POLL: Would you be in favor of adding frost/cold damage to the Nord racial passives?

TheShadowScout · January 2018

No

ANGEL_BtVS wrote: »

And just living near volcanoes shouldn't make the Dunmer suddenly pyromancers...

No, that one wouldn't.
Otherwise the dunmer living in vvardenfell and stonefalls would be the only ones with a flame talent, right?
You do know they also live in deshaan, bal foyen, the telvanni peninsula and port telvannis, the dres district and taer, the velothi highlands and blacklight, necrom... (well, they are mostly buried in necrom I suppose...)

The "elven blood" magic affinity changing into fire affinity for the dark elves is faaaarrr more likely a side effect of azuras curse turning the chimer into dunmer, I daresay! I mean... read how that is usualy described in the lore "Skin turned ashen, Eyes turned fire..." - you see my point, yes?

ANGEL_BtVS wrote: »

Also, as I mentioned previously, the set Ysgramor's Birthright is a Nord set which is magicka-based and provides a bonus to cold damage.

And I have absolutely no problem with that.
Nord mages and shamans enjoying ice magic -does- make a great deal of sense. As does them making gear to support this.

ANGEL_BtVS wrote: »

Ice Furnace is another Nord set which can deal incremental flame damage when proc'd by dealing frost damage...

Funny, I recall Ice Furnance being a redguard design back when I had it dropped in my lap... I suppose they changed that since then, huh? Seems more fitting this way anyhow...

Be that as it may, it still makes a lot of sense for nords to put some ice magic into their stuff. Or ice magic associated effects.

It just makes -no- sense for nords as a race to have any sort of magic affinity, ice magic or otherwise! None at all.

Since - as I outlined - magic afficity is generally associated with elf blood in ESO lore!

It would make sense for Snow Elves. It might make sense for breton-related and thus partially elf-blooded Reachmen. But not for human-as-can-be Nords!

Jade1986 wrote: »

Yes, there are exceptions, but traditionally they are not adept in magic generally.

aliyavana wrote: »

He is an exception to the rule

...and THAT makes him so extra special!

Shalidor is not the strongest mage. But you can barely cast a fireball into the history of magic at nirn without hitting and annoying a dozend powerful elf mages. Who'd care to learn their names, when there are so many, and most of them are content to sit on their butts and gloat about how great they are and how noble a linegage they come from. That one uppity nord who actually -managed- to become a great mage on the other hand... that one IS remembered!

Think about it. History remembers those who do something -exceptional- not those who just are one more of the crowd. And that's why Shalidor is more memorable then for example Telencar the Artificer or Varnus Galerion...

...but that does not make him a representative of general nord culture. (Unfortunately for all the nordic lovers, Norgred Hardhelm would come much, much closer to that...

)

ANGEL_BtVS · January 2018

Yes

Right, and you the player-character should be the biggest exception to the rule if ever there was one. I mean, you are only the Savior of Nirn, the Enemy of Coldharbour, the Tamriel Hero, the Silencer, the Master Thief... Oh, and let's not forget the Master Wizard. Except not really, I guess. Honestly, I'd prefer there were no racial passives at all, just a tree you can choose from - primarily because of what I stated, that we should all be an exception to the rule. But given the current state, I still think Nords should have cold/frost damage - maybe it's via a stamina build if that is at all possible. Elemental damage should be completely separate from spell damage anyway (e.g., a cold glyph axe should be able to do just as much cold damage as a frost stave inclusive of passives).

SilverIce58 · January 2018

Yes

aliyavana wrote: »

ANGEL_BtVS wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Nords are traditionally a melee race who are against magic.....

Arch-mage Shalidor (a Nord)

Also, let's take a look at the set Ysgramor's Birthright (King Ysgramor is one of the most famous of all Nords). This set is in Nord style, magicka-based, and cold/frost based):

He is an exception to the rule

College of Winterhold is Nordic. Ysgramor's 500 Companions had plenty of mages, though that's not what he called them, but they did use magic.

beetleklee · January 2018

Yes

They would first need to make frost DPS a viable alternative to lightning/flame. As it stands right now, frost is garbage DPS and frost heavy attacks draw aggro.

It would definitely make them more unique to have frost passive for sure, instead of a worse Imperial/Redguard like they are now.

Osteos · January 2018

I would like to see Nords get a buff to their racial passives but as other have said cold/frost damage wouldn't be very helpful.

Jade1986 · January 2018

No

SilverIce58 wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

ANGEL_BtVS wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Nords are traditionally a melee race who are against magic.....

Arch-mage Shalidor (a Nord)

Also, let's take a look at the set Ysgramor's Birthright (King Ysgramor is one of the most famous of all Nords). This set is in Nord style, magicka-based, and cold/frost based):

He is an exception to the rule

College of Winterhold is Nordic. Ysgramor's 500 Companions had plenty of mages, though that's not what he called them, but they did use magic.

Its still an exception to the rule.

Leogon · January 2018

No

Stam recovery, stam cost reduction, more max stam or something like more physical damage.

SilverIce58 · January 2018

Yes

Jade1986 wrote: »

SilverIce58 wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

ANGEL_BtVS wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Nords are traditionally a melee race who are against magic.....

Arch-mage Shalidor (a Nord)

Also, let's take a look at the set Ysgramor's Birthright (King Ysgramor is one of the most famous of all Nords). This set is in Nord style, magicka-based, and cold/frost based):

He is an exception to the rule

College of Winterhold is Nordic. Ysgramor's 500 Companions had plenty of mages, though that's not what he called them, but they did use magic.

Its still an exception to the rule.

So everytime someone makes a comment about how this nord or that nord used magic, it's an exception. Because it's only 5% of the population and not 95%.

Mettaricana · January 2018

Yes

Wpuldgive nords a lil more boost into dps and frost tanking options if zos ever revisits the frost tank options like they lied about doing

Ermiq · January 2018

Yes

Holy crap. How could I have missed the button? I was going to vote "No" actually...

Don't look at that red sign up there. It's "No".
So, as I said, I voted "No", sorry.
I agree that Nord race needs a buff for sure, but magic based damage is not about Nords.
Thanks @TheShadowScout who said everything about it. Although there are Nord mages in TES lore, any magical talent is not a common thing for Nord race. Giving all Nords inborn magic talents makes no sense from the lore perspective.

ANGEL_BtVS · January 2018

Yes

Osteos wrote: »

I would like to see Nords get a buff to their racial passives but as other have said cold/frost damage wouldn't be very helpful.

It could be if it was done right. My biggest problem with people suggesting changes to make Nords stronger tanks is that they'd still only have one role. Argonians are strong tanks and healers, Imperials are strong tanks and make good stam dd's. I'd hate to see Nords be only good tanks. What I like about trying to figure out a way to add meaningful cold damage to Nords is that it would be something unique and new to the game, versus just adding another tank or stam dps to the fold.

Kolzki · January 2018

No

Give them ultimate gain bonus instead. Fus-ro-warhorn!

Ermiq · January 2018

Yes

SilverIce58 wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

ANGEL_BtVS wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Nords are traditionally a melee race who are against magic.....

Arch-mage Shalidor (a Nord)

Also, let's take a look at the set Ysgramor's Birthright (King Ysgramor is one of the most famous of all Nords). This set is in Nord style, magicka-based, and cold/frost based):

He is an exception to the rule

College of Winterhold is Nordic. Ysgramor's 500 Companions had plenty of mages, though that's not what he called them, but they did use magic.

Did someone say that Nords can't use magic? Of course they can. But magic is not inborn talent for humans in TES lore.
Every elf has a magic talents, Bretons have it as well because they're half elf-blood. Learn magic is easier for elves because of their native talents (racial passives in the game), their elf blood. For men it's not a common thing.
You can meet tons of Nords telling you that learn magic is quite hard. You'll never meet a mer saying such things.

Osteos · January 2018

@ANGEL_BtVS I agree with you and I am glad you are bringing attention to Nords.

If they moved the ice staff taunt off of the heavy attack and put it on whatever the other morph of Ele Drain is or even destructive clench/reach it would make Ice staves a dps choice again. Though it would still need something to compete with Lightning and Infernos staves damage bonuses.

Then giving Nords a magicka bonus and a bonus to frost damage would make them a more viable dps option to play.