5 months away from game, come back for a niche pvp build and it's NERFED! XD

Wrecking_Blow_Spam · January 2018

My little story - no one cares...

Stopped playing at start of September due to irl stuff but also game nerds etc... No I didn't quit or anything just think of it as a sabbatical.

Felt like playing some pvp, on my very niche gankblade - which utilities CA. Low and behold I logged on, was in pvp and after proccing many pots I'm like 'wtf!'.

So yes, Afk for 5 months, the one character and playstyle I wanted to play has been nerfed, thank you ZOS you guys are so good at needing enjoyment. I looked at the other threads and many felt it was ott.

In before: I need to l2p and ganking sucks.

Oh and also this CA nerf basically means it's very unlikely I'll ever get to use my name sake again - - - RIP Wrecking Blow :'( you shall be missed

For those wondering, the ganking gear set was:
5 CA
5 swordsinger
1 veli
1 Kena

Wrecking_Blow_Spam · January 2018

BTW my auto correct is on so wary of nerd instead of nerf

VaranisArano · January 2018

Overall, the gankblade community complained for a bit and then moved on to a different armor set. I'm sure you'll manage the same and by able to continue enjoying your gankblade. Gank away!

Acrolas · January 2018

Clever Alchemist wasn't a nerf.

It was an exploit fix, as it was never intended for anyone to proc the set and then use an add-on to automate a gear change while still having the CA buff.

So I think you're on your own if you want to continue to "PVP".

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO · January 2018

The Clever Alchemist set only proc’s while in combat now, if your a stamina build go Flanking set, get directly behind them and Wrecking Blow, Bammm down. Using the Flanking set I have Ganked people from Range, yes Range, it doesn’t happen all the time but it can happen..

KingYogi415 · January 2018

You need a master bow now, still possible to gank tho.

Yolokin_Swagonborn · January 2018

Address any complaints about nerfs to the Champion System Department. The one reason all your favorite builds, class skills, gear and mechanics get pummeled by the nerf bat year after year, month after month.

The controls have to do somewhere. instead of addressing the power creep caused by CP, by getting rid of CP, ZOS keeps nerfing everything else.

So take another break, lets say a year. And all class skills with be completely stripped of their utility, all look the same, and do 1k damage each boosted 500% by 1000 champion points.

Is this the game you want? Because this is the game you are getting. The nerfings will continue until the champion system is destroyed,

pauli133 · January 2018

If you take five months off from an MMO and come back to find nothing's changed, that's because the game died while you were gone.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam · January 2018

pauli133 wrote: »

If you take five months off from an MMO and come back to find nothing's changed, that's because the game died while you were gone.

That's true I suppose

Wrecking_Blow_Spam · January 2018

KingYogi415 wrote: »

You need a master bow now, still possible to gank tho.

I liked ganking using wrecking blow

Wrecking_Blow_Spam · January 2018

Acrolas wrote: »

Clever Alchemist wasn't a nerf.

It was an exploit fix, as it was never intended for anyone to proc the set and then use an add-on to automate a gear change while still having the CA buff.

So I think you're on your own if you want to continue to "PVP".

Was nerf to gankers, can no longer pre buff the gank unless in combat. I know what you speak of, that was an exploit with armour change. The pre buff defo a nerf...

Wrecking_Blow_Spam · January 2018

VaranisArano wrote: »

Overall, the gankblade community complained for a bit and then moved on to a different armor set. I'm sure you'll manage the same and by able to continue enjoying your gankblade. Gank away!

Thanks let's hope so

Wrecking_Blow_Spam · January 2018

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

The Clever Alchemist set only proc’s while in combat now, if your a stamina build go Flanking set, get directly behind them and Wrecking Blow, Bammm down. Using the Flanking set I have Ganked people from Range, yes Range, it doesn’t happen all the time but it can happen..

Ty for tips will look into it.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam · January 2018

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Address any complaints about nerfs to the Champion System Department. The one reason all your favorite builds, class skills, gear and mechanics get pummeled by the nerf bat year after year, month after month.

The controls have to do somewhere. instead of addressing the power creep caused by CP, by getting rid of CP, ZOS keeps nerfing everything else.

