aliyavana wrote: »

I'm waiting for the one person that's against this for some obscure reason

I see that 2 forum members already voted to not change it.
I wonder why

The system is very clearly designed to severely hamper the ability of players to be in a position to completely transmute sets of new gear to best-in-slot traits the day it comes out. Don't expect them to change this.

Why... if you have a full inventory of crystals then you certainly have no need for having a facility to bank geodes.. Its just hoarding for hoardings sake for something that is relatively easy to acquire.

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Not likely, it clearly fuels crown store upgrades. I don't see it as an effective limit on transmutations. If you amass too many, make a few mules. But then ... inventory upgrade.

Maybe.
But there are already many other items in characters inventories: item sets, siege weapons, consumables(drinks/food/potions/poisons) and the list goes on...
I don't see any harm done if ZOS will allow Transmutation Geodes to be bankable, players will continue to upgrade their accounts(inventory/bank space) either by gold/crown store upgrades regardless.

yttoks wrote: »

Leave it as it is. This is a 'working as intended' thing. I think the goal was to not allow people to hoard large amounts of crystals and then on day 1 of a new equipment drop have everything in perfect traits, or at least not easily.

It wasn't meant to eliminate the equipment grind, just to put an upper limit on it. As it stands, you can have enough crystals ready to go for 4 pieces, and geodes for a lot more if you have the space/priority for them. So, if it is important enough to a player to dedicate a mule to, a player could have enough crystals to transmute 16ish pieces the day new content drops. That seems like enough to me, and it's only meaningful limitation is how bad the player wants to be able to do such a thing.

In any case, I don't think the limitations you are experiencing were accidental. I'm good with the current setup, though I have to confess cussing at it a time or two.

Yes, there may be a purpose behind this limit.
But there is an issue with the inventory management of Transmutation Geodes.
There is simply too many of them to just keep them in characters inventories.

It's a moot poll.

Geodes are classified as containers, as they should be. Containers are not bankable.

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Not likely, it clearly fuels crown store upgrades. I don't see it as an effective limit on transmutations. If you amass too many, make a few mules. But then ... inventory upgrade.

It's impossible to store the ones received from PVE activities on mules because they don't come in the mail, they are just stuck in that character's inventory until used.

It seems like most of the people with an abundance of geodes/crystals are pvp'ers anyway (*cough*mail exploit*cough*). But don't worry, after the update you all will be struggling to get them just like us pve'ers lol.

PS: If you're capped on crystals with nothing to do with them, then just transmute an item to Nirnhoned and then deconstruct it. Boom - free Potent Nirncrux.

Expect this thread once a month.

VaranisArano wrote: »

If they did, then it wouldn't give you a solid reason to upgrade to ESO+ in order to hold 100 more crystals.

ZOS designed this system to be deliberately inconvenient for players in order to encourage players to spend more $$$.

and there you have the truth of it... keep littering us with inventory nonsense (unlimited stack pls), so we're forced to ESo+ just to be able to play without fighting inventory constantly.

pauli133 wrote: »

The system is very clearly designed to severely hamper the ability of players to be in a position to completely transmute sets of new gear to best-in-slot traits the day it comes out. Don't expect them to change this.

Transmute gems are account wide anyway. What's the deal if we can bank the geodes? People with enough geodes are still going to be able to transmute entire sets into BiS as soon as they come out even if the geodes aren't bankable, they just make one character's inventory management a bit harder. Plus anyone who actually transmutes armor pieces that aren't monster sets is doing it wrong imho.

pauli133 wrote: »

The system is very clearly designed to severely hamper the ability of players to be in a position to completely transmute sets of new gear to best-in-slot traits the day it comes out. Don't expect them to change this.

Obviously this was the intent. In practice, it has only served to fill up spaces in toons inventory though as you are not going to crack open valuable geodes and have the crystals vanish into the either of your full crystal inventory. Currently, I have the ability to transmute something like 20 items with the geodes in my various toons inventorys + the few in the actual, 200 limited, crystal inventory + the ones in my mail.

Though it was clearly the intent to prevent people from stock piling crystal geodes for a future date in order to transmute whole new sets, in practice everybody that I know is doing this anyway at the cost of a lot storage space in a game that already had issues.

So, ZOS intent is clearly not being accomplished. Rather, in practice they have merely exacerbated their already prominent inventory issues. They can do one of three things.

1) Toss the geodes, actually accomplish the goal of their desire to limit folks ability to stock up, and reward crystals directly so that folks cannot pile up geodes. Of course, folks will also stop doing the time wasting farming activities they are currently doing and that ZOS probably likes.

2) Let the geodes stack and bank so that the inventory issue will be ameliorated. At this point they could also just let folks have more than 100 / 200 crystals because they will obviously gain enough to transmute any future gear in the time between updates. (Just like we all have enough undaunted keys for the next 10 level cap increases and enough key fragments for same.)

3) Keep the current system where folks fill up all their toons inventories and their mails with geodes in which case you get both the ability to transmute all future gear and a further drain on inventory space (I have toons with as many as 20 geodes in their inventory).

Whatever they decide, I'm sure it won't be for a year, will *** off a lot of folks, and will create a whole new set of issues because it won't be one of the obvious possibilities above. It will probably be yet another multi-layer, untradable, quasi-currency system. They will think it will be smart but it will not be.

Personally, I just love to pile up those 50x transmute geodes. Well worth the inventory or mail space. I got 10x of them this month. I should also note that because of just how useful those 50x geodes are in terms of transmutes / unit of inventory space (10x as good as the next best crystals.) Lots of folks are switching to month long CYR campaigns. This was all very predictable behavior just by reading the patch notes before these things even came out.

N00BxV1 wrote: »

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Not likely, it clearly fuels crown store upgrades. I don't see it as an effective limit on transmutations. If you amass too many, make a few mules. But then ... inventory upgrade.

It's impossible to store the ones received from PVE activities on mules because they don't come in the mail, they are just stuck in that character's inventory until used.

It seems like most of the people with an abundance of geodes/crystals are pvp'ers anyway (*cough*mail exploit*cough*). But don't worry, after the update you all will be struggling to get them just like us pve'ers lol.

PS: If you're capped on crystals with nothing to do with them, then just transmute an item to Nirnhoned and then deconstruct it. Boom - free Potent Nirncrux.

What is this... peee veeee eeee you speak of??!!

Other

Just remove the cap already. It serves no purpose other than to force me to use my inventory to bypass it. It's a silly non restriction.

The whole geode+200 crystal cap system seems like someone really wanted to limit geode hoarding, but had never met any kind of gamer.

Everyone who wants to is already hoarding geodes. Making that an inventory management annoyance doesn't stop it. Either ditch the geodes (get crystals directly, cap at 200) and actually limit the number players can save, OR stop pretending and just let us bank them.

redspecter23 wrote: »

Other

Just remove the cap already. It serves no purpose other than to force me to use my inventory to bypass it. It's a silly non restriction.

MMOs survive by content being repeated. The cap serves this purpose. I'm surprised how easy it is to get the geodes. I expected it to be much more of a grind. Be happy they didn't make the geodes like treasure maps where you can only have one of each in your inventory at any one time.