ZOS - So What gives ZOS with Master Writs?
POps75p
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I do daily writs on all 14 of my players, and only one is capable of really crafting anything, none of the others are capable of crafting anyting other than Writs, although they are rank 50 on all of them, one of my players can craft everything known in the game, and has every motif and all of the crafting achievements. so what gives why do i get more master writs from the one that done have any motifs and none from the master crafter, are we all spending thousand of gold and time to get useless motif's? Before i did get all of the motif's from the one crafter i was getting a ton of them and now nada. I using the past 9 months as an time frame. So give us the real truth, why are no motif's better than all of them?
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Haquor✭✭✭✭✭My experience is different to yours.
Though i do 12 characters and generally have the writs spread across them all i find there seems to be slightly more dropping for my main crafter and the others that have more motifs and traits researched.
My main crafter definately gets higher voucher writs.
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jssriot✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yeah, I have a similar experience as the OP. I have 7 toons that do writs at the highest tiers, but only one is my master crafter who knows all 9 traits, all the non-crown store exclusive motifs, knows all the purple prov recipes and all but two of the legendary ones, has the achieves and passives, etc, and if I was to get a master writs worth more than 17 vouchers or so, it'll much more likely to be on one of my other toons, not her.
It's pretty frustrating because as I've said before on this same topic, what I was so excited about when they released these master writs was that it was suppose to reward you for the time and effort you put into your crafter. IME, it's just more random ESO randomness.PC-NA since 2015. Tired and unimpressed.4 -
POps75p✭✭✭✭Yeah, I have a similar experience as the OP. I have 7 toons that do writs at the highest tiers, but only one is my master crafter who knows all 9 traits, all the non-crown store exclusive motifs, knows all the purple prov recipes and all but two of the legendary ones, has the achieves and passives, etc, and if I was to get a master writs worth more than 17 vouchers or so, it'll much more likely to be on one of my other toons, not her.
It's pretty frustrating because as I've said before on this same topic, what I was so excited about when they released these master writs was that it was suppose to reward you for the time and effort you put into your crafter. IME, it's just more random ESO randomness.
i would love for zos to give is the real scoop, are all the motif of any benefit? sure does not look like it to me2 -
Linaleah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭honestly, my experience is exactly the same as OP. so I don't even know how they weight the chance of getting writs at this point.dirty worthless casual.
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Ohtimbar✭✭✭✭✭
✭Same here. My crafters in name only get more writs than my main, who has every motif and nearly every furnishing plan in the game. My main does get higher value writs than the others, but only rarely.forever stuck in combat0 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It’s actually based on known motifs and maybe research among possibly other things. It’s definately based on who knows the most motifs so prob a waste doing on others.
They said this for known motifs on eso live when that feature was released.Edited by NewBlacksmurf on January 27, 2018 10:03PM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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pod88kk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I find they tend to come in waves... A constant trickle of small ones then over 1-3 days I'll get some nice ones, then it's trickle time again0 -
Yolokin_Swagonborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Writs are a time and gold sink. Most of what can be bought from writs can also be purchased with real money under the guise of the crown store. So if getting, maintaining and managing writs is frustrating you, then the system is working as intended.0 -
helediron✭✭✭✭✭
✭The amount of received writs is slightly dependent on the goodness of the crafter.
The amount of received vouchers from a writ is random and the range of vouchers is very large.
This is why a random crafter is getting usually more vouchers than the main crafter. The randomness of vouchers vastly overshadows the master's slightly better chance in writs. If all writs would return same amount of vouchers then the master crafter would steadily produce more vouchers. But the current system randomly throws in very large amount of vouchers. One writ of hundred vouchers is like giving twenty extra writs to a helper.
Lets make an example. Player has one master crafter and nine helpers. Over e.g a week helper crafters get five and the one master crafter get six writs. That is 51 writs. Assume one of them give 100 vouchers while all others give 5. Each helper has about 10% chance to get the big one while master has 12% chance. Note that the chances are almost equal. After one week Any of the crafters can be the leader. It is the one that got the big one. If we would run writs like 20 years, then the master's one extra writ starts to add up and slowly the master would move to first place in vouchers.