So take another break, lets say a year. And all class skills with be completely stripped of their utility, all look the same, and do 1k damage each boosted 500% by 1000 champion points.

Is this the game you want? Because this is the game you are getting. The nerfings will continue until the champion system is destroyed,

Thanks for this info, sounds like this is whole thread to be had (which I'm sure has happened?)

Waffennacht · January 2018

It's impossible to prevent PC players from getting the buff from CA and using a program to change gear while also letting CA be used outside of combat.

Someone already told you this and you commented.

The CP system has absolutely nothing to do with it and is just another anti CP post, similar ones existed with veteran rankings.

"Oh the Power Creep"

No, CP isn't the reason your stuff got nerfed, it got nerfed cuz having 3 armor perks or infinite lashes are OP

Wrecking_Blow_Spam · January 2018

Waffennacht wrote: »

It's impossible to prevent PC players from getting the buff from CA and using a program to change gear while also letting CA be used outside of combat.

Someone already told you this and you commented.

The CP system has absolutely nothing to do with it and is just another anti CP post, similar ones existed with veteran rankings.

"Oh the Power Creep"

No, CP isn't the reason your stuff got nerfed, it got nerfed cuz having 3 armor perks or infinite lashes are OP

Console pleb here but nvm

Lexxypwns · January 2018

Archers mind is your friend

Wrecking_Blow_Spam · January 2018

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Archers mind is your friend

I know the bow ganking is good but it was really fun been in the midst of a zerg going in for a kill with a 2h and coming out alive. Such thrills, watching the zerg look around right after I just walked in and killed one of them.

Kalante · January 2018

Acrolas wrote: »

Clever Alchemist wasn't a nerf.

It was an exploit fix, as it was never intended for anyone to proc the set and then use an add-on to automate a gear change while still having the CA buff.

So I think you're on your own if you want to continue to "PVP".

people really that much of a scrub in pc?

eso_lags · January 2018

Acrolas wrote: »

Clever Alchemist wasn't a nerf.

It was an exploit fix, as it was never intended for anyone to proc the set and then use an add-on to automate a gear change while still having the CA buff.

So I think you're on your own if you want to continue to "PVP".

Not true. It was a nerf to anyone that wanted to proc it before they got into combat. It was that way since the beginning. If they wanted to fix the issue they should have removed the add on that pc players get to use that allows you to swap gear instantly. Or make the set so while you have the buff, you cannot swap gear. but thats to complicated so they nerf it. Anyway, its the fault of pc players abusing the add on imo.

Didgerion · January 2018

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

My little story - no one cares...

Stopped playing at start of September due to irl stuff but also game nerds etc... No I didn't quit or anything just think of it as a sabbatical.

Felt like playing some pvp, on my very niche gankblade - which utilities CA. Low and behold I logged on, was in pvp and after proccing many pots I'm like 'wtf!'.

So yes, Afk for 5 months, the one character and playstyle I wanted to play has been nerfed, thank you ZOS you guys are so good at needing enjoyment. I looked at the other threads and many felt it was ott.

In before: I need to l2p and ganking sucks.

Oh and also this CA nerf basically means it's very unlikely I'll ever get to use my name sake again - - - RIP Wrecking Blow :'( you shall be missed

For those wondering, the ganking gear set was:
5 CA
5 swordsinger
1 veli
1 Kena

Replace CA with other set - automaton for example - you loose a bit of weapon power but it doesn't greatly reduce the numbers of your tooltips. Check it out.

DocFrost72 · January 2018

CA gank still works if you're grouped up and your group enters combat, I heard. Grab a random tank or join a pug and gank away!

VaranisArano · January 2018

Kalante wrote: »

Acrolas wrote: »

Clever Alchemist wasn't a nerf.

It was an exploit fix, as it was never intended for anyone to proc the set and then use an add-on to automate a gear change while still having the CA buff.

So I think you're on your own if you want to continue to "PVP".

people really that much of a scrub in pc?

Yes. People really did that on PC. So for once, we can blame the cheaters (and ZOS' inability to fix the exploit) for ruining a good thing.

Grabmoore · January 2018

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

KingYogi415 wrote: »

You need a master bow now, still possible to gank tho.

I liked ganking using wrecking blow

Do you like PvP at all? Then go out and fight... Your old build was boring and cheesy anyways.

