The Definitive Definition of an Elite ESO Player

Maura_Neysa · January 2018

lazerlaz wrote: »

There is nothing elite about PVE and its so cringe to read.

PVE is a chore. Nothing else. After my chores are done I like to go play with the big boys and PVP..

Hate to break it to you, people on average are far more idiotic than the computer.

Voxicity · January 2018

Zypheran wrote: »

Voxicity wrote: »

Zypheran wrote: »

Interesting. However, it often seems to be defined more by an arbitrary set of conditions and more linked to ego than skill. I say this because surely 'skill' in a game is that which allows you complete the objectives so therefore the most objective set of conditions for elite would be linked to the game achievements and how many have been obtained overall. I find interesting the psychology behind the comments where people claim that 'elite' can only be applied to PVP players, where goals are more domination based and again seems more like a subjective view linked to ego.

After playing PvE and PvP quite intensely, I can report that I see far more egotistical players in PvE than in PvP. But that's just my own observation

You miss-understood my comments I think. I didn't say anything about the likelihood of egotism in PVP vs PVE and certainly don't make any distinction myself between PVP/PVE. I just like to play the game and ALL of its aspects. I noted the attitude of those that declare that PVP objectives are superior to PVE objectives and linked that attitude to the elite/ego conditions.

Ahh, I see. Yeah I agree with you on that. My bad

Maura_Neysa · January 2018

Voxicity wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

Voxicity wrote: »

Zypheran wrote: »

Interesting. However, it often seems to be defined more by an arbitrary set of conditions and more linked to ego than skill. I say this because surely 'skill' in a game is that which allows you complete the objectives so therefore the most objective set of conditions for elite would be linked to the game achievements and how many have been obtained overall. I find interesting the psychology behind the comments where people claim that 'elite' can only be applied to PVP players, where goals are more domination based and again seems more like a subjective view linked to ego.

After playing PvE and PvP quite intensely, I can report that I see far more egotistical players in PvE than in PvP. But that's just my own observation

PvP has a built in ego check. Sooner or later someone is going to wreck You, no matter how good you are.

Of course. But I've experienced far more toxic behaviour using the group finder. Actually the other day my wife (who has amberplasm skin and 950+cp and knows all the mechanics of vRoM) helped 3 new players who never did the dungeon on vet before and were quite low cp. She stuck with it for like 3 hours+ because she likes to help teach mechanics to new players and help them out. And by the end of it they started blaming her heals for the reason of the group's failure. Insulting her in a range of ways, while she didn't provoke them or anything. Now she may not be the number 1 healer but she certainly knows her stuff... you don't just get amberplasm skin given to you as a healer This is just one example of many situations like this I've experienced with PvE dungeons, not even talking about the competitive PvE scene.

PvP has the same kind of behaviour for sure, but I don't see even half as much as it as I see it in PvE

You don't see it because you're not stuck with them in a group trying to accomplish something. They die and then they are gone cause no one waste time rezzing the useless.

I know the feels. Was in Spindle 2 and the tank bailed at Praxis the 2 DD said good he sucked only it was the second wipe and it took so long Praxis joined with shades still up. I didn't even know he xoykd do that. I let them know it was the DPS not the tanking and left too. They whisper about how they couldn't dps while having to self heal. I had just come from vet Maz.

monktoasty · January 2018

Why pvp vs pve argument everytime

Get over it you enjoy what you enjoy no reason to argue about it constantly lol

Anyways to be elite player your have to be better than most at what you do.

Zypheran · January 2018

monktoasty wrote: »

Why pvp vs pve argument everytime

Get over it you enjoy what you enjoy no reason to argue about it constantly lol

Anyways to be elite player your have to be better than most at what you do.

In this case I think there is a link. There is a link between those that strongly espouse one element of the game above the other and those that set arbitrary conditions for defining elite player status. The latter tends to define their views based/linked to the former even though both are subjective.

FloppyTouch · January 2018

Elite is the best of the best

So would say has to be able to...

1. 1vX
2. Win 90% of duels(fair fights no cheap shots)
3. Do all pve content vet lvl(this is more about the group then the player less important)
4. Most achievements unlocked(25k score or higher)

Rank does not matter in pvp anyone can farm AP more impressed by a player that can solo a group with out the use of a cheese class or build.

I am none of these bc im bad but this is what I say an elite player is.

