Stop promoting racism!

Kiara · January 2018

I agree with the OP, racial passives should be roleplay only, so we don't have to see such ridicolous things like half EP being Altmers and half AD being argonians.

But it doesn't matter at all, because ESO is mmo in first place, Elder Scrolls after.

Nihilanth · January 2018

Imo we should be able to pick some kind of "class" like in Oblivion. Archer, warrior, paladin etc etc with different passive abilities. Its kinda lame only a few or even one race is viable for certain classes

VaranisArano · January 2018

Leandor wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

AngelFires333 wrote: »

It would be nice to play any race for any roll.
Dunmer - Nightblade
Nord - 2 handed warrior based off of stamina able to wear heavy armor and still get plenty of stam. (I can not stand S/B)
etc, etc.

And still be competitive.

Unless you are judging "competitive" by the ability to get top-tier DPS in a DPS contest or by being the first choice of top-tier trial leaderboard teams, ALL races/class combinations can be competitive.

ALL race/class combinations can complete all the content in the game as long as the player behind them has sufficient skill and experience. Now, you may not find a Trials leaderboard group that wants to take you on a leaderboard run because they could have a more optimal build in your place, but that's a very narrow definition of competitive.

Short of finding a top-tier trials team, if you are struggling with completing any content on a non-optimal race/class combo - I hate to say it - its not the race/class that's the problem. Its your skill as a player.

(Your two examples are really strange. Dunmer make fine Magblades and have some bonuses for a DW stamblade. Nords with two handed and heavy armor - have you looked at PVP lately? Neither of these are the most optimal choice for that class and build, but they'll work perfectly fine.)

Well, in a pvp environment, where all resources are important, a 10% bonus on a resource (e.g. altmer magicka) ist extremely strong.

So, I disagree that racial bonuses are "only important for extreme top end dps". Playing a non optimum race for a class does significantly influence performance in pvp. Which is why I tend to oppose the notion of removing "any eace, any alliance".

Even in PVP, player skill is going to make a much bigger difference. Sure I could swap my Dunmer StamWarden to a Redguard and see an improvement in certain areas. But ultimately my success in PVP depends not on a little bit of extra stam regen or stam, it depends on how well I play that character. I can misuse a Dunmer just as badly as I can misuse a Redguard.

In other words, any fight that I win on my Dunmer, I would have won on a Redguard. On any fight that I lose with my Dunmer, going for a more optimal race was not going to make a difference. That may not be true of every player, but its true for me and I'm not really interested in the hypothetical debates about two players of equal skill but different races.

Iccotak · January 2018

On a roleplay note;
The game could use more dialogue that is influenced by the race we chose.
I am confused by the little amount of discrimination my Argonian character receives in Vvardenfel.

VaranisArano · January 2018

Iccotak wrote: »

On a roleplay note;
The game could use more dialogue that is influenced by the race we chose.
I am confused by the little amount of discrimination my Argonian character receives in Vvardenfel.

There are so many outlanders running around that its just not worth the effort anymore.

idk · January 2018

Sanct16 wrote: »

Racial passives should not provide any combat related buffs but be limited to "roleplay things" as already exist with things like less environmental lava damage or more swim speed.

Say NO to racism!

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Actually, they should be. Not only is it part of ESO lore, though the passives have changed some in each ESO game, it also adds some interesting depth to the game.

I like that the choice or race, like everything else with a character, has an affect. It is great and adds some depth vs the flat lame appearance aspect found in games such as SWTOR and such.

JamuThatsWho · January 2018

Oh boy, just wait til OP finds out Argonians and Khajiit are used as slaves.

johnnified · January 2018

Kiara wrote: »

I agree with the OP, racial passives should be roleplay only, so we don't have to see such ridicolous things like half EP being Altmers and half AD being argonians.

But it doesn't matter at all, because ESO is mmo in first place, Elder Scrolls after.

But your post is racist then too. You are saying people can't be factions because of race. How dare you limit them because of their race.

In the same post you talk about passives, as if passive somehow connect to factions or have anything to do with how someone is in a faction. Didn't matter what they are in, they still have those passive. Stop trying to connect subjects that don't exist.

