Low cp easiest class to achieve 25k dps?

rikimm16_ESO · January 2018

My only lvl 50 is a cp200 StamSorc and when I tried the dummy for the first time it did 5k dps, so I tried it again with a diff rotation and got 6k dps XD.

I know that with practice, higher cp and better gear I can increase it to 25k+, but I would like to know if there’s a class out there that without optimal setup, easy rotation, and low cp can output around 20k dps or so.

Vapirko · January 2018

Stam DK has a very easy rotation. It’s all heavy attack weaves and you could prob hit 20k dps with just hundings rage and spriggans pretty easily even with low CP. You can use the same setup on stam sorc btw. And you should also be able to hit 20k. But look if your dps is 5k then you’re not even on the right track. You need to fully level your wpn and armor skills and all your passives and then you need to learn a proper rotation. You can hit 5k dps just by heavy attacking probably. I suggest trying to look at Alcasthq.com he does good beginner guides for all builds.

rikimm16_ESO · January 2018

Tried it again and got 8k dps. I did a lot of mistakes in my rotation and I find it complicated.
Hail/potion/trap/rendering/shrouded/cloak/hurricane... classic stamsorc skills (I don’t have caltrops yet).
So I know I can reach at least 15k if I had the correct gear sets etc... (the only full set I have on is 7th legion which I know is not for dps) but my problem is that I find the rotation too complicated.

What about MagSorc, is it easier to achieve 20k than a dram sorc?
I don’t want to creat a DK yet before the patch hits so I can level him up and get the free stuff.

Valykc · January 2018

I’d second Stam DK or Xynode’s Easy Mode Sorc Build that uses Netch’s touch, Spider Cultist and heavy attacks. Pretty easy build rotation too, just drop the vMA Staff for a random Gold staff or set piece staff if you have it. You’ll have l as Dps but should still push over 25K however the future off balance changes might lower your overall dps as well.

VonNelson · January 2018

Think it’s not too difficult getting to 20k dps with a mag sorc but that’s no help when you are playing a stam sorc!

I also have love for stam sorc but can’t reliably top 15k on practice dummy. King of dps is Stamblade but is a ball ache if you don’t know what you are doing- I don’t know what I’m doing

Make sure you are all stamina and have some sets that support critical % and damage.

What weapon do you use?

pteam · January 2018

rikimm16_ESO wrote: »

Tried it again and got 8k dps. I did a lot of mistakes in my rotation and I find it complicated.
Hail/potion/trap/rendering/shrouded/cloak/hurricane... classic stamsorc skills (I don’t have caltrops yet).
So I know I can reach at least 15k if I had the correct gear sets etc... (the only full set I have on is 7th legion which I know is not for dps) but my problem is that I find the rotation too complicated.

What about MagSorc, is it easier to achieve 20k than a dram sorc?
I don’t want to creat a DK yet before the patch hits so I can level him up and get the free stuff.

There’s half your problem your only using 1 full set and it’s not even a dps set... also you need to watch rotations and how to do them. A lot of times they require weaving light attacks in between each skill

Can you tell us your full setup of gear and weapons and what skills your using?

rikimm16_ESO · January 2018

I did the dummy again with a better set, go 10.2k... also getting better at rotation.

I’m using 3 spring armor, 1 spring mace, 1 spring neck, 2 morag armor (weap dmg), two 7th legion ring (weap dmg), one random dagger, one random bow, 2 auton armor.

I try to do: LA / hail/ la / poison/ la / trap / swap / rendering / ha / hurricane / ha / cloak / ha / shrouded / swap and repeate

Oreyn_Bearclaw · January 2018

Hands down the easiest way to hit 25k on a dummy in this game is with a double pet magic sorc heavy attack rotation. There are a dozen different variations on what is essentially the same build, but that is as easy as it gets. 4-5 skills, 2 heavy attacks, repeat. That said, stam sorc isnt exactly rocket science. Stam rotation (save NB) are all fairly straightforward (although not as simple as magic sorc). 25k at your CP level is perfectly doable on a stam sorc. The thing is that when it comes to actually playing the game (not standing in front of a dummy that doesnt hit back) stam is generally much more difficult to play. At melee range, you simply have to deal with more mechanics.

2 Builds I highly suggest looking at. Both can hit 40k on a dummy assuming you have major breach/fracture, and neither have difficult rotations. You probably wont have access to all the gear, but any reasonable DPS sets should allow you to break 25k.

Stam Sorc

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/hatchetharos-rising-storm-stamina-sorcerer-pve-dps/

Magic Sorc

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/the-charged-sorcerer-pve-dps-build/

rikimm16_ESO wrote: »

I did the dummy again with a better set, go 10.2k... also getting better at rotation.

I’m using 3 spring armor, 1 spring mace, 1 spring neck, 2 morag armor (weap dmg), two 7th legion ring (weap dmg), one random dagger, one random bow, 2 auton armor.

I try to do: LA / hail/ la / poison/ la / trap / swap / rendering / ha / hurricane / ha / cloak / ha / shrouded / swap and repeate

Rotation is more important than gear, but that setup is frankly atrocious. For a stamina player running DW, you should have 2 5-piece sets and a monster set on your front bar (5/5/2). You have 5 spriggon (assuming thats what you meant with "Spring" otherwise, no idea what you are talking about), 2 MT, 2 7th. and 2 dead sets. Look for two 5 piece sets that give penetration and/or weapon damage. 5 spriggans and 5 Hundings/Nightmothers/automaton (your call) is where I would start. Also maces kinda suck. Run double dagger.

As to that rotation, a few things. It's not far off, but I would put a heavy attack in front of rending as well and I would get caltrops from PVP. Caltrops is pretty important for stamina DPS. You could also try to do 2 shrouded daggers with light attacks instead of one with a heavy attack as long as your stamina is in a good spot. The build I linked uses a slightly different setup (no daggers) but daggers is max DPS i believe. The nice thing about the rotation i posted is that you have room for power surge on your bar, which makes staying alive much easier. It still pulls 50k+ single target in a good raid no problem.

KingYogi415 · January 2018

At least get some hunding rage crafted for you to try.

You are in a pvp set.

Lord_Eomer · January 2018

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Hands down the easiest way to hit 25k on a dummy in this game is with a double pet magic sorc heavy attack rotation. There are a dozen different variations on what is essentially the same build, but that is as easy as it gets. 4-5 skills, 2 heavy attacks, repeat. That said, stam sorc isnt exactly rocket science. Stam rotation (save NB) are all fairly straightforward (although not as simple as magic sorc). 25k at your CP level is perfectly doable on a stam sorc. The thing is that when it comes to actually playing the game (not standing in front of a dummy that doesnt hit back) stam is generally much more difficult to play. At melee range, you simply have to deal with more mechanics.

2 Builds I highly suggest looking at. Both can hit 40k on a dummy assuming you have major breach/fracture, and neither have difficult rotations. You probably wont have access to all the gear, but any reasonable DPS sets should allow you to break 25k.

Stam Sorc

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/hatchetharos-rising-storm-stamina-sorcerer-pve-dps/

Magic Sorc

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/the-charged-sorcerer-pve-dps-build/

rikimm16_ESO wrote: »

I did the dummy again with a better set, go 10.2k... also getting better at rotation.

I’m using 3 spring armor, 1 spring mace, 1 spring neck, 2 morag armor (weap dmg), two 7th legion ring (weap dmg), one random dagger, one random bow, 2 auton armor.

I try to do: LA / hail/ la / poison/ la / trap / swap / rendering / ha / hurricane / ha / cloak / ha / shrouded / swap and repeate

Rotation is more important than gear, but that setup is frankly atrocious. For a stamina player running DW, you should have 2 5-piece sets and a monster set on your front bar (5/5/2). You have 5 spriggon (assuming thats what you meant with "Spring" otherwise, no idea what you are talking about), 2 MT, 2 7th. and 2 dead sets. Look for two 5 piece sets that give penetration and/or weapon damage. 5 spriggans and 5 Hundings/Nightmothers/automaton (your call) is where I would start. Also maces kinda suck. Run double dagger.

As to that rotation, a few things. It's not far off, but I would put a heavy attack in front of rending as well and I would get caltrops from PVP. Caltrops is pretty important for stamina DPS. You could also try to do 2 shrouded daggers with light attacks instead of one with a heavy attack as long as your stamina is in a good spot. The build I linked uses a slightly different setup (no daggers) but daggers is max DPS i believe. The nice thing about the rotation i posted is that you have room for power surge on your bar, which makes staying alive much easier. It still pulls 50k+ single target in a good raid no problem.

If you are low CP (like 200) its very difficult to get 25k rotation, animation cancelling is must for lower CP to get decent dps.

Mag sorc currently hit good also because of Exploiters CP passive / Off Balance

If next patch with off balance changes goes live as currently then mag sorc dps will reduce

magictucktuck · January 2018

stamblade i was getting 30k at 350-400 but I'm 500 now i have not tested since

Vapirko · January 2018

rikimm16_ESO wrote: »

I did the dummy again with a better set, go 10.2k... also getting better at rotation.

I’m using 3 spring armor, 1 spring mace, 1 spring neck, 2 morag armor (weap dmg), two 7th legion ring (weap dmg), one random dagger, one random bow, 2 auton armor.

I try to do: LA / hail/ la / poison/ la / trap / swap / rendering / ha / hurricane / ha / cloak / ha / shrouded / swap and repeate

Dude. 5pc spriggan 5pc hundings rage. 7th legion is not a good dps set.

SoLooney · January 2018

160 cp is all you need

rikimm16_ESO · January 2018

Made a MagSorc. 5 Necro 3 Netch and 2 skoria (subpar traits on all)... did 10.1k dps.
I guess I’m a lost cause...

H3rBie · January 2018

rikimm16_ESO wrote: »

Made a MagSorc. 5 Necro 3 Netch and 2 skoria (subpar traits on all)... did 10.1k dps.
I guess I’m a lost cause...

no it#s just a matter of practice

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I guess you are using a pet and you don't have Infallible Aether set, so use 5 Necro and 3 Willpower instead, Skoria is ok, Ilambris would be better.

Trait: Gear: devines, max. magicka, jewelery(willpower): arkane, spell dmg, Weapon msa Lightning staff infused or nirnhoned, and a random Lightning Infused on frontbar, fire enchant, ...

Skills, backbar (MSA Staff): Liquid lightning, Blockade of Storms, Volatile Familiar, deadric prey, bound aegis, destro ultimate,
frontbar: shock clench, Volatile Familiar, hardend ward, mages wrath, bound aegis, meteor ultimate.

with this setup and a bit practice it should be pretty easy to get good dps numbers,

Rota, Liquid lightning, LA, Blockade of Storms, LA, Volatile Familiar, deadric prey, weapon swap, shock clench, HA, weapon swap,

don't forget to have aegis active, use spellpower portions and when doing the test on dummy then you can also switch hardened ward with elemental drain to get better spellpenetration and sustain...

edit: if you don't have optimal traits, then you can also try Julianos instead of Necro, it's craftable and in your case, with devines trait probably more useful than necro, however, for a mag sorc pet build you should try to get necro...

WuffyCerulei · January 2018

Pet sorc is pretty ezpz. Gear is pretty easy to get too.

rikimm16_ESO · February 2018

H3rBie wrote: »

rikimm16_ESO wrote: »

Made a MagSorc. 5 Necro 3 Netch and 2 skoria (subpar traits on all)... did 10.1k dps.
I guess I’m a lost cause...

no it#s just a matter of practice .

I guess you are using a pet and you don't have Infallible Aether set, so use 5 Necro and 3 Willpower instead, Skoria is ok, Ilambris would be better.

Trait: Gear: devines, max. magicka, jewelery(willpower): arkane, spell dmg, Weapon msa Lightning staff infused or nirnhoned, and a random Lightning Infused on frontbar, fire enchant, ...

