Stop promoting racism!

Aquanova · January 2018

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Aquanova wrote: »

JamuThatsWho wrote: »

Aquanova wrote: »

I said this 4 years ago. Racial passives along with races being exclusive to factions is what generally contributed to faction imbalance.

"What's lore?"

This is a competitive game, SCREW the lore! The Elder scrolls we're always a single player game with no PvP or competitiveness at all.

You silly Carebears and your lore

Might want to consider some other game if this is your approach to ESO.

My approach to ESO is called common sense. All ZOS had to do to help with faction imbalance due to racial passive was to allow players to choose any race when they created their character instead of hiding that option behind a pay wall. In the game you'll find npc races who are not native to that faction. Follows "Lore" doesn't it?

What's wrong with that approach?

Merlin13KAGL · January 2018

You realize racism is built into the game. At least one Alliance and at least two of the races have pretty deep roots built around it.

Unless you're min/max'ing, race is not going to make or break any build. You may have to work a little harder at it, but you can still make it work.

What needs to happen is along with those racial bonuses, there should be racial negatives, too. Get some resistance to cold? Reasonable that you'd have weakness to fire, etc.

That would make choosing a race for the benefits a more slippery slope.

Aquanova · January 2018

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

You realize racism is built into the game. At least one Alliance and at least two of the races have pretty deep roots built around it.

Unless you're min/max'ing, race is not going to make or break any build. You may have to work a little harder at it, but you can still make it work.

What needs to happen is along with those racial bonuses, there should be racial negatives, too. Get some resistance to cold? Reasonable that you'd have weakness to fire, etc.

That would make choosing a race for the benefits a more slippery slope.

I agree there should have been some negative racial aspects of choosing a race to help balance them out but I think it's too late to add something like that now. If vulnerabilities we're added now the games population would take another nose dive.

Cave_Canem · January 2018

Shezzarrine wrote: »

The Elder Scrolls lore is too deep to ignore issues like racism that are prevalent even in our world where everyone is human, could you even imagine if we had different sentient species?

We don't have to imagine, we share this planet with other sentient species; we generally put them in zoos, aquatic theme parks, labs and occasionally folks hunt them for trophys, potions or food when we're not too busy destroying their habitats.

Frankly, we are the Dunmer and all other species are less than the Argonians in our eyes.

swippy · January 2018

Woeler wrote: »

Also Khajiit are clearly superior in every way to the other races. They deserve to dominate Nirn as overlords.

it seems clear to me that Khajiit have a different type of psychology than other races. there's the obvious reluctance to use first-person pronouns, and the -- perhaps related -- alternative view of personal propriety. also, if i'm remembering correctly, they only seem to organize themselves into complex civilizations under extreme duress, when tradition and nomadism actually threaten survival of the race.

they instead seem very comfortable mingling with other types of people, in general. i only recall off-hand a few expressions of resentment toward a people. they're not the only ones confused by the Green customs of Valenwood, the uneasiness with the Nords in Skyrim seemed to be mostly a reaction to the Nords' general xenophobia, and their distaste of Dunmer is often attributed to their "stuffiness" which is an obvious difference in culture, or may be more deep-seated as a response to the history of slavery. even the most experienced and confident Khajiit often exhibit a "fish out of water" feeling when faced with the strictures of custom in other cultures.

it's quite rare to find a Khajiit in a position of leadership of large import over anyone other than fellow Khajiit, and the strongest counter-example is likely an exceptional individual. they just don't seem to gravitate towards hierarchical structures of personnel (not even in their mythology) and generally reject impositional concepts like law and order. rather, their psychology allows them to thrive in chaos. this seems to imply that successful ambition would lead to an unsustainable corruption.

so basically, i think they lack the capacity for organization that would allow them to rule as overlords.

(btw i love to be proven wrong. i always learn more that way.)

Uviryth · January 2018

I can only imagine how much money ZOS makes with the Respecc-Tokens, which means equality will never happen.

TheShadowScout · January 2018

Sanct16 wrote: »

Racial passives should not provide any combat related buffs but be limited to "roleplay things" as already exist with things like less environmental lava damage or more swim speed.

...bullsh... uhm... male bovine organic waste product!

Racial passives ought to reflect the racial adaptation and peculiarities as outlined by the lore. Like nords having generations of natural seelction towards toughness and cold adaptation. Like elven bloodlines carrying some sort of magical affinity. Like redguards being all about fighting prowess, and selective breeding for untold generations towards it. Like argonians being scaly swamplizards, and khajiit fluff cats!

Now, -how- that ought to be depicted is more something one can argue about. Personally I would much prefer something a bit less hefty in the endgame... (maybe, bring softcaps back and just let the racial boni help people reach is sooner), but that's a different disccussion...

Ruckly wrote: »

They are made up races in a made up world similar to that created by Tolkien. The fellowship of the ring had varying races each with varying strengths and weaknesses. The fellowship wasn't made up of 9 equivalent races in V-stripe jumpsuits. They might be equal in the eyes of Eru but they are not equivalent.

Well typed!

By the way, the spirit of racism is not that races are -different-, it is that any one race is inheritently -superior-.

Some races have advantages in some things, due to generations of adaptation. Others in other fields their ancestors adapted to. That's how we got human sub-races in the first place. Tamriel just started with a way more diverse selection to diverge from, not merely a *** sapiens to adapt to various lands, but also elves and beast races.

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Now, Tamriel -does- have its share of racism. Lore-driven racism, like altmer thinking they ought to be in charge just because of their golden skin, or dunmer thinking its okay to enslave argonians just because they are mere lizards (and we know from the lore, the tables will turn on them, Big Time, in the fourth era... Karma, huh?).

And players can roleplay their part through it. Play a racist altmer or play a xenophiliac altmer, play a downtrodden argonian ex-slave or a proud argonian shadowscale freedom fighter, play a slaveholder dunmer, or a abolitionist dunmer trying to make up for their awful brethren.
As they wish.

But it is very, very fitting to the setting. And it is also fitting that the depictions of racism in ESO often points out how silly it really is to just assume superiority merely because of race.

zaria · January 2018

Uviryth wrote: »

I can only imagine how much money ZOS makes with the Respecc-Tokens, which means equality will never happen.

Don't think its an major income, most players are too causual.
Most who do it probably think the effect is far more than 10%.

ZOS_Mika · January 2018

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