Mag Sorc PvE dps help

helena21 · January 2018

While we 're still at it, can someone please give me their lights on that one:

For a heavyClench build (as good people mention with IA/Necro/Illambris/vMA lightning) how often do you actually manage to proc fire Illambris, with a fire enchant on the back bar? I also assume it has to be infused right?

Does it proc for you in every rotation? Is it possible? I hope it is ...

SquareSausage · January 2018

helena21 wrote: »

While we 're still at it, can someone please give me their lights on that one:

For a heavyClench build (as good people mention with IA/Necro/Illambris/vMA lightning) how often do you actually manage to proc fire Illambris, with a fire enchant on the back bar? I also assume it has to be infused right?

Does it proc for you in every rotation? Is it possible? I hope it is ...

Helena, no it doesn't proc everytime, there is a 10% chance to proc, and depending on how long you stay on back bar you may only get 1 or 2 procs from the fire enchant, however there is 40% chance to apply burning effect from flame glyph enchant which is another 2 flame procs. Also though when using shooting star that can proc it too which is good.

All in all the procs from the shock element does good damage and the flame effect is a lot rarer with that build I'd say i saw it every 2 to 3 rotations and then more at the end when dropping shooting star.

the_man_of_steal · January 2018

Beardimus wrote: »

So what's the logic behind Nirn on back bar, as you aren't on it long, and thus the Nirn only applies while you are on it - where Infused carries over?

Only ask as I have a Powered Inferno, and i'm going to transmute it and as its on the back bar I assumed Infused would be the best option.

From what I understand Gilliam said... Nirn is good on backbar if you are using single target DOTs on your backbar. If you have a few AEO's as well, make it a nirn lightening staff... If you are just using AEO's and non single target DOTs, I would humbly suggest you try infused with either a mag steal or a spell power enchant on it... Both are amazing!

Oreyn_Bearclaw · January 2018

SquareSausage wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

SquareSausage wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

SquareSausage wrote: »

My current setup, and this is with out spell pots is:

Front: Curse, Inner Light, Ele Drain, Pet, Clench
Back: Surge, Inner Light, Liquid Lightning, Pet, Wall of Elements

In trial swapping ele drain for empowered ward.

getting between 34-36k DPS solo with that setup on a dummy.

Definitely seeing best results with infused front bar with shock glyph causing lots of off balance so thanks all for that tip. Got Fire glyph on back bar to proc the fire illmabris effect.

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I think you will do better ultimately with a weapon power glyph on your back bar. When solo, front bar shock enchant is the way to go. If everyone in your raid is running lighting wall and shock glyphs, you might want to consider fire.

As to the back bar Nirn/infused debate, here are my 2 cents. For builds where you spend very little time on your back bar, infused is better. For example, I run infused on both my mageblade and non-pet sorc. If you plan to AOE from your back bar, or you split your time fairly evenly, then nirn becomes more appealing. I still like my old pet sorc rotation of doing 4 back bar skills in my rotation (LL, Blockade, Pet, Prey), so my time is basically split right down the middle. I think Nirn gives a very slight edge in that case.

As to regen/sustain, it really depends what you are doing. I personally try to heavy attack as little as possible, so I run witchmothers as its really the only way to sustain without more than the occasional heavy attack. On a pet build, witchmothers is great because you will still have really high health from the passives.

If you plan to do a heavy attack every rotation, than run blue health/magic food. People running force pulse intensive builds (Asylum staff) are going as far as using witchmothers and a magic recovery glyph. A non-pet sorc can sustain that with no heavy attacks, and in the right hands, the damage is really high. You also see these players running skoria or nerienth becuase their health is just too low with witchmothers.

I tried spell damage but wasn't on back bar enough for more than one Proc so it had run out the second I switch bar and only buffed my LL and wall. I'm using fire enchant on that bar with Infused and if I don't mess it up I get two procs which is for the fire illambris Proc. I have a friend who swears she gets best result double barring spell damage glyph do its up pretty much 24/7. Not tried it though

Good info though on rest of post, thank you.

jakeedmundson wrote: »

SquareSausage wrote: »

jakeedmundson wrote: »

SquareSausage wrote: »

My current setup, and this is with out spell pots is:

Front: Curse, Inner Light, Ele Drain, Pet, Clench
Back: Surge, Inner Light, Liquid Lightning, Pet, Wall of Elements

In trial swapping ele drain for empowered ward.

getting between 34-36k DPS solo with that setup on a dummy.

Definitely seeing best results with infused front bar with shock glyph causing lots of off balance so thanks all for that tip. Got Fire glyph on back bar to proc the fire illmabris effect.

Do you use regen food or have any regen on jewelry? Also... what about your cp? I love the idea of getting good dps without spell power pots. Super annoyed with having to use them all the time.

Nah mate I don't use regen food and no recovery glyphs.
Could go witchmothers potent brew if you struggling with regen but that would drop DPS ever so slightly.

For my CP you can see at the end of my video I posted above. Ye it is not too bad and doesn't cost spell pots, I just use trash magicka pots when need to.

ha my fault... i didn't keep scrolling and see the video until after i posted.
i tried this out though, minus the masters staff. but i hit 29k. Nothing awful but i can't seem to break 30k.

I have IA jewelry but no staff so i threw on 4 martial knowledge in its place. (jewelry and main bar)
otherwise everything is the same. I can actually get the same dps by NOT using clench. I replaced it with mages wrath and wreck the dummy at the end instead of clench every rotation. If i ever get my hands on a master lightning staff i'll try clench again.

I would assume my issue is mostly my rotation speed and letting a dot or two drop off for a second once in a while. I'll keep at it.
Thanks for the build info though!

Good compromise, ye try get an IA staff or the masters staff bro, I found masters was the best, but it was similar.
Ye I'd imagine its just honing the rotation man for what works best.
Good luck.

Not sure you quite get how the back bar glyph works. As long as you are light attacking on your back bar, you should be if you weave, then you will proc the enchant and it will run its full duration even if you switch bars. The fact that you spend very little time on that bar is not really relevant as long as you are getting in light attacks while you are there.

If you spend very little time on your back bar, then and infused VMA staff with a weapon/spell power glyph is unquestionably they way to get the most DPS.

I understand how it works but weapon spell damage enchant didnt work as well as fire does from my personal tests.

Cos its 5 seconds, I only get 1 proc of it on back bar as im not on back bar for 5 secs, so it runs out very quickly into the front bar rotation, but with a fire enchant glyph on back bar I can get 2 procs which can also trigger illambris as I dont use any other fire skills. Using shock on front bar to keep up off balance.

Just my personal experience on it. May try it again sometime with spell damage just for testing.

@SquareSausage

One thing to consider on this, your fire enchant is a single target buff, that is really not going to scale all that well in a raid. An infused back bar weapon damage glyph will affect basically every skill you cast, and scale much better in a raid, especially with AOE damage.

If your goal is to be maximize a dummy parse, it would not surprise me that fire enchant comes out ahead of spell damage enchant for some setups. For a raid, I think that likely goes out the window. Classic example of the notion that what is best on a dummy is not necessarily whats best in a raid environment.

helena21 · January 2018

SquareSausage wrote: »

Helena, no it doesn't proc everytime, there is a 10% chance to proc, and depending on how long you stay on back bar you may only get 1 or 2 procs from the fire enchant, however there is 40% chance to apply burning effect from flame glyph enchant which is another 2 flame procs. Also though when using shooting star that can proc it too which is good.

All in all the procs from the shock element does good damage and the flame effect is a lot rarer with that build I'd say i saw it every 2 to 3 rotations and then more at the end when dropping shooting star.

Thank you very much, that was good to know

. I have now changed my enchantment to flame at the back bar and it is actually better! It doesn't proc in every rotation indeed as you said, but it still pulls better results than Valkyn Skoria!