Nothing against pve trials runs but this has very little to do with the solo player and a lot to do with the group. Just bc u finished it does not mean ur good you could have been carried by better players. But I still thinks it’s important to have finished them at least once to consider urself elite.

Huyen · January 2018

This list doesnt sum up what the elite player does. This list is about the player without a life.

Jaimeh · January 2018

That's limited and assumes a DPS perspective. What about people who main tanks and/or healers exclusively, and yet are very experienced in end-game content? Also, successful completion of group instances is always a team effort, and regardless of whether a player is 'elite' or not, they still depend on a good overall team composition.

Dracane · January 2018

To me, being an Elite player is more on a psychological level than anything else. Who thinks, that you need to make 50k per week to be an Elite player ?

It's about how much you dedicate to the game, how you play and how close things get to you. Being an Elite player, means being emotionally engaged with this game, which is why many Elite players appear toxic and salty. When something means alot to you, then you get emotional about it and you will have a clear opinion, that you defend.

Being an Elite player has nothing to do with being able to have DPS or such things.

jbjondeaueb17_ESO · January 2018

Thogard wrote: »

If you want to be elite, you have to compete against other players, not a clock.

Look at cyrodil, not trials, for elite players.

Trials = home run derby. Competitive, but you're not directly against anybody
PvP = baseball.

With your definition Rally drivers aren't Elite drivers because they run again the chrono of others drivers, same for a lot of sports. Very limited way of thinking competition.

Maura_Neysa · January 2018

jbjondeaueb17_ESO wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

If you want to be elite, you have to compete against other players, not a clock.

Look at cyrodil, not trials, for elite players.

Trials = home run derby. Competitive, but you're not directly against anybody
PvP = baseball.

With your definition Rally drivers aren't Elite drivers because they run again the chrono of others drivers, same for a lot of sports. Very limited way of thinking competition.

Rally, every single single person Olympic game, plus several team ones too. Anything where the score is measured in time.

Ch4mpTW · January 2018

lazerlaz wrote: »

There is nothing elite about PVE and its so cringe to read.

PVE is a chore. Nothing else. After my chores are done I like to go play with the big boys and PVP..

That’s 1 heck of an opinion to have there. So the metaphorical “big boys” are the ones who spend their PvP’ing, you claim...? Interesting... Very, very, interesting...

Nonetheless, I hate to break it to you. But, none of those things define what it means to be a “true” elite player of ESO. It truly doesn’t. While an elite player may in fact have some of those criteria met that are listed, a lot of what you listed only have the perspective from that of a DD (damage dealer). And even then, from a PvE point of view. Where as there are elite players in numerous forms.

Personally, I identify someone as an “elite” or rather a “true elite” if they are multi-talented. Capable of being an excellent: Damage dealer, healer, or tank. These players often are also usually capable of solo’ing a variety of veteran dungeons, and can also craft plenty of things. A truly elite player is a player who is usually very quiet, and frowns upon being classified as an elite. And has extreme modesty. They avoid the attention by all means possible. These players are also very friendly to others (including low-CP newbies and randoms), unless heavily provoked. And even then, would rather flee from the hysterics. Rather than indulge in the back-and-forth, and overall bickering. These players are also often loners, although they may be apart of a few guilds. And even then, I don’t reveal their DPS times and damage output upon target skeletons. Nor do they speak of what gear sets they utilize usually. They also tend to be relatively good in PvP as well. Capable of 1vX’ing, but not in a typical ESO smug manner. They don’t “teabag” and emote upon besting another player in combat, nor go about seeking duels with random people. They are often very reserved, and rather carefree when it comes to PvP. They don’t take it too seriously, and just like to do it to have a means of entertainment.

Those things are what defines an elite player to me, OP. And unfortunately, not too many players meet said requirements to have such a title labeled upon them. After all, a true elite wouldn’t care about such a silly player-given label/title to begin with. They care more about improving others, as well as improving themselves. They often know that they are rather unique and special, but tend to be modest about it. After all, they view the rareness of they bring to the table as something which must be kept to themselves. And maybe, just maybe with 1 or 2 guildies. But usually to themselves.

Kram8ion · January 2018

Sergeant? Lol
Achievements don't really mean anything it's much simpler it's time spent playing now we just need to come up with a number

Maura_Neysa · January 2018

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

lazerlaz wrote: »

There is nothing elite about PVE and its so cringe to read.

PVE is a chore. Nothing else. