Chrlynsch wrote: »

Might start running it again to deal with wardens quicker...

Troll king, MA, and Shieldbreaker. While in werewolf it can get really scary, as it eats through most classes safety nets...

Gnozo wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

A quick forum search on shield breaker will bring up hundreds if not thousands of comments about all of the working counters to shield breaker. Use them or don't use them, you have choices.

I can´t find anything to counter if you are solo or in a smal group without a healbot. On a sorc, your healing comes from healing ward, wich is a shield and the initial heal from it is like 1-2k. So you can´t outheal it. You can use dark deal wich also heals but for example. If you are fighting 2 player solo. 1 is using shieldbreaker.

1. You need your shield against the other dude who focus you.
2. When you use shield you get INSANE dmg from the shieldbreaker user.

This is basicly rip. And it should not be like this. PvP should be a place where the skill and only the skill defines if you win or not. Not by some bs sets that do the dmg for you like shieldbreaker, skoria, selene, velidreth and the upcoming zaan.

I just find it frustrating that ppl who don´t want to learn the game and the mechanics are giving these kind of sets to compensate. Its like a shooter where ppl who don´t want to learn get a free aimbot so they only need to press fire.

ESO´s PvP is dominated by zergs and Zenimax just removing any counterplay to zergs. From my exp every zerg has a shieldbreaker, 20+ earthgores or how this monster set is called and 15 destro ultimates.

Try to burst a zerg? Nah, they have earthgore wich will save them all
Kite a zerg? Nah they have shieldbreaker
Tank a Zerg? Nah they have unblockable destro

I can go on at this forever cause in the current state of the game + the latency in prime time there is no competitve pvp wich is just sad for this great game with really good combat system.

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

i use shield breaker, i dont see a problem with it. i enjoy using it, does fair damage sometimes. most of the time it does not do alot of damage though.

Feanor wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

i use shield breaker, i dont see a problem with it. i enjoy using it, does fair damage sometimes. most of the time it does not do alot of damage though.

Am I the only one who finds the contradictions in these SB defense postings funny?

1. There is nothing wrong with the set.
2. It doesn’t do a lot of damage most time.
3. I totally enjoy it.

Seriously. Yes, you enjoy it, and that’s the only true statement in postings like these. You enjoy it because it wrecks Sorcs. Otherwise you wouldn’t equip it.

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

Hey guys,

i know this has been discussed many times but just look this:



This is 100% not balanced. Doing 2.1k dmg with shields up JUST by spamming light attacks with bow or inferno staff is really really not balanced. Put a CD on it or just make it proc only on heavy attacks. This requires 0 skill and is completly destroying magicka sorc cause we need the shields to stay alive. Rework Shieldbreaker. At its current state its just broken.

And before any of the comments comes like "remove shield stack" "put CD on shields". It requires actually a lot of work and practice to be good at shieldstacking and if you cant kill a sorc who is decent at shieldstacking you should probably rethink your build and playstyle.

Magicka Sorc is a class wich needs to be practiced a lot to be good at and its just bs that this no brain counter even exist in this game. Zenimax, since you like nerf pls take a look at shieldbreaker and these pictues i postet. This is just broken

Seems like many people are already re-thinking their build and using shield-breaker.

You can't be mad because there is a hard counter to your play-style. Using this set is a trade-off because it puts you at a direct disadvantage when fighting any target who does not use damage shields. That's balanced. You can be somewhat effective against everything or super effective against one specific thing. That creates diversity when people choose to build to counter against other builds.

this ^

Derra wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

Hey guys,

i know this has been discussed many times but just look this:



This is 100% not balanced. Doing 2.1k dmg with shields up JUST by spamming light attacks with bow or inferno staff is really really not balanced. Put a CD on it or just make it proc only on heavy attacks. This requires 0 skill and is completly destroying magicka sorc cause we need the shields to stay alive. Rework Shieldbreaker. At its current state its just broken.

And before any of the comments comes like "remove shield stack" "put CD on shields". It requires actually a lot of work and practice to be good at shieldstacking and if you cant kill a sorc who is decent at shieldstacking you should probably rethink your build and playstyle.

Magicka Sorc is a class wich needs to be practiced a lot to be good at and its just bs that this no brain counter even exist in this game. Zenimax, since you like nerf pls take a look at shieldbreaker and these pictues i postet. This is just broken

Seems like many people are already re-thinking their build and using shield-breaker.

You can't be mad because there is a hard counter to your play-style. Using this set is a trade-off because it puts you at a direct disadvantage when fighting any target who does not use damage shields. That's balanced. You can be somewhat effective against everything or super effective against one specific thing. That creates diversity when people choose to build to counter against other builds.

this ^

That´s like saying mark is a balanced counter for cloak.

Gnozo wrote: »

For Example guys, just look this video here. You can see how much Damage he does with Shieldbreaker without being in a huuuuuge disadvantage cause he also kills CP 720 guys with his 2h easily. He is doing about 4-5k Surprise Attack. Where is the disadvantage here?

He is running an infused Resto Staff with Oblivion Damage Enchant + Shieldbreaker wich deals about 4-5k with Enchant. JUST! doing a light attack. Nothing more. JUST light attack.

Now tell me how this is balanced. You can clearly see how no one, also me in this video, Has any kind of chance against this.

They trying to kite, they trying to burst him down. No chance. Shieldbreaker proccing without cooldown from undogdable Resto Light Attacks with Oblivion Dmg Enchant and he still can kill with his 2h doing a decent amount of Dmg.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpshWeuZtX4

killimandrosb16_ESO wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

For Example guys, just look this video here. You can see how much Damage he does with Shieldbreaker without being in a huuuuuge disadvantage cause he also kills CP 720 guys with his 2h easily. He is doing about 4-5k Surprise Attack. Where is the disadvantage here?

He is running an infused Resto Staff with Oblivion Damage Enchant + Shieldbreaker wich deals about 4-5k with Enchant. JUST! doing a light attack. Nothing more. JUST light attack.

Now tell me how this is balanced. You can clearly see how no one, also me in this video, Has any kind of chance against this.

They trying to kite, they trying to burst him down. No chance. Shieldbreaker proccing without cooldown from undogdable Resto Light Attacks with Oblivion Dmg Enchant and he still can kill with his 2h doing a decent amount of Dmg.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpshWeuZtX4

The link doesn't work but is it Indi? If yes then you just got outplayed by a player who says to be on the same level as Malcom

On the topic it is ridiculous how someone with bad skill can hunt down the best sorcs on the server with non-crits issues ( with his zerg of course).
These players all are extraordinary good, they have 3 years of experience, countless 1vx, zerg demolitions with groups of 3-4 players. And with just 2 sets they die and there is nothing they can do about it.

Remove the oblivion damage glyph.
And make shield breaker deal 30% extra damage to shields and not oblivion damage to the health

....so maybe they arent extraordinary good after all, ever thought about that? Or maybe the one killig them didnt have so bad skills after all....Actually your post is a big contradiction. Shield breaker can be countered. If these extraordinary gentlemen cant do it, theyre the potatoes tbh

BohnT wrote: »

killimandrosb16_ESO wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

For Example guys, just look this video here. You can see how much Damage he does with Shieldbreaker without being in a huuuuuge disadvantage cause he also kills CP 720 guys with his 2h easily. He is doing about 4-5k Surprise Attack. Where is the disadvantage here?

He is running an infused Resto Staff with Oblivion Damage Enchant + Shieldbreaker wich deals about 4-5k with Enchant. JUST! doing a light attack. Nothing more. JUST light attack.

Now tell me how this is balanced. You can clearly see how no one, also me in this video, Has any kind of chance against this.

They trying to kite, they trying to burst him down. No chance. Shieldbreaker proccing without cooldown from undogdable Resto Light Attacks with Oblivion Dmg Enchant and he still can kill with his 2h doing a decent amount of Dmg.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpshWeuZtX4

The link doesn't work but is it Indi? If yes then you just got outplayed by a player who says to be on the same level as Malcom

On the topic it is ridiculous how someone with bad skill can hunt down the best sorcs on the server with non-crits issues ( with his zerg of course).
These players all are extraordinary good, they have 3 years of experience, countless 1vx, zerg demolitions with groups of 3-4 players. And with just 2 sets they die and there is nothing they can do about it.

Remove the oblivion damage glyph.
And make shield breaker deal 30% extra damage to shields and not oblivion damage to the health

....so maybe they arent extraordinary good after all, ever thought about that? Or maybe the one killig them didnt have so bad skills after all....Actually your post is a big contradiction. Shield breaker can be countered. If these extraordinary gentlemen cant do it, theyre the potatoes tbh

There is no way a sorc can survive against shieldbreaker without completely destroying it's build and viability.
There is no heal over time in this game which reaches 4k hps in cyro, not one and even if there were sorcs wouldn't get it because it would make shields way too powerful.

Tell me how can you counter 4.4k undodgeable, unblockable damage that forces you to drop your only defence and die or die while defending yourself.

It's sad that people with no experience about every class are even allowed to talk on the forums, they destroy every discussion with their bias, missing knowledge and lack of understanding how things work

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

Hey guys,

i know this has been discussed many times but just look this:



This is 100% not balanced. Doing 2.1k dmg with shields up JUST by spamming light attacks with bow or inferno staff is really really not balanced. Put a CD on it or just make it proc only on heavy attacks. This requires 0 skill and is completly destroying magicka sorc cause we need the shields to stay alive. Rework Shieldbreaker. At its current state its just broken.

And before any of the comments comes like "remove shield stack" "put CD on shields". It requires actually a lot of work and practice to be good at shieldstacking and if you cant kill a sorc who is decent at shieldstacking you should probably rethink your build and playstyle.

Magicka Sorc is a class wich needs to be practiced a lot to be good at and its just bs that this no brain counter even exist in this game. Zenimax, since you like nerf pls take a look at shieldbreaker and these pictues i postet. This is just broken

Seems like many people are already re-thinking their build and using shield-breaker.

You can't be mad because there is a hard counter to your play-style. Using this set is a trade-off because it puts you at a direct disadvantage when fighting any target who does not use damage shields. That's balanced. You can be somewhat effective against everything or super effective against one specific thing. That creates diversity when people choose to build to counter against other builds.

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

Hey guys,

i know this has been discussed many times but just look this:



This is 100% not balanced. Doing 2.1k dmg with shields up JUST by spamming light attacks with bow or inferno staff is really really not balanced. Put a CD on it or just make it proc only on heavy attacks. This requires 0 skill and is completly destroying magicka sorc cause we need the shields to stay alive. Rework Shieldbreaker. At its current state its just broken.

And before any of the comments comes like "remove shield stack" "put CD on shields". It requires actually a lot of work and practice to be good at shieldstacking and if you cant kill a sorc who is decent at shieldstacking you should probably rethink your build and playstyle.

Magicka Sorc is a class wich needs to be practiced a lot to be good at and its just bs that this no brain counter even exist in this game. Zenimax, since you like nerf pls take a look at shieldbreaker and these pictues i postet. This is just broken

Seems like many people are already re-thinking their build and using shield-breaker.

You can't be mad because there is a hard counter to your play-style. Using this set is a trade-off because it puts you at a direct disadvantage when fighting any target who does not use damage shields. That's balanced. You can be somewhat effective against everything or super effective against one specific thing. That creates diversity when people choose to build to counter against other builds.

(2 items) Adds 1096 Max Stamina
(3 items) Adds 129 Stamina Recovery
(4 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage
(5 items) When you deal damage with a Light or Heavy Attack against a Player with a damage shield, you deal an additional 2150 Oblivion Damage to them.