Why NURF MAG DK MORE!!!!!!!!!!!???????????

kylewwefan · January 2018

Isn’t it obvious? ESO needs more good tanks. So nerf them as DPS and all the real Mag DK with mages guild leveled up now become the best OP tanks.

They did the same thing to Nightblade tanks. Nerf them so hard you had to figure something else to do with them.

Tarrocan · January 2018

jdmoonan wrote: »

I have been playing this class as a main for a little over 3 years now and every patch you nurf it more and more. WHY? The class already can only be played in pvp by a skilled player. Your are literally just [snip] on me at this point with no care of what you are doing to your player base. The un-dodgeable whip has been in the game as long as I can remember and no one has complained about it, because it is one of the only ways if not the only way to secure a kill as a mag dk. I feel like you are taking all the skill out of this game. I used to love this game for the combat system and now you are making it a literal dumb game. This game has become who has more people in a group or who has the most unmitigateable damage on their gear and bar. All I am saying is please listen to your experienced player base we are the ones that are dedicated and you keep taking a *** on us and for what? I pay dues every month to keep this game going and you just nurf and nurf and nurf. Personally I think you should do what diablo 3 did and bring all under preforming classes and sets up to the same level as everything else. That's an idea right? Why continue to nurf ***. One day with the way you are changing things in this game you will make it to where no one wants to play it anymore. I quit so many games to play this one and stay with it, but you keep nurfing the only class I want to play with no remorse to how it effects those that only play that class. You make dumb changes instead of fixing the real problems like lag or the fact you released a class that gets almost every major buff in the game thinking it wasn't going to just *** on pvp. Instead you continue to destroy the only original skilled class in the game. You continue to release broken no skill *** in this game the everyone will just abuse and no skill. Why is it so hard to just fix the already broken piece of *** game you have instead of adding more broken *** and nurfing *** over and over again. These nurfs do nothing but *** people off. Some of us don't want to play your *** ass warden class because it is the only competitive class in pvp at this point. Guess what though I still bought your *** ass Morrowind because I support this game and the player base, but you continue to nurf my class for no reason. I have done nothing but support this game but I am coming to an end with how much I can take from your combat team and the *** they do in this game for no reason. I am considering very highly leaving this game and not every coming back. Not that it matters but I am an upset dedicated player and have been for so long and I feel that you give no cares about what you do to your player base.

I agree with that 100% it's Bad to read this but its true. I also made after Morrowind a 4 Month break coz i hated how ZOS play with experience players. Now i play again with my MagDK and dammit i have rly much fun with it and now this

I spent also a lot of time and money in this game and would like to have the time turned back before DB comes out. where everything was better. But after Morrowind the fanbase rise up and NOW they have alot more new players, and yes its funny but they all Plays warden, if u look exactly

ZOS give a ... about experienced players coz the new players need a chance to be good in everything, pvp and pve.

btw ZOS comes up every 3 month with rly confused Balance updates what nobody asked for ,but they try all for the new players what is in my eyes the biggest issue. I see my guild and friendlist gets smaller and smaller every month. So i dont know how much fun i have to play my magdk after the new update ,maybe 1 week or 2 i dont know atm.

u know: experinced players spended al ot of money in a game and spend in future less
NEW PLAYERS have a lot money to give until he becomes an experienced player and is replaced by a new player, so this is the cyrcle here

i know ,this sounds crazy but who knows ^^

so that is my Point

GL

[Edited to remove profanity]

Thannazzar · January 2018

You can imagine the conversation at ZOS....

'Guys we have run out of 'balance nerfs' on other classes, looks like we are going to have to address shieldstacking sorcs!......'

'Screw that, let's just create a new off balance mechanic that let's us do another year of adjustment to classes that don't need nerfing'

Splattercat_83 · January 2018

Thannazzar wrote: »

You can imagine the conversation at ZOS....

'Guys we have run out of 'balance nerfs' on other classes, looks like we are going to have to address shieldstacking sorcs!......'