Skills, backbar (MSA Staff): Liquid lightning, Blockade of Storms, Volatile Familiar, deadric prey, bound aegis, destro ultimate,
frontbar: shock clench, Volatile Familiar, hardend ward, mages wrath, bound aegis, meteor ultimate.

with this setup and a bit practice it should be pretty easy to get good dps numbers,

Rota, Liquid lightning, LA, Blockade of Storms, LA, Volatile Familiar, deadric prey, weapon swap, shock clench, HA, weapon swap,

don't forget to have aegis active, use spellpower portions and when doing the test on dummy then you can also switch hardened ward with elemental drain to get better spellpenetration and sustain...

edit: if you don't have optimal traits, then you can also try Julianos instead of Necro, it's craftable and in your case, with devines trait probably more useful than necro, however, for a mag sorc pet build you should try to get necro...

Thanks!
I tried the rotation and noticed I got out of magicka extremely fast towards the first quarter of the fight. Mid way through I had to start doing 2 HA instead of a heavy attack and clench. I ended up with 11k dps.

Also, why not include surge in the backbar, is its buff not that good? I think it adds crit rating.

LiquidPony · February 2018

IMO a heavy attack petsorc is the easiest build in the game in a number of ways.

Gear:

5 x Necropotence (3 x Jewelry + 2 x armor), 5 x Mechanical Acuity/Julianos/Netch's Touch (4 x armor and front bar staff if you have a Maelstrom staff, otherwise both staves), 1 x Molag Kena/Domihaus/Grothdarr/Ilambris, front bar Infused lightning staff w/shock enchant, back bar Infused lightning staff w/weapon damage enchant.

Skills

Front bar: Daedric Prey, Shock Clench, Mage's Wrath, Volatile Familiar, Twilight Matriarch. Shooting Star.

Back bar: Liquid Lightning, Blockade of Storms, Volatile Familiar, Twilight Matriarch, Elemental Susceptibility (for solo parsing)/Shield. Destro Ulti.

Other stuff:

Apprentice Mundus

Divines armor

64 points in Magicka

Max magicka enchants on all armor

Spell damage enchants on all jewelry

Rotation:

* Pre-fight: summon both pets, elemental susceptibility, Spell Power potion, destro ulti

1. LA Liquid Lightning, LA Blockade, swap
2. LA Curse, HA Clench, HA Pet Pulse, swap
3. Repeat until execute. In execute, get all DoTs down and spam LA/Mage's Wrath.

Example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPMzWQhefaQ

rikimm16_ESO · February 2018

I’ll try that setup and rotation tonight, thanks!

rikimm16_ESO · February 2018

Ok I tried the rotation and although I haven’t practice it before I got 13.4k without weaving light attacks. Keep in mind I don’t have julianos or any good staff and didn’t have any type of food either.

The Magicka management is better than before but I’m running low on Magicka and popping mag potions frequently to keep up.

Not bad overall considering I was stuck at 10k dps. I’m really trying to get someone to craft julianos for me on PS4 but no luck.

rikimm16_ESO · February 2018

Ok, got some Magicka food and made it to 15k yay... still far away from 25k heh

Runefang · February 2018

Magsorc is far and away the easiest way to get high dps with low skill.

I barely hit 30k on all my toons except my magsorc, she hits 35k. The difference is just the ease of the rotation.

If I could do rotations better id be hitting 38k on them all.

rikimm16_ESO · February 2018

Practicing the rotation could increase my dps by maybe 3k. My Necro gear is green and my other gear doesn’t have divine trait... would that get me to 25k? Probably not, not sure what I’m missing.

rikimm16_ESO · February 2018

Ok, got better gear with good divine traits (blue qua). 5 Necro, 2 Ilambris, 3 willpower and 2 random staff. Did 18.6k dps with lots of mistakes in the rotation. I’m sure I can hit 20k with practice.

But what I’m lacking is the CP, I only have 242... so that’s what I’m missing to increase my dps. ZoS needs to do something to decrease this gap between new and veteran players somehow.

