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Briarheart Set - Does it really need a cooldown?
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davey1107✭✭✭✭✭
✭As a heavy BH user (I worked soooo hard for that first set w purple jewelry, lol) I’ve always been happy with it. Would I take a buff? Sure. But I think it performs as one of the five most potent damage stam sets.It’s really ideal for a stamblade Crit build. It works well on a stam sorc too.
I don’t think it’s really weaker than Ravager. For one, it has max stam instead of max health...that’s worth ~100 weapon damage. But comparing these sets is a bit apples to oranges...Ravager is designed for heavy armor melee builds, which need dps help. BH feels like it was really designed for a stamblade, and so those heals are worth a lot.
But I’d take a buff any time, ha. At least this set seems to function correctly. Some other sets feel like their RPG goes wonky.1 -
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Silver_Strider wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »@Silver_Strider there is a huge difference between the sets you are comparing too, one is direct Critical Damage and the other is any critical damage. If scathing was any crit damage, it would be on every mag dps in the game.
Even so, Scathing is still much more rewarding in its entirety in comparison to Briar
Not really, do you understand what direct damage is? It is not a dot. Meaning unless you are using force pulse, you get one a second. That is it. 20% on the percentage of your crit amkes the set up for a really low low amount, like a lower then 50% most the time in real game applications. The only time scathing set was really good was when the nightblade skill twisting path was considered direct damage, which it certainly isn't and you could get AOE direct Damage plus force pulse, this would lead to a high uptime, like over the 57% it would need to beat julinanos.
Not to mention that Stam toons get access to 10% to 18% more crit then mag toons, so this set would be up more then scathing even if the proc conditions were exactly the same.
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Silver_Strider✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Silver_Strider wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »@Silver_Strider there is a huge difference between the sets you are comparing too, one is direct Critical Damage and the other is any critical damage. If scathing was any crit damage, it would be on every mag dps in the game.
Even so, Scathing is still much more rewarding in its entirety in comparison to Briar
Not really, do you understand what direct damage is? It is not a dot. Meaning unless you are using force pulse, you get one a second. That is it. 20% on the percentage of your crit amkes the set up for a really low low amount, like a lower then 50% most the time in real game applications. The only time scathing set was really good was when the nightblade skill twisting path was considered direct damage, which it certainly isn't and you could get AOE direct Damage plus force pulse, this would lead to a high uptime, like over the 57% it would need to beat julinanos.
Not to mention that Stam toons get access to 10% to 18% more crit then mag toons, so this set would be up more then scathing even if the proc conditions were exactly the same.
I'm well aware that Scathing doesn't work with DoTs, I still prefer it on my Magblade over Julianos though.Argonian forever0 -
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭@Silver_Strider then you are losing dps compared to Julinanos, unless you can keep it up over the 57% of the time. Which would be amazing if you could.Edited by Lightspeedflashb14_ESO on January 24, 2018 7:54PM0 -
Silver_Strider✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »@Silver_Strider then you are losing dps compared to Julinanos, unless you can keep it up over the 57% of the time. Which would be amazing if you could.
I'm in the ballpark of 61-64% uptime but I'm an Argonian so my pots give me a bit more sustain to actually keep that number and since my Damage is already lower than most, I think Scathing helps to bridge that gap a little bit than if I went Julianos.Argonian forever0 -
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Briarheart has a cooldown?
News to me.
literally in the description.When you deal Critical Damage, you have a 10% chance to increase your Weapon Damage by 449 for 10 seconds. While this effect is active, your Critical Strikes heal you for 609 Health. This effect can occur once every 15 seconds.
since the cool down start when the set procs, that means the most you can have it up is 2/3 of the time (10/15 seconds)0 -
The cooldown is 5s too long imo, and the % chance to procc is a tad low aswell. Compared to heavy armor sets this is pretty lackluster.