TheNuminous1 · January 2018

Acrolas wrote: »

Clever Alchemist wasn't a nerf.

It was an exploit fix, as it was never intended for anyone to proc the set and then use an add-on to automate a gear change while still having the CA buff.

So I think you're on your own if you want to continue to "PVP".

so it wasnt even a console issue why it was changed! thats total bogus that they had to change their game vecause of an outside mod that only even effected 1/3 of the community in the first place.

alchemist was out way to long for them to say they intended for it to proc in combat.

Morvane · January 2018

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

BTW my auto correct is on so wary of nerd instead of nerf

game nerds are big problem, autocorrect was right

Cernow · January 2018

If you're away from any MMO for half a year or longer you should expect things will be different when you return. It's how it is. Having a niche build that relies on a certain set of variables just increases the chances things won't stay the same.

Besides, why does any ganker need a specialist build? The whole thing with ganking is you are catching your victim unawares, usually when they are engaged in some other activity like fighting mobs, unlocking a chest, riding past trying to get from A to B etc. You should be able to beat them naked, so why do you need the crutch of a specialist build?

clocksstoppe · January 2018

Unfortunately for you OP, you are collateral damage caused by game designers that are so mediocre they can't even find proper fixes for exploits they find. Their answer to CA proc into gear swap addon exploit was to make it never proc unless you are in combat. The correct way to do it was to make the CA proc put you immediately into combat, thus disabling gear swapping while also allowing it to be used for what it was designed, prebuffing before engaging

Waffennacht wrote: »

It's impossible to prevent PC players from getting the buff from CA and using a program to change gear while also letting CA be used outside of combat.

It's so impossible I just showed you how to do it. You should go work for ZOS you would fit right in.

Lexxypwns · January 2018

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Archers mind is your friend

I know the bow ganking is good but it was really fun been in the midst of a zerg going in for a kill with a 2h and coming out alive. Such thrills, watching the zerg look around right after I just walked in and killed one of them.

@Wrecking_Blow_Spam
Archers mind works for melee builds

LordSemaj · January 2018

clocksstoppe wrote: »

Unfortunately for you OP, you are collateral damage caused by game designers that are so mediocre they can't even find proper fixes for exploits they find. Their answer to CA proc into gear swap addon exploit was to make it never proc unless you are in combat. The correct way to do it was to make the CA proc put you immediately into combat, thus disabling gear swapping while also allowing it to be used for what it was designed, prebuffing before engaging

Waffennacht wrote: »

It's impossible to prevent PC players from getting the buff from CA and using a program to change gear while also letting CA be used outside of combat.

It's so impossible I just showed you how to do it. You should go work for ZOS you would fit right in.

Unless you planned on making them locked in combat mode for 15 seconds every time they drink a potion, no it hasn't. Combat ends when the engagement ends and there is no mob you're engaged with so the game doesn't recognize a reason to end combat as soon as possible. This would literally require implementing an exception to the combat timer rules which are so core to the game engine that they would require an actual programmer to do instead of whatever script monkey designed the alchemist set. There's a big difference between coding an exception to a core game mechanic and using your RPGMaker toolset to create an item that applies a buff when an consumable is used. Most of the people who create content know nothing about programming, they only know how to operate the design tools, which if the devs are big enough have PLENTY of accessible features from creating new mobs and assigning them skins/attacks to shaping the world itself to adding more item sets with tweakable stats and different trigger conditions. Even the Unreal engine has hoards of usable features for the lowest class of developer and autogenerated scripts. This is part of why switching or updating engines costs so much for devs. Programmers are so unnecessary after the fact that their costs are frontloaded into the engine development with a scant few retained or hired for troubleshooting during the life cycle. When an engine and its accompanying tools are well designed it doesn't take an army of programmers to design more content, only an army of artists.

clocksstoppe · January 2018

LordSemaj wrote: »

This would literally require implementing an exception to the combat timer rules which are so core to the game engine that they would require an actual programmer to do instead of whatever script monkey designed the alchemist set. There's a big difference between coding an exception to a core game mechanic and using your RPGMaker toolset to create an item that applies a buff when an consumable is used.

As the end user it really isn't my problem how this is achieved. However it is our problem that the way in which it was implemented was poor.