Runefang · February 2018

rikimm16_ESO wrote: »

Ok, got better gear with good divine traits (blue qua). 5 Necro, 2 Ilambris, 3 willpower and 2 random staff. Did 18.6k dps with lots of mistakes in the rotation. I’m sure I can hit 20k with practice.

But what I’m lacking is the CP, I only have 242... so that’s what I’m missing to increase my dps. ZoS needs to do something to decrease this gap between new and veteran players somehow.

Grind it out, at that low CP you can probably earn 15+ CP an hour with full training gear and an XP pot.

Flaminir · February 2018

rikimm16_ESO wrote: »

Ok, got better gear with good divine traits (blue qua). 5 Necro, 2 Ilambris, 3 willpower and 2 random staff. Did 18.6k dps with lots of mistakes in the rotation. I’m sure I can hit 20k with practice.

But what I’m lacking is the CP, I only have 242... so that’s what I’m missing to increase my dps. ZoS needs to do something to decrease this gap between new and veteran players somehow.

What quality/colour is your staff?

And what enchantments do you have on each of your weapons?

Ideally you should be looking for purple on the body pieces... but a staff in gold will actually make quite a big difference as there is a large spell damage jump from purple to gold.

rikimm16_ESO · February 2018

Flaminir wrote: »

rikimm16_ESO wrote: »

Ok, got better gear with good divine traits (blue qua). 5 Necro, 2 Ilambris, 3 willpower and 2 random staff. Did 18.6k dps with lots of mistakes in the rotation. I’m sure I can hit 20k with practice.

But what I’m lacking is the CP, I only have 242... so that’s what I’m missing to increase my dps. ZoS needs to do something to decrease this gap between new and veteran players somehow.

What quality/colour is your staff?

And what enchantments do you have on each of your weapons?

Ideally you should be looking for purple on the body pieces... but a staff in gold will actually make quite a big difference as there is a large spell damage jump from purple to gold.

My staff are both blue quality; one is infuse and the other sharpened. Good to note that I don’t light attack weave, except on the execution phase (in which I have the sharpened staff). I need to work on that...

Anyway, I did not think the qua of the weapon made that big of a difference. Thanks for the tip!

Oreyn_Bearclaw · February 2018

rikimm16_ESO wrote: »

Ok, got better gear with good divine traits (blue qua). 5 Necro, 2 Ilambris, 3 willpower and 2 random staff. Did 18.6k dps with lots of mistakes in the rotation. I’m sure I can hit 20k with practice.

But what I’m lacking is the CP, I only have 242... so that’s what I’m missing to increase my dps. ZoS needs to do something to decrease this gap between new and veteran players somehow.

@rikimm16_ESO

A proper heavy attack magic sorc build at max CP with BIS gear should easily hit 40-43k DPS on a dummy. More CP is not going to give you a 100% DPS boost from your current 20k. You still have a rotation problem. I am not trying to criticize, but I dont want you to operate on the false impression that your missing DPS can be fixed by grinding CP.

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Hands down the easiest way to hit 25k on a dummy in this game is with a double pet magic sorc heavy attack rotation. There are a dozen different variations on what is essentially the same build, but that is as easy as it gets. 4-5 skills, 2 heavy attacks, repeat. That said, stam sorc isnt exactly rocket science. Stam rotation (save NB) are all fairly straightforward (although not as simple as magic sorc). 25k at your CP level is perfectly doable on a stam sorc. The thing is that when it comes to actually playing the game (not standing in front of a dummy that doesnt hit back) stam is generally much more difficult to play. At melee range, you simply have to deal with more mechanics.

2 Builds I highly suggest looking at. Both can hit 40k on a dummy assuming you have major breach/fracture, and neither have difficult rotations. You probably wont have access to all the gear, but any reasonable DPS sets should allow you to break 25k.

Stam Sorc

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/hatchetharos-rising-storm-stamina-sorcerer-pve-dps/

Magic Sorc

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/the-charged-sorcerer-pve-dps-build/

rikimm16_ESO wrote: »

I did the dummy again with a better set, go 10.2k... also getting better at rotation.

I’m using 3 spring armor, 1 spring mace, 1 spring neck, 2 morag armor (weap dmg), two 7th legion ring (weap dmg), one random dagger, one random bow, 2 auton armor.

I try to do: LA / hail/ la / poison/ la / trap / swap / rendering / ha / hurricane / ha / cloak / ha / shrouded / swap and repeate

Rotation is more important than gear, but that setup is frankly atrocious. For a stamina player running DW, you should have 2 5-piece sets and a monster set on your front bar (5/5/2). You have 5 spriggon (assuming thats what you meant with "Spring" otherwise, no idea what you are talking about), 2 MT, 2 7th. and 2 dead sets. Look for two 5 piece sets that give penetration and/or weapon damage. 5 spriggans and 5 Hundings/Nightmothers/automaton (your call) is where I would start. Also maces kinda suck. Run double dagger.

As to that rotation, a few things. It's not far off, but I would put a heavy attack in front of rending as well and I would get caltrops from PVP. Caltrops is pretty important for stamina DPS. You could also try to do 2 shrouded daggers with light attacks instead of one with a heavy attack as long as your stamina is in a good spot. The build I linked uses a slightly different setup (no daggers) but daggers is max DPS i believe. The nice thing about the rotation i posted is that you have room for power surge on your bar, which makes staying alive much easier. It still pulls 50k+ single target in a good raid no problem.

If you are low CP (like 200) its very difficult to get 25k rotation, animation cancelling is must for lower CP to get decent dps.

Mag sorc currently hit good also because of Exploiters CP passive / Off Balance

If next patch with off balance changes goes live as currently then mag sorc dps will reduce

The only animation canceling a magic sorc does (or any PVE DPS for that matter does) is bar swap cancel. Does it help your DPS? Of course, but it's not the difference between 20k and 40k. The class most affected by the ability to swap cancel well is magic NB. This is because they have the most non-circular rotation of any class, and therefore bar swap more than any class. HA pet Sorcs swap twice per about 10 seconds. Cancelling the swaps is not insignificant, but not as earth shattering as people describe. It's also the easiest type of AC to master.

ValkynSketha · February 2018

Magsorc, stamsorc and stamdk

bongtokin420insd16 · February 2018

when you guys are blasting 20k dps is that with one attack or with a series of them?

Oreyn_Bearclaw · February 2018

rikimm16_ESO wrote: »

Flaminir wrote: »

rikimm16_ESO wrote: »

Ok, got better gear with good divine traits (blue qua). 5 Necro, 2 Ilambris, 3 willpower and 2 random staff. Did 18.6k dps with lots of mistakes in the rotation. I’m sure I can hit 20k with practice.

But what I’m lacking is the CP, I only have 242... so that’s what I’m missing to increase my dps. ZoS needs to do something to decrease this gap between new and veteran players somehow.

What quality/colour is your staff?

And what enchantments do you have on each of your weapons?

Ideally you should be looking for purple on the body pieces... but a staff in gold will actually make quite a big difference as there is a large spell damage jump from purple to gold.

My staff are both blue quality; one is infuse and the other sharpened. Good to note that I don’t light attack weave, except on the execution phase (in which I have the sharpened staff). I need to work on that...

Anyway, I did not think the qua of the weapon made that big of a difference. Thanks for the tip!

Sorry for double post but missed that last statement.

Weapon quality is REALLY important. If you only have one gold piece of gear, it should be your front bar weapon.

Also, your light weave is also really important. A light weave is NOT animation canceling, but it does add for an extra layer of damage that is outside your global skill cooldown. Even on a heavy attack pet sorc, your light attacks should be doing about 3.5k DPS, and your heavy attacks (2 per rotation) should do about 7k DPS at max CP.

Lastly, you dont need an execute on a HA pet magic sorc. Not saying you cant run one, but you can break 40k on a dummy with out it. I honestly cant tell a difference in my 3 million dummy parses whether I slot Inner light on my front bar and keep a consistent rotation or slot Mages wrath, and go to an execute rotation at 20%.

While I dont expect you to break 40k until you are close to the cap, you should certainly be able to break 30k with some small tweaks to your gear and some more hours on the dummy.