Well if you play stamina DD with bets PDS build, its enough bc you have 5 DoTs runing pernamently ( poisn arrow, endles hail, clatrops, twin slashes, deadly cloak) and only form this DoTs with around 60-70% crit chance you have Briar proc up at CD. I run on ma stamplar briar + warmachine sets and is rly easy get 30k dps on skeleton without trial buff, and over 50k wit trial buffsAdraria Argentum Draco - imperial Stamplar
Bevdyen Tus Ntxhuav - Orc Stamplar
Celestun Ira Dei- Imperial Tankplar
Halldis Rautt Höfuð- Nord Tankplar
Misawa Yoshike - Breton Healplar
Lae'ozhael - Dunmer Magplar1 -
raj72616a✭✭✭✭✭briarheart works on DoT? iirc it's not stated in the description, but it only proc on direct damage, not on DoT0 -
briarheart works on DoT? iirc it's not stated in the description, but it only proc on direct damage, not on DoT
it say:"When you deal Critical Damage, you have a 10% chance to increase your Weapon Damage by 449 for 10 seconds. While this effect is active, your Critical Strikes heal you for 609 Health. This effect can occur once every 15 seconds."
and think its proc on dots bc on my stamplar only what is not cosideret as dot in my rotation is HA/LA and PoL and its up rly rly often.
EDIT: its rly easy confirm it yous pout clatrops under sceleton and watch, i am 100% it procin from biting jabs which are consideret as dots ( jabs procing scortia). and in easier dung i mostly spaming only jabs and briar is up form this (and you cannot miss his sound and graphic efekt of briar)
Edited by Swen_von_Walhallion on January 25, 2018 12:20PMAdraria Argentum Draco - imperial Stamplar
Bevdyen Tus Ntxhuav - Orc Stamplar
Celestun Ira Dei- Imperial Tankplar
Halldis Rautt Höfuð- Nord Tankplar
Misawa Yoshike - Breton Healplar
Lae'ozhael - Dunmer Magplar2 -
xiZeroPointix✭✭✭The cooldown is 5s too long imo, and the % chance to procc is a tad low aswell. Compared to heavy armor sets this is pretty lackluster.
Compared to heavy armor sets, everything is lackluster. Compared to light armor sets like BSW or Scathing Mage, Briarheart is considerably stronger.
BSW and SM are both better than Briarheart - bigger bonuses with much higher proc chances on the right builds.
Yep and you also get the added spell penetration of the light armor passive making briarheart the worst of bsw..sm..and as well as heavy sets because they offer 200 more weapon damage and resource return from constitution0 -
Didgerion✭✭✭✭✭
✭Briarheart 5pc - When you deal Critical Damage, you have a 10% chance to increase your Weapon Damage by 449 for 10 seconds. While this effect is active, your Critical Strikes heal you for 609 Health. This effect can occur once every 15 seconds.
The proc weapon damage bonus is ~50% greater than Hunding's, yes, but with the cool-down the weapon damage bonus is nearly identical.
Now, Briarheart has a lower effective proc chance than sets like Ravager (since crit rating on most builds is ~40-60%) but much lower weapon damage in addition to having no cooldown. Armor of Truth has about the same weapon damage as Briarheart but also has no cooldown and basically a 100% proc chance if you know what you're doing.
IMO the heal on Briarheart is not sufficient reason to add a cooldown - 609 hp every time you crit is quite low. In PvP the heal is pretty negligible.
As a bow user, I would actually find this set attractive if not for the cooldown. The cooldown kills the viability of the set.
What do you guys think? Remove the cooldown @ZOS_Wrobel ?
I think you don't use it right.
You don't need 100% up time on it.
Just make it part of your rotation: DPS while it is up, self buff and reapply AOEs between the procs.
Also its heal is always handy as when you are fully focused on your DPS rotation you have that extra heals that keep you brain more relaxed.
And as you mentioned with the armor of truth - you don't need to think to proc it - keeping your rotation up is a lot of work already - you don't need a distraction.0 -
ecru✭✭✭✭✭
✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Briarheart has a cooldown?