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SugaComa✭✭✭✭✭Writs and material prices are dumb, only ones worth doing are alchemy and enchants unless you have a dozen characters all doing them
Look at the bear haunch food one
You need the writ, you need two perfect roe
That's roughly 35k worth of material for 6 writs
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Stinkyremy✭✭✭✭✭I do daily writs on all 14 of my players, and only one is capable of really crafting anything, none of the others are capable of crafting anyting other than Writs, although they are rank 50 on all of them, one of my players can craft everything known in the game, and has every motif and all of the crafting achievements. so what gives why do i get more master writs from the one that done have any motifs and none from the master crafter, are we all spending thousand of gold and time to get useless motif's? Before i did get all of the motif's from the one crafter i was getting a ton of them and now nada. I using the past 9 months as an time frame. So give us the real truth, why are no motif's better than all of them?
what is even worse for me is I keep getting these 7 writ tokens, bouyant armiger, the rarest style, or, akavir, or militant, where style mats are more expensive than the writ itself and most of the 60-80 tickets are all legendary, rare motif and nirnhoned. On top of that I haven't seen a writ give me more than 100 tickets since the master writs first come out. I know all motifs ffs. I guess the 100, 200 writs are still able to be dropped, just not for me.
To add to this, the drop rate from hirelings has gone to the point of never getting gold mats and doing cloting writs with ancestor silk, the most expensive mat isn't even worth the wax, the least expensive gold mat.1 -
POps75p✭✭✭✭Stinkyremy wrote: »I do daily writs on all 14 of my players, and only one is capable of really crafting anything, none of the others are capable of crafting anyting other than Writs, although they are rank 50 on all of them, one of my players can craft everything known in the game, and has every motif and all of the crafting achievements. so what gives why do i get more master writs from the one that done have any motifs and none from the master crafter, are we all spending thousand of gold and time to get useless motif's? Before i did get all of the motif's from the one crafter i was getting a ton of them and now nada. I using the past 9 months as an time frame. So give us the real truth, why are no motif's better than all of them?
what is even worse for me is I keep getting these 7 writ tokens, bouyant armiger, the rarest style, or, akavir, or militant, where style mats are more expensive than the writ itself and most of the 60-80 tickets are all legendary, rare motif and nirnhoned. On top of that I haven't seen a writ give me more than 100 tickets since the master writs first come out. I know all motifs ffs. I guess the 100, 200 writs are still able to be dropped, just not for me.
To add to this, the drop rate from hirelings has gone to the point of never getting gold mats and doing cloting writs with ancestor silk, the most expensive mat isn't even worth the wax, the least expensive gold mat.
zos should just tell us the truth, why spend all the time and money for motif's when you get nothing in return. with respect to hirelines, i agree, they should also add the option to get a hireling in Alc0 -
POps75p✭✭✭✭The amount of received writs is slightly dependent on the goodness of the crafter.
The amount of received vouchers from a writ is random and the range of vouchers is very large.
This is why a random crafter is getting usually more vouchers than the main crafter. The randomness of vouchers vastly overshadows the master's slightly better chance in writs. If all writs would return same amount of vouchers then the master crafter would steadily produce more vouchers. But the current system randomly throws in very large amount of vouchers. One writ of hundred vouchers is like giving twenty extra writs to a helper.
Lets make an example. Player has one master crafter and nine helpers. Over e.g a week helper crafters get five and the one master crafter get six writs. That is 51 writs. Assume one of them give 100 vouchers while all others give 5. Each helper has about 10% chance to get the big one while master has 12% chance. Note that the chances are almost equal. After one week Any of the crafters can be the leader. It is the one that got the big one. If we would run writs like 20 years, then the master's one extra writ starts to add up and slowly the master would move to first place in vouchers.
That 20 years wasn't a joke.
goodness vs crafter's experience etc, where are you getting this info from? (the top comment.
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Giraffon✭✭✭✭✭
✭Agree with OP. I call BS. It's all random. I've also noticed that if I have 10-15 master writs in my pack that they tend to drop less often. If I do them all so I have none in my pack then I start getting them again.