'Screw that, let's just create a new off balance mechanic that let's us do another year of adjustment to classes that don't need nerfing'

Shields got nerfed to 6 seconds, ultimate charge went from 1000 to 500 (straight nerf to overload), the cost of streak was increased if it was cast again in a certain ammount of time. Sorcs took it hard with the removal of cost reduction (I feel more so than any other class), the stun from crystal frags were removed.........

you cant be serious about nerfing sorcs anymore?!? lol

Minno · January 2018

Joy_Division wrote: »

Been a while since I read a good rant. and this one is a doozy.

Complains about removing an undodgable ability.

Next sentence: "I feel like you are taking all the skill out of this game."

I saw the title and I thought it was going to be a Narf thread $:\$

Stamden · January 2018

Come on Zenimax, if even this guy (the OP) can see how ridiculous this is, you've really got a problem here.

SmellyUnlimited · January 2018

My eyes glazed over trying to read that drivel.

1. It's Nerf, not Nurf. You know, like the toy? That's where the term originated.

2. From PTS posts, the changes to off-balance and flame lash haven't seem to have affected Mag DK at all. If so, only a negligible amount.

VaranisArano · January 2018

Because ZOS wants MagDKs to be tanks?

Girl_Number8 · January 2018

Paganini wrote: »

I disagree with the OP. I've recently started playing magdk again, after playing some months with all kinds of classes (stamwarden, magwarden, stamplar, magplar, stamsorc, stamnb). I always create my own builds, that fit perfect for me.. And i have to say: MagDK ist pretty sick currently!! Yeah, it's not that hardcore anymore like back to 1.5/1.6, but thats called balance. Just because you're not able to easily tank and kill 6+ ppl anymore, doesn't mean your class is ***. You should maybe start finding the right setup for yourself instead of probably copying builds from other ppl

This makes me laugh....

Ragnarock41 · January 2018

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

Paganini wrote: »

I disagree with the OP. I've recently started playing magdk again, after playing some months with all kinds of classes (stamwarden, magwarden, stamplar, magplar, stamsorc, stamnb). I always create my own builds, that fit perfect for me.. And i have to say: MagDK ist pretty sick currently!! Yeah, it's not that hardcore anymore like back to 1.5/1.6, but thats called balance. Just because you're not able to easily tank and kill 6+ ppl anymore, doesn't mean your class is ***. You should maybe start finding the right setup for yourself instead of probably copying builds from other ppl

This makes me laugh....

Its pretty strong in PvP right now.

I do understand the pve rants, but claiming this will kill mDK pvp would be ridicilous.

Girl_Number8 · January 2018

jdmoonan wrote: »

I have been playing this class as a main for a little over 3 years now and every patch you nurf it more and more. WHY? The class already can only be played in pvp by a skilled player. Your are literally just [snip] on me at this point with no care of what you are doing to your player base. The un-dodgeable whip has been in the game as long as I can remember and no one has complained about it, because it is one of the only ways if not the only way to secure a kill as a mag dk. I feel like you are taking all the skill out of this game. I used to love this game for the combat system and now you are making it a literal dumb game. This game has become who has more people in a group or who has the most unmitigateable damage on their gear and bar. All I am saying is please listen to your experienced player base we are the ones that are dedicated and you keep taking a *** on us and for what? I pay dues every month to keep this game going and you just nurf and nurf and nurf. Personally I think you should do what diablo 3 did and bring all under preforming classes and sets up to the same level as everything else. That's an idea right? Why continue to nurf ***. One day with the way you are changing things in this game you will make it to where no one wants to play it anymore. I quit so many games to play this one and stay with it, but you keep nurfing the only class I want to play with no remorse to how it effects those that only play that class. You make dumb changes instead of fixing the real problems like lag or the fact you released a class that gets almost every major buff in the game thinking it wasn't going to just *** on pvp. Instead you continue to destroy the only original skilled class in the game. You continue to release broken no skill *** in this game the everyone will just abuse and no skill. Why is it so hard to just fix the already broken piece of *** game you have instead of adding more broken *** and nurfing *** over and over again. These nurfs do nothing but *** people off. Some of us don't want to play your *** ass warden class because it is the only competitive class in pvp at this point. Guess what though I still bought your *** ass Morrowind because I support this game and the player base, but you continue to nurf my class for no reason. I have done nothing but support this game but I am coming to an end with how much I can take from your combat team and the *** they do in this game for no reason. I am considering very highly leaving this game and not every coming back. Not that it matters but I am an upset dedicated player and have been for so long and I feel that you give no cares about what you do to your player base.