So you are saying people are not allowed to acknowledge what makes their race better? Khajiit's can crawl and sneak better, so it is racist against Bretons because they can't be born with that? Argonians are lizards that can swim with ease, nothing racist about acknowledging that. Dunmer pride themselves in their ability to rule and be mages. They hone the power of fire, nothing wrong with acknowledging that.

So how about this, you are completely correct, it is an mmo. You want the bonuses of a certain race you are happy to delete your character and change races

(or by a token).

IT's a game, shut the hell up.

Aquanova · January 2018

I said this 4 years ago. Racial passives along with races being exclusive to factions is what generally contributed to faction imbalance.

JamuThatsWho · January 2018

Aquanova wrote: »

I said this 4 years ago. Racial passives along with races being exclusive to factions is what generally contributed to faction imbalance.

"What's lore?"

Gallowmere · January 2018

I wish forums where left un-moderated for a couple of days, this thread would be pure gold.

Wing · January 2018

I too expect a cat person, lizard person, elf, and human to all be perfectly equal at every task regardless of their dramatic physiological differences or aptitude with "magic".

. . . .hmmm, when you type it out it sounds pretty dumb actually.

Magdalina · January 2018

LMAO. Thanks for a laugh to start my day with

You should absolutely continue with other quality stuff like "Let's stop unnecessary murder!", "Say no to satanism in video games"(daedra are demons, aren't they?), "Enough promoting crime by allowing people to steal and murder in ESO" etc.

Appleblade · January 2018

Sleep724 wrote: »

I was under the impression that OP was using humor to get a point across.
Could be wrong.

It’s hard to tell anymore. There was a flurry of articles last year by people who thought drinking milk is racist. They’re crazy people. I’m waiting for astronomy to get harassed by the term “black holes.”

That being said the OP didn’t really have the usual SJW indicators, and was using “racism” to get attention to their beef with a game mechanic.

Nemesis7884 · January 2018

honestly, the only thing i think could be nice is if the passives would be more balanced in a way that is still lore friendly but at the same time makes the races more balanced for either stam or magicka to promote diversity

Nemesis7884 · January 2018

Appleblade wrote: »

Sleep724 wrote: »

I was under the impression that OP was using humor to get a point across.
Could be wrong.

It’s hard to tell anymore. There was a flurry of articles last year by people who thought drinking milk is racist. They’re crazy people. I’m waiting for astronomy to get harassed by the term “black holes.”

That being said the OP didn’t really have the usual SJW indicators, and was using “racism” to get attention to their beef with a game mechanic.

drinking milk, not making eye contact, being polite is also racist as it promotes the current white supremacist structure of etiquette, saying that you're not racist means obviously that you're a racist (but so does saying THAT you are a racist) and disagreeing with someone obviously means youre a ***.

remember people - EVERYTHING is racist, EVERYTHING is sexist - and you have to point it ALL out ^^

Vaoh · January 2018

Demycilian wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

It's equally sad that you think Khajiit are superior when the only thing they excell at is being a rug or a public transport for flees!

Tamriels profoundly disturbing attitude towards the cats is why the Khajiit always end up being in bed with the Altmer.

....as blankets?

Ruckly · January 2018

JamilaRaj wrote: »

Ruckly wrote: »

They are made up races in a made up world similar to that created by Tolkien. The fellowship of the ring had varying races each with varying strengths and weaknesses. The fellowship wasn't made up of 9 equivalent races in V-stripe jumpsuits. They might be equal in the eyes of Eru but they are not equivalent.

Except that weaknesses tend to pile up the further a race is from Eru or Valar, i.e. races and even different groups within the same race are odered in pretty strict hierarchy of higher and lesser races/groups.
Also, there were apparently higher and lesser genders, given that of all nine members of the fellowship, only Legolas was female. Which is something MMOs do not dare to replicate, e.g. in form of gender passives.

I am going to assume you watched the movies and never read the books. I am not even going to say what the real world institution your paragraph describes is.

MLGProPlayer · January 2018

I agree. We should be able to play whatever race we want, without being gimped for our choice.

HatchetHaro · January 2018

I fully agree that racial passives should not affect combat effectiveness.

While this is a TES game, ESO is the only one with a built-in competitive aspect. It gives people much, much more incentive to play what is most effective for their role rather than what they enjoy, and as a result you get people who play "suboptimal" races for their role being mocked for playing a "suboptimal" race for their role.

It's a whole new brand of elitism, something that I didn't think would be possible but has happened to me, multiple times, even. Something about being an Argonian-exclusive damage dealer in the end-game trials scene just doesn't click right with people.

I love Argonians. I love their culture and their lore and simply how great they look. Does that mean I have to sacrifice my enjoyment of the game just to perform better by playing a different race?

Betsararie · January 2018

HatchetHaro wrote: »

Something about being an Argonian-exclusive damage dealer in the end-game trials scene just doesn't click right with people.

I'm not super into the competitive end game trial scene (something I have a lot of respect for), but just to inform you, solely being an argonian-only DD would mean that, in many circumstances, your race is sub-optimal in terms of damage potential. Being that the goal is optimization to the highest extent possible, this would explain your dilemma. By only allowing yourself to choose the race "you have" to choose, you (possibly inadvertently) fly in the face of the objective of the group. There's no reason they have to take you if you flat-out refuse to conform to the standards.

HatchetHaro wrote: »

I love Argonians. I love their culture and their lore and simply how great they look. Does that mean I have to sacrifice my enjoyment of the game just to perform better by playing a different race?

No. You don't have to do anything. You can make a decision- play your preferred race despite the consequences, or prioritize optimization and thus play whatever race is optimal for your role. Being that this is an ES game, the various races are, indeed, central to gameplay, and from my recollection have always come with the various "bells and whistles" which distinguish them. It certainly wasn't something that surprised me when I started playing this game, I had played Elder Scrolls games for many years and they had always incorporated this concept.

blacksghost · January 2018

Each race is shown as having unique positive characteristics. I’d say that was more celebrating diversity than racism.

On the other hand I wish eso would stop rewarding theft and larceny. Morrowind I’m looking at you particularly.

Ozstryker · January 2018

Dunmer lives matter...

ccfeeling · January 2018

I paid to change from Wood Elf to Argonian .

Reason is simple , effective !

NB tank resource system was nerfed on the ground , no idea but ZOS keep doing this , thank you! ( Guess pvp complain result )
Potion passive become my only life saver .

Aebaradath · January 2018

Seeing threads like these make me want to terminate my ESO account. Again.

Glurin · January 2018

Appleblade wrote: »

It’s hard to tell anymore. There was a flurry of articles last year by people who thought drinking milk is racist. They’re crazy people. I’m waiting for astronomy to get harassed by the term “black holes.”

You're late to the party. We had that battle back in '08.

Not kidding.

Aquanova · January 2018

JamuThatsWho wrote: »

Aquanova wrote: »

I said this 4 years ago. Racial passives along with races being exclusive to factions is what generally contributed to faction imbalance.

"What's lore?"

This is a competitive game, SCREW the lore! The Elder scrolls we're always a single player game with no PvP or competitiveness at all.

You silly Carebears and your lore

Chilly-McFreeze · January 2018

Aquanova wrote: »

JamuThatsWho wrote: »

Aquanova wrote: »

I said this 4 years ago. Racial passives along with races being exclusive to factions is what generally contributed to faction imbalance.

"What's lore?"

This is a competitive game, SCREW the lore! The Elder scrolls we're always a single player game with no PvP or competitiveness at all.

You silly Carebears and your lore

Might want to consider some other game if this is your approach to ESO.

ScardyFox · January 2018

Post like this - and people who perpetuate these kinds of post are the reason why my brain turns off when I see the word "racsism" or anything akin to it nowadays.

Bam_Bam · January 2018

Aelakhaii_De_Mythos wrote: »

What about a cluster of races though, cause i think AD are biologically and spiritually > EP and DC combined.

Until you see a fancy-pants altmer trying to drink mead!