They need to overhaul the whole system. It absolutely does NOT feel like my master crafter is the guy getting the most vouchers. It should be very obvious to the player that a specific character is outperforming all of their others because of their knowledge. Currently it feels more random.Giraffon - Beta Lizard - For the Pact!0 -
Slick_007✭✭✭✭✭
✭Writs and material prices are dumb, only ones worth doing are alchemy and enchants unless you have a dozen characters all doing them
Look at the bear haunch food one
You need the writ, you need two perfect roe
That's roughly 35k worth of material for 6 writs
Zos should scrap writs altogether
wow, put a lot of thought into that one did you?
zos dont set the prices for things like perfect roe. so writs should not be, and are not, tied into the arbitrary value of items as set by players. to get the bear haunch recipe isnt hard. and you can, and i have, gone and caught 1 fish and gotten a perfect roe. anyone can do it. yesterday 12 fish got me 2 perfect roe. 10min of fishing and iv got the mats and it didnt cost me anything.
as much as id like those 10 to be more, realistically, its a damn easy writ0 -
badmojo✭✭✭✭✭
✭I feel like this is also an issue of perception. In this case we notice when its either the single master crafter gets the master writ, or one of 'the others' gets it. But, we arent doing 13x the writs on the master crafter, so it just seems like the non crafters get more because they roll the dice more.
That said I do feel like there are deminishing returns when it comes to the motifs learned increasing the chance. I think knowing just the basic blue motifs would make a big difference from knowing none, but I feel like the difference between knowing half of all the motifs and knowing them all is much less.[DC/NA]0 -
tambo.01b16_ESO✭✭✭Yeah, I have a similar experience as the OP. I have 7 toons that do writs at the highest tiers, but only one is my master crafter who knows all 9 traits, all the non-crown store exclusive motifs, knows all the purple prov recipes and all but two of the legendary ones, has the achieves and passives, etc, and if I was to get a master writs worth more than 17 vouchers or so, it'll much more likely to be on one of my other toons, not her.
It's pretty frustrating because as I've said before on this same topic, what I was so excited about when they released these master writs was that it was suppose to reward you for the time and effort you put into your crafter. IME, it's just more random ESO randomness.
i would love for zos to give is the real scoop, are all the motif of any benefit? sure does not look like it to me
ZOS said at the time that the only motifs that will be taken in to account will be the motifs available up to, and including those released with Homestead. Learning new motifs from later DLC's / Chapters will not count for motifs learned (when calculating the chance of getting a master writ drop).
Basically, the motifs that show as fully learned in Journal > Achievements > Crafting > General are the ones that are supposed to give you a better chance.
I guess they didn't want to keep going back and modifying old code every time a new motif was released, so any motif from DLC's after Homestead will not count for a better chance of getting master writs. This includes Morrowind.0 -
helediron✭✭✭✭✭
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I am getting them from my own statistics. I have e.g. about 15 full nine trait crafters.The amount of received writs is slightly dependent on the goodness of the crafter.
The amount of received vouchers from a writ is random and the range of vouchers is very large.
This is why a random crafter is getting usually more vouchers than the main crafter. The randomness of vouchers vastly overshadows the master's slightly better chance in writs. If all writs would return same amount of vouchers then the master crafter would steadily produce more vouchers. But the current system randomly throws in very large amount of vouchers. One writ of hundred vouchers is like giving twenty extra writs to a helper.
Lets make an example. Player has one master crafter and nine helpers. Over e.g a week helper crafters get five and the one master crafter get six writs. That is 51 writs. Assume one of them give 100 vouchers while all others give 5. Each helper has about 10% chance to get the big one while master has 12% chance. Note that the chances are almost equal. After one week Any of the crafters can be the leader. It is the one that got the big one. If we would run writs like 20 years, then the master's one extra writ starts to add up and slowly the master would move to first place in vouchers.
That 20 years wasn't a joke.
goodness vs crafter's experience etc, where are you getting this info from? (the top comment.
tks
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disintegr8✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I tracked mine for 70 days when they first came out and my main motif learning crafter got the most number of writs but not the most number of vouchers. My second crafter, who had learned all duplicate motifs up until then, received the 2nd most number of writs but was way down on vouchers.
I had 6 characters who did 420 crafting writs each, only the first 2 had learned any purple motifs::
44 master writs, 381 vouchers
41 master writs, 253 vouchers
32 master writs, 384 vouchers (incl a 151 voucher writ)
29 master writs, 519 vouchers (incl a 251 voucher writ)
31 master writs, 259 vouchers
32 master writs, 344 vouchers
When this was being tracked, the last 4 crafters had not done any trait research, whereas the 1st was 9 trait and the 2nd was already an 8 trait crafter. This may have had an impact on writ drop rates but did not appear to negatively impact voucher drop rates.
Since doing this the last 4 have all finished researching 8 traits and my main crafter has completely learned all but about 6 motif styles. I still do not think my main crafter gets any more vouchers than anyone else, even though he may still get more writs.Edited by disintegr8 on January 30, 2018 9:10PMAustralian on PS4 NA server.
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