing by running some green food etc., but within what's reasonable), and I kind of dislike proc sets - at least if you are dependent on it to do so. I use Necropotence on this build, but that's about where my limits go, I should be able to "proc it" as I want it. That Shadowrend helps doing so now and then with this build, is just a bonus. I started using it one piece because of the magicka recovery, and realized I had the other piece too - and kind of liked it.

I also like this high stamina/magicka = higher damage, and I use the same logic with my stamblade. I first look to max stats, then recovery and damage numbers, I rarely look at resistances - if it's not a tank sort of build, of course. :-)
My stamblade has like 43k stamina, and a self buffed weapon damage on 3900'ish (absolutely no proc sets and stuff). It hits like a "I-don't-know-what" - 2H heavy attack + light attack from crouch/stealth is enough to kill quite a few players. If not - a couple of Executioners will usually sort it out. I hope to reach about the same effect with my magblade, one way or another.

Raudgrani · February 2018

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Stacking your percentage amps from mages guild skills on one bar will push it up a bit, too. Put entropy on that frontbar with inner light instead of backbarring it, and you'll get a bit of a boost. You can slot meteor frontbar too, for another few % points, but that's usually not ideal.

Undaunted passives make a difference, even if you are running 7light or 6-1 or 5-2 (obviously most notable with 5-1-1).

I'll see if I can fit Entropy on the frontbar instead. I've given meteor on frontbar a thought, but I like this melee magblade approach, so I'll see if I'll rethink that.

What medium sets do we have btw., that could work well on a magblade? Only one I know spontaneously is Stygian, and I think I could live without that one. I have Way of Air, at least jewelry, waist and hand pieces, maybe a sword.

DeadlyRecluse · February 2018

Raudgrani wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Stacking your percentage amps from mages guild skills on one bar will push it up a bit, too. Put entropy on that frontbar with inner light instead of backbarring it, and you'll get a bit of a boost. You can slot meteor frontbar too, for another few % points, but that's usually not ideal.

Undaunted passives make a difference, even if you are running 7light or 6-1 or 5-2 (obviously most notable with 5-1-1).

I'll see if I can fit Entropy on the frontbar instead. I've given meteor on frontbar a thought, but I like this melee magblade approach, so I'll see if I'll rethink that.

What medium sets do we have btw., that could work well on a magblade? Only one I know spontaneously is Stygian, and I think I could live without that one.

Do you mean for getting 5-1-1? It's easiest, imo, to get 5-1-1 on light armor builds by using a medium monster shoulder and a heavy monster helm. Then that gear can carry over to other light armor setups without needing to refarm or recraft too much.

Raudgrani · February 2018

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Raudgrani wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Stacking your percentage amps from mages guild skills on one bar will push it up a bit, too. Put entropy on that frontbar with inner light instead of backbarring it, and you'll get a bit of a boost. You can slot meteor frontbar too, for another few % points, but that's usually not ideal.

Undaunted passives make a difference, even if you are running 7light or 6-1 or 5-2 (obviously most notable with 5-1-1).

I'll see if I can fit Entropy on the frontbar instead. I've given meteor on frontbar a thought, but I like this melee magblade approach, so I'll see if I'll rethink that.

What medium sets do we have btw., that could work well on a magblade? Only one I know spontaneously is Stygian, and I think I could live without that one.

Do you mean for getting 5-1-1? It's easiest, imo, to get 5-1-1 on light armor builds by using a medium monster shoulder and a heavy monster helm. Then that gear can carry over to other light armor setups without needing to refarm or recraft too much.

Good idea, I have some medium Domihaus shoulder that could come in handy. A little more stamina wouldn't hurt either.

Asardes · February 2018

One of the best back bar sets is Shroud of the Lich with a resto staff. When you're low on magicka simply swap to back bar, cast a cheap skill or Healing Ward to fall under 33% and proc it then move on front bar. If you pop a potion on top of that you can refill your whole magicka pool in ~10s.

Raudgrani · February 2018

Asardes wrote: »

One of the best back bar sets is Shroud of the Lich with a resto staff. When you're low on magicka simply swap to back bar, cast a cheap skill or Healing Ward to fall under 33% and proc it then move on front bar. If you pop a potion on top of that you can refill your whole magicka pool in ~10s.

I will keep going with The Atronach for a while. Thing is: my Magicka recovery is like 2300 now with this Cyrodiil bonus ("after capturing..."), and I haven't ever been even anywhere near close to running out of Magicka. Every time I peek at my magicka level, it's not even half gone - no matter how much I spam Annulment, Cloak, Double Take and any kind of offensive abilities. Then I'll try to use The Apprentice and see if I can still sustain hahaha.... It would be a pretty ridiculous increase in Spell Damage, well over 4k it seems.

Anyway, I know the Lich is a good suggestion, not that I've tried it - but I've seen it being used in several build videos etc. It's quite powerful really.

Asardes · February 2018

Raudgrani wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

One of the best back bar sets is Shroud of the Lich with a resto staff. When you're low on magicka simply swap to back bar, cast a cheap skill or Healing Ward to fall under 33% and proc it then move on front bar. If you pop a potion on top of that you can refill your whole magicka pool in ~10s.

I will keep going with The Atronach for a while. Thing is: my Magicka recovery is like 2300 now with this Cyrodiil bonus ("after capturing..."), and I haven't ever been even anywhere near close to running out of Magicka. Every time I peek at my magicka level, it's not even half gone - no matter how much I spam Annulment, Cloak, Double Take and any kind of offensive abilities. Then I'll try to use The Apprentice and see if I can still sustain hahaha.... It would be a pretty ridiculous increase in Spell Damage, well over 4k it seems.

Anyway, I know the Lich is a good suggestion, not that I've tried it - but I've seen it being used in several build videos etc. It's quite powerful really.

I rock 3.7K outside Cyrodiil on my Templar, 5 Julianos 5 Amberplasm 2 Skoria on the 2W bar fully buffed w minor & major sorcery. On the Staff bar it's something like 3.4K. I guess you can hit close to 4K if you get enemy scroll bonus and such.

Raudgrani · February 2018

Asardes wrote: »

Raudgrani wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

One of the best back bar sets is Shroud of the Lich with a resto staff. When you're low on magicka simply swap to back bar, cast a cheap skill or Healing Ward to fall under 33% and proc it then move on front bar. If you pop a potion on top of that you can refill your whole magicka pool in ~10s.

I will keep going with The Atronach for a while. Thing is: my Magicka recovery is like 2300 now with this Cyrodiil bonus ("after capturing..."), and I haven't ever been even anywhere near close to running out of Magicka. Every time I peek at my magicka level, it's not even half gone - no matter how much I spam Annulment, Cloak, Double Take and any kind of offensive abilities. Then I'll try to use The Apprentice and see if I can still sustain hahaha.... It would be a pretty ridiculous increase in Spell Damage, well over 4k it seems.

Anyway, I know the Lich is a good suggestion, not that I've tried it - but I've seen it being used in several build videos etc. It's quite powerful really.

I rock 3.7K outside Cyrodiil on my Templar, 5 Julianos 5 Amberplasm 2 Skoria on the 2W bar fully buffed w minor & major sorcery. On the Staff bar it's something like 3.4K. I guess you can hit close to 4K if you get enemy scroll bonus and such.

I tend to need a pretty low recovery, both on Stamina and Magicka characters. So I'll experiment and see how low I can go before I need some more, it's probably a waste of "damage potential" to run around with like 60-80% resources most of the time. Unless I'm inflicted with some resource cost poisons, or unless I'm pressed really hard, I never have any sustain problems. :-)

Jsmalls · February 2018

Didn't read the comments so idk if someone posted this but as a NB you have it the easiest to hit absurd Max magicka numbers. For Maximum damage run:
5 spinner (infused inferno front bar), 5 necropotence, and 1 domihaus (you lose 5/1/1 undaunted because you can only do 6/1) but running a 5th piece for necro or spinner is way more valuable than 5/1/1. Dual stat health and magicka food (you'll still have close to 12k stamina for to domihaus).

Have mage light, swallow soul, and meteor front bar, and shadow image back bar (which procs necropotence) you will have 60k+ on your front bar with mage mundus. Rest is customizable. Enjoy!

Edit: Actually swapping the 5th piece of spinner for a 2nd Max magicka monster would be trading 3500 penetration for 2500 magicka so it's debatable!

DoctorESO · February 2018

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Raudgrani · February 2018

Jsmalls wrote: »

Didn't read the comments so idk if someone posted this but as a NB you have it the easiest to hit absurd Max magicka numbers. For Maximum damage run:
5 spinner (infused inferno front bar), 5 necropotence, and 1 domihaus (you lose 5/1/1 undaunted because you can only do 6/1) but running a 5th piece for necro or spinner is way more valuable than 5/1/1. Dual stat health and magicka food (you'll still have close to 12k stamina for to domihaus).

Have mage light, swallow soul, and meteor front bar, and shadow image back bar (which procs necropotence) you will have 60k+ on your front bar with mage mundus. Rest is customizable. Enjoy!

Edit: Actually swapping the 5th piece of spinner for a 2nd Max magicka monster would be trading 3500 penetration for 2500 magicka so it's debatable!

Thanks for advice! As you maybe saw, that's pretty much what I run now, but I use Molag Kena at the moment, or Shadowrend. Then either The Atronach or Apprentice mundus respectively. Haven't really decided if I want a higher over all damage, or if I want to be able of kicking in psycho mode. Right now, I can drop familiar pretty good enemies with like Entropy/Crippling Grasp/Swallow Soul and a Lotus Fan pretty easily. Shooting Star hits wonderfully hard too.

It's a pretty good build, not only for damage. I did 1vX a big bunch of DC tonight, I died alright - but I dropped several of them, and they had to whack me pretty good before I went down. If I didn't forget to switch from Ballistas to Tripot beforehand, things might have gone better. ;-)
Dampen Magick and Healing Ward is pretty op too. I never really had any luck with that on any magicka toon before.

Subversus · February 2018

I used to run a max mag stacking build (way back when mundus stones had just been buffed) for a few patches on my magblade main.

I had 2 max mag undaunted pieces (that I was swapping for 2p infernal when I felt like it), necro, ancient grace jewelry, master staff and vMA resto backbar. I also ran mag mundus. The monster pieces were 1h/1m and armor was 5 light for a 5-1-1 undaunted bonus. I also had hp/mag food and 1 recovery glyph (2 spell dmg).

My frontbar was magelight, swallow soul, dampen, merciless, flame reach and meteor. Backbar was syphoning attacks, cripple, heal ward, cloak, shade with tether as an ulti.

Might work this patch too, but you'd probably have to swap the bars out a bit I guess.

Lord-Otto · February 2018

(o_o)^
No Impale?

Subversus · February 2018

Lord-Otto wrote: »

(o_o)^
No Impale?

I don't run impale on any of my magblade builds. And especially on that one, what would I even drop for impale?