[Edited to remove profanity]

If you love mgdk then give them something more then a rant. Give them insight to how the nerfs and off balance changes effect the class. Present it with as much data as possible. They might listen to that.

Girl_Number8 · January 2018

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

Paganini wrote: »

I disagree with the OP. I've recently started playing magdk again, after playing some months with all kinds of classes (stamwarden, magwarden, stamplar, magplar, stamsorc, stamnb). I always create my own builds, that fit perfect for me.. And i have to say: MagDK ist pretty sick currently!! Yeah, it's not that hardcore anymore like back to 1.5/1.6, but thats called balance. Just because you're not able to easily tank and kill 6+ ppl anymore, doesn't mean your class is ***. You should maybe start finding the right setup for yourself instead of probably copying builds from other ppl

This makes me laugh....

Its pretty strong in PvP right now.

I do understand the pve rants, but claiming this will kill mDK pvp would be ridicilous.

Actually I find them really strong for duels. They are okay for PvP but not my first choice. Don't get me wrong, I luv my mgdk and I am not certainly happy with the changes at all, though that is how it goes.

Stahlor · January 2018

They are strong for duels and in PVP they still might be ok. In PVE they are just totally useless after that patch and they actually are already useless at the moment. Biggest problem is, they have to compete with other melee dds and there, stam is just so much stronger. Tell me one reason why there should be a magdk dd in a trials team after next patch. Even the Maw chainers run stam dks now.

ApeXiTT · January 2018

Most of us are pretty comfortable with the gameplay of the game ATM. The biggest complaint since beta has always been lag.
Last night I spent about 2 hours in vivec only to get kicked randomly about 6 times before just quitting. Why is ESO the only game I have loved in a long time that 150 ping is acceptable and nerfs are normal? I mean, playing competitively is already out the window with that latency. Number 1 priority should be fixing your server and then continue with these senseless nerfs.

The_Brosteen · January 2018

I feel like I see a "you hate magdk zos stop nerfing it only the best players can even use it" post almost every update.

And here we are with plenty of mag dks running around cyrodiil still.

ManDraKE · January 2018

well...we all saw the jdmoonan's "i'm a beta player, 40 years old experience pro mDK" post coming from a mile away when they posted the patch notes. It was just a matter of time haha

Ranger209 · January 2018

Jhalin wrote: »

"Balancing PvE and PvP separately is too hard"

While balancing them together is proving to be impossible. So of those two options which is preferable, "too hard" or "impossible"?

Rohamad_Ali · January 2018

Joy_Division wrote: »

Been a while since I read a good rant. and this one is a doozy.

Complains about removing an undodgable ability.

Next sentence: "I feel like you are taking all the skill out of this game."

Waffennacht · January 2018

Mag DK was OP.

If you're struggling, it's a L2P issue

AardvarkChips · January 2018

OP is the new buzz phrase for "mommy, I can't handle it...make it weaker."

ak_pvp · January 2018

Waffennacht wrote: »

Mag DK was OP.

If you're struggling, it's a L2P issue

Aren't you the person who said that warden was not OP. Haha Holy *** L2P.

jnelson1182 · February 2018

I'm still in my first month of playing eso so I can't speak for anything before that and am still learning the game so I don't know all the same info as most of you guys posting but as a playing coming to the game I would have to say don't take things away from the DK, if anything add things to the other classes that will bring thing up to even or at least as close as can be. I have a level 50 MagSoc that was my main but I enjoy using any skills that involves fire which is why I made my DK only to find out I enjoyed his skill set a ton more than the soc and that besides not being able to self heal as well as the sorcerer my DK has a much easier/faster time killing off mobs and things in the pvp environment. I am currently stuck between the two class as to which I will main due to the slight difference in there skill sets, I think sorcerer maybe better in long run but I just can't seem to ignore all the fire skills that the DK has.

IZZEFlameLash · February 2018

MDK never really overperformed ever since 1.5. Dueling against mDK is winnable. Is it strong? Yes. But does it actually make mDK viable for any sort of AvAvA play? No. Sure, it might still be strong in 1v1 after this patch even but will it be decent enough in Cyrodiil? Not really. If you think mDK is OP here, maybe you just don't know how to deal with it. If it was truly strong, and OP, no streamers or 1vXers would be playing stamden or any other stam builds.

It would've been just fine to leave it alone if they do not intend on overhauling mDK.

DDuke · February 2018

IZZESparkling wrote: »

MDK never really overperformed ever since 1.5. Dueling against mDK is winnable. Is it strong? Yes. But does it actually make mDK viable for any sort of AvAvA play? No. Sure, it might still be strong in 1v1 after this patch even but will it be decent enough in Cyrodiil? Not really. If you think mDK is OP here, maybe you just don't know how to deal with it. If it was truly strong, and OP, no streamers or 1vXers would be playing stamden or any other stam builds.

Is that why the forums are filled with mDK 1vX videos?

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/391514/magdk-two-handed-whip-slaps#latest
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/392252/magdk-1vx-montage#latest
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/392134/eso-my-first-1vx-pvp-video-magicka-dragonknight#latest
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/391814/dual-wield-resto-light-armor-magdk-magplar-gameplay-non-meta-builds#latest

Just from the first few pages... doesn't really fit your narrative.

IZZEFlameLash · February 2018

DDuke wrote: »

IZZESparkling wrote: »

MDK never really overperformed ever since 1.5. Dueling against mDK is winnable. Is it strong? Yes. But does it actually make mDK viable for any sort of AvAvA play? No. Sure, it might still be strong in 1v1 after this patch even but will it be decent enough in Cyrodiil? Not really. If you think mDK is OP here, maybe you just don't know how to deal with it. If it was truly strong, and OP, no streamers or 1vXers would be playing stamden or any other stam builds.

Is that why the forums are filled with mDK 1vX videos?

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/391514/magdk-two-handed-whip-slaps#latest
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/392252/magdk-1vx-montage#latest
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/392134/eso-my-first-1vx-pvp-video-magicka-dragonknight#latest
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/391814/dual-wield-resto-light-armor-magdk-magplar-gameplay-non-meta-builds#latest

Just from the first few pages... doesn't really fit your narrative.

I mean, 1vX videos are all snippets of their best moments. And tbh, those in 1vX videos tend to be potatoes anyways. So... point invalid there? Those same people will die to just about any other class and builds. Not sure what you are trying to say. Maybe mDK people are more prone to post their vids on the forums? Other than that, not sure what that is supposed to prove. This also doesn't mean 1vXers aren't using stam builds.

Not saying you are completely unable to do anythings. But there are better alternatives.

VaranisArano · February 2018

jnelson1182 wrote: »

I'm still in my first month of playing eso so I can't speak for anything before that and am still learning the game so I don't know all the same info as most of you guys posting but as a playing coming to the game I would have to say don't take things away from the DK, if anything add things to the other classes that will bring thing up to even or at least as close as can be. I have a level 50 MagSoc that was my main but I enjoy using any skills that involves fire which is why I made my DK only to find out I enjoyed his skill set a ton more than the soc and that besides not being able to self heal as well as the sorcerer my DK has a much easier/faster time killing off mobs and things in the pvp environment. I am currently stuck between the two class as to which I will main due to the slight difference in there skill sets, I think sorcerer maybe better in long run but I just can't seem to ignore all the fire skills that the DK has.

MagDK can be a ton of fun, just like the MagSorc. I'm glad you're enjoying both classes.

These threads are complaining about top-tier Trial DPS and extremely competitive PVP, neither of which are going to impact you anytime soon. So just relax and enjoy your magDK! Both of your classes are more than equal to dealing with overland questing content, that's for sure.

