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Stam Warden Question

JackSmirkingRevenge
Hello everyone,
Sorry if this topic is redundant, but I searched the forums and couldn't really find much on the topic. Also, I am returning after about a year so my information is a bit out dated. I was looking at trying out the warden class and always prefer to play stam builds. I got bored with my stamblade before I left, felt like the lack of diversity in PvE builds for stam characters made me quit for a while. Maybe nothing has changed.

I wanted to try a 2h/bow build (I know, dw is still higher parsing from what I have read) but was curious if a 2h/bow stam warden was at all viable for mid tier PvE content. Im not looking for high leaderboard runs, but doing vet dungeons and maybe some trials. I also loved the PvP in this game and figured 2h/bow was still good for PvP. I couldn't find any build ideas which is probably telling me the prospects of having a decent 2h/bow stam warden is slim to none.

Could anyone toss some ideas on a build that might work? I did a little research into the class and came up with something like

FB: Executioner, Brawler, sub assault, cutting dive, Bull netch, Flawless Dawnbreaker
BB: Endless Hail, Pois injec, Bird of Prey, Green lotus, Rearming Trap, Ballista

Figuring that gets you several self buffs (major brutality, Savagry, minor force, etc).

Is there any real vaibility to this build based on what I want to do with it, or would I have major issues with sustain, extremely low dps, etc. Any constructive feedback would be appreciated, like I said wanting to get back into the game and check out the warden build. Try something new.
  • RavenSworn
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    You aren't that far from what I managed to get in pts. I was doing some warden and night blade testing. Here's what I came up with:

    Reverse Slice, Critical Rush, Sub Assault, Rearming trap,(utility slot), Flawless dawn breaker.
    Endless Hail or poison injection (depending on fight), Bull Netch, Bird of Prey, Green Lotus, Cutting Dive, Ballista

    It's quite similar to yours with a few changes. The build plays melee though, regardless if you have a bow, it's on the back bar.

    Why no brawler? What I would do is buffs, cast sub Assault and then crit rush, trap, endless Hail (or injection if it was single target), weave reverse slice with heavy attacks, rinse and repeat. For groups, dawnbreaker is beast. For single target, Ballista is an awesome way to maintain pressure while still moving. Both reverse slice and poison injection deals more damage on 50% health and that's where you start to crank up the damage.

    The utility slot is really all about giving group support where it's needed. There's so many options, Ice Fortress, gripping shards, leeching vines, bone shield, even soothing spores or vigor. All of these are viable in the build and it all depends on how much group support you want to bring.

    Sets I'd use are leviathan, veiled heritance (Jewelry and weapons with one piece armor, usually belt) hundings, automaton, spriggans, briarheart to a certain degree, twice fanged. I'd add spelunker for sustain, but it's more of a tanky set than dps. Some sets are easier to get but common sets such as viper, toothrow, etc doesn't scale well with wardens as they aren't made for poison attack. I'd say go for the automaton veiled heritance combo, that's why the weave of reverse slice and heavy attack works really well here.

    Note that this is what I got from pts and not live so results may differ but I assume that it's not that much since there wasn't much changes to the warden as far as I'm concerned.

    Grab one piece kraghs for pen or slime craw for the criticals. You can go max Stam for the one piece monster but I'd focus on the pen so you hit harder.
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  • JackSmirkingRevenge
    @RavenSworn

    Thanks alot, that is exactly the feedback I was looking for. So I will get better use out of reverse slice rather than executioner? Sorry if thats a dumb question, like I said I played a dw NB before I left so I am not as versed in the 2h morphs.
  • RavenSworn
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    I find reverse slice to be a much better morph than executioner simply because you don't have to spam too many different skills for aoe or single target. This is because reverse slice deals up to 60% damage to nearby enemies. The tool tip I had in the pts, was 96% but again, it's the pts. The fact that you start to deal 300% more damage when enemy is at 50% health works well with your build. Executioner is only 350% more on a single target.
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  • JackSmirkingRevenge
    Ok that makes more sense about reverse slice.

    So critical rush, you would really only use once per fight correct? So you think that is better than brawler or carve?

    What did your rotation look like if I might ask?

    Thanks again for the feedback, its really helpful
  • RavenSworn
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    Jeffdkc wrote: »
    Ok that makes more sense about reverse slice.

    So critical rush, you would really only use once per fight correct? So you think that is better than brawler or carve?

    What did your rotation look like if I might ask?

    Thanks again for the feedback, its really helpful

    On some standing fights, that is true but many of the bosses require you to move so having critical rush makes it easier to get back into the fray. For eg the minotaur boss and the adds in blood root forge.

    Gaining ultimate is not that much of a problem if you maintain attacking with sub Assault and cutting dive coupled with the heavy / light attack weaving. Brawler / carve can still be used in the utility slot but it works much better if your build focus is bleeds. Right now it's about weapon damage and dealing as much physical damage as possible.

    You can change your gear setup to accommodate the build, like blood drinker but I personally feel bleeds work best with a dual wield / two hander setup.

    My rotation was basically buffs [green lotus - bird of Prey - bull Netch - utility slot if you have a buff as well] - sub Assault - critical charge - Rearming trap - endless Hail - weave heavy attack with reverse slice. While moving buff yourself up again, add cutting dive when you can, rinse repeat.

    Do note that both bull Netch and lotus has a 20s duration but Bird of Prey has only 10s. You can slot a BoP right after endless Hail so it ends roughly the same time as the other buffs. Almost always use critical rush to get in the fray rather than running into it so you gain that extra damage. While leveling or soloing WBs or dolmens, use Briar heart for excellent self heals.
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  • Lightspeedflashb14_ESO
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    Crit rush has absolutely no place on a pve dps bar.

    You need caltrops. Full stop.

    My bars for a two hander stamden would look like this-

    Front bar, infused battle axe with a poison enchant

    Rearming trap- sub asssalt- reverse slice - brawler- wrecking blow, ulti flawless Dawnbreaker or the bear

    Back bar, vMA bow, infused disease or berzerk

    Green lotus- caltrops- netch- endless hail- poison injection, ulti ballista or the bear.

    The bleed from the battle ax will give you, on average, more DPS then a sword.

    There is no real reason to use the bird on a melee build, wrecking blow will out dps it. Maybe for the extra 2% damage done from the passive.

    Bird of prey is lasts for 14 seconds, not even two full rotations, you will get more dps from caltrops, by a lot. And any healer worth their salt will be giving you that buff anyway.




    So a rotation would look like this, lotus, netch endless, caltrops, poison, swap, subass, trap, brawler, reverse slice if trash, wrecking blow if single target, subass, heavy attack swap. Repeat.

    Apply buffs when they rrun out, use flawless if trash and ballista if single target, or just use the bear when it is up. Light attack in between all skills, if you can.

    You could swap out wrecking blow with birds but I would not.


    For armor, what ever you like, if you don't want to follow the meta, like your op states.
  • RavenSworn
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    I don't know about crit rush not making it in a pve dps build but I do agree on caltrops. Birds aren't just for the damage passive but also for better ult regen. Wrecking blow... Doesn't do as much as birds would do for stamden imo.

    Swap as you see fit op.
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  • Lightspeedflashb14_ESO
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    RavenSworn wrote: »
    I don't know about crit rush not making it in a pve dps build but I do agree on caltrops. Birds aren't just for the damage passive but also for better ult regen. Wrecking blow... Doesn't do as much as birds would do for stamden imo.

    Swap as you see fit op.


    You are casting subass enough for that ulti, which is 4 every 8 seconds. So the extra 20% damage on your next hit would probably be better. You could drop a spammable all together and just use heavys, they give an extra 10% on your next hit but I like a spammable.

    I also said he could swap them out. Then I gave my recommendation.

    I know 100% for sure that if I saw a DPS using crit rush in a dungeon, I would vote to kick.

    Edited by Lightspeedflashb14_ESO on January 27, 2018 11:24AM
  • RavenSworn
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    Don't run pugs, you'll just gonna get yourself disappointed lol
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  • JackSmirkingRevenge
    Thanks again guys, I think you both have given me some good things to look at.

    I appreciate your feedback and not just telling me to run the meta lol. I was running a DW stamblade which I see still does extremely high dps. I just feel like stam builds all have nearly the exact same bars, wanted to try something different, especially since I dont plan on running leaderboard vet trial runs.

    I do want to be able to hold my own in vet dungeons and some trials though so once again, appreciate the constructive feedback.
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