News to me.
literally in the description.When you deal Critical Damage, you have a 10% chance to increase your Weapon Damage by 449 for 10 seconds. While this effect is active, your Critical Strikes heal you for 609 Health. This effect can occur once every 15 seconds.
since the cool down start when the set procs, that means the most you can have it up is 2/3 of the time (10/15 seconds)
Have you actually tested that?
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Chilly-McFreeze✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Briarheart has a cooldown?
News to me.
literally in the description.When you deal Critical Damage, you have a 10% chance to increase your Weapon Damage by 449 for 10 seconds. While this effect is active, your Critical Strikes heal you for 609 Health. This effect can occur once every 15 seconds.
since the cool down start when the set procs, that means the most you can have it up is 2/3 of the time (10/15 seconds)
Have you actually tested that?
Are you arguing that bh has no cooldown?
Since it was mentioned by some, what is the Problem with bh being better than a crafted hundings or a heavy armor set? Take a Look at pvp and you'll see the problem with highest dmg sets being Heavy.1 -
Solariken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Briarheart has a cooldown?
News to me.
literally in the description.When you deal Critical Damage, you have a 10% chance to increase your Weapon Damage by 449 for 10 seconds. While this effect is active, your Critical Strikes heal you for 609 Health. This effect can occur once every 15 seconds.
since the cool down start when the set procs, that means the most you can have it up is 2/3 of the time (10/15 seconds)
Have you actually tested that?
Unless something has changed since the Orsinium patch cycle then yes Bh obeys the cooldown.0 -
Jaraal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭As a heavy BH user (I worked soooo hard for that first set w purple jewelry, lol) I’ve always been happy with it. Would I take a buff? Sure. But I think it performs as one of the five most potent damage stam sets.It’s really ideal for a stamblade Crit build. It works well on a stam sorc too.Unless something has changed since the Orsinium patch cycle then yes Bh obeys the cooldown.
Run the BH weapon(s) and jewelry with the Seventh Legion Brute set (or vice versa if you are a medium build), and you are proc healing almost 100% of the time and adding close to 1k weapon damage when both are up.
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LiquidPony✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Briarheart 5pc - When you deal Critical Damage, you have a 10% chance to increase your Weapon Damage by 449 for 10 seconds. While this effect is active, your Critical Strikes heal you for 609 Health. This effect can occur once every 15 seconds.
The proc weapon damage bonus is ~50% greater than Hunding's, yes, but with the cooldown the weapon damage bonus is nearly identical.
Now, Briarheart has a lower effective proc chance than sets like Ravager (since crit rating on most builds is ~40-60%) but much lower weapon damage in addition to Ravager having no cooldown. Armor of Truth has about the same weapon damage as Briarheart but also has no cooldown and basically a 100% proc chance if you know what you're doing.
IMO the heal on Briarheart is not sufficient reason to add a cooldown - 609 hp every time you crit is quite low. In PvP the heal is pretty negligible.
As a bow user, I would actually find this set attractive if not for the cooldown. The cooldown kills the viability of the set.
What do you guys think? Remove the cooldown @ZOS_Wrobel ?
Crit rating on most PvE stam builds is more than 40-60%.
Ravager procs *only* on direct melee damage, with an 8% chance. Briarheart procs on *any* critical damage with a 10% chance. Get a few DoTs rolling and it reliably procs off of cooldown. Briarheart also has an extra DPS-oriented set bonus compared to Ravager which has a max health bonus. And the only reason Ravager is a thing on most builds is because Relequen procs it. Without that, nothing other than a stamplar can keep the uptime where it needs to be.
And if you are comparing Briarheart to Hunding's as a *front-bar* set, Briarheart's bonus is much larger, since the Hunding's bonus will only be on average ~70% of its tooltip accounting for time spent on the back bar.
At least for PvE, Briarheart is a really good set. It may not be BiS but it's in the next tier.Edited by LiquidPony on August 12, 2018 5:44PM2