Jjitsuboy98 · February 2018

IZZESparkling wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

IZZESparkling wrote: »

MDK never really overperformed ever since 1.5. Dueling against mDK is winnable. Is it strong? Yes. But does it actually make mDK viable for any sort of AvAvA play? No. Sure, it might still be strong in 1v1 after this patch even but will it be decent enough in Cyrodiil? Not really. If you think mDK is OP here, maybe you just don't know how to deal with it. If it was truly strong, and OP, no streamers or 1vXers would be playing stamden or any other stam builds.

Is that why the forums are filled with mDK 1vX videos?

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/391514/magdk-two-handed-whip-slaps#latest
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/392252/magdk-1vx-montage#latest
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/392134/eso-my-first-1vx-pvp-video-magicka-dragonknight#latest
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/391814/dual-wield-resto-light-armor-magdk-magplar-gameplay-non-meta-builds#latest

Just from the first few pages... doesn't really fit your narrative.

I mean, 1vX videos are all snippets of their best moments. And tbh, those in 1vX videos tend to be potatoes anyways. So... point invalid there? Those same people will die to just about any other class and builds. Not sure what you are trying to say. Maybe mDK people are more prone to post their vids on the forums? Other than that, not sure what that is supposed to prove. This also doesn't mean 1vXers aren't using stam builds.

Not saying you are completely unable to do anythings. But there are better alternatives.

Potatoes? All 1vX videos are vs bad players not just Magicka dk.

IZZEFlameLash · February 2018

Jjitsuboy98 wrote: »

IZZESparkling wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

IZZESparkling wrote: »

MDK never really overperformed ever since 1.5. Dueling against mDK is winnable. Is it strong? Yes. But does it actually make mDK viable for any sort of AvAvA play? No. Sure, it might still be strong in 1v1 after this patch even but will it be decent enough in Cyrodiil? Not really. If you think mDK is OP here, maybe you just don't know how to deal with it. If it was truly strong, and OP, no streamers or 1vXers would be playing stamden or any other stam builds.

Is that why the forums are filled with mDK 1vX videos?

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/391514/magdk-two-handed-whip-slaps#latest
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/392252/magdk-1vx-montage#latest
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/392134/eso-my-first-1vx-pvp-video-magicka-dragonknight#latest
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/391814/dual-wield-resto-light-armor-magdk-magplar-gameplay-non-meta-builds#latest

Just from the first few pages... doesn't really fit your narrative.

I mean, 1vX videos are all snippets of their best moments. And tbh, those in 1vX videos tend to be potatoes anyways. So... point invalid there? Those same people will die to just about any other class and builds. Not sure what you are trying to say. Maybe mDK people are more prone to post their vids on the forums? Other than that, not sure what that is supposed to prove. This also doesn't mean 1vXers aren't using stam builds.

Not saying you are completely unable to do anythings. But there are better alternatives.

Potatoes? All 1vX videos are vs bad players not just Magicka dk.

Isn't that what I just said? It is not exclusive to mDK being able to 1vX. Potatoes are the X in the vids usually.

Gothren · February 2018

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BxBourne · November 2018

DK's definitely need an execute. It's almost like DK'S were meant to only be a support toon for PVE that can tank and provide great damage in PVE and not be a PVP toon. Why I say that is because in PVP some of the must have of a toon are not there which are sustain and execute ability and to top it off mag dk abilities are expensive which makes sustain difficult. If you want data ask around, the majority of the community agrees & that should be enough and if you want more data look at all the damn assists a mag dk gets in bg's Iam sure zenimax has that data. Now to keep an open mind is there something that were missing when it comes to how to play successfully in PVP as a mag dk? is there a specific build out there that puts this issue to rest? Are we playing mag dk wrong? Do we have the wrong set up or abilities? Don't get me wrong mag dk's sometimes has success in PVP but not nearly as much as other toons and trust me any wins we do get in PVP we worked super hard to get, ask around. With all the veteran skilled players out there and all the builds out there I don't think we're doing anything wrong I think we're doing everything we can to sustain and try to finish a player in PVP. If someone out there including zenimax @zos_ginabruno has the secret or insight please share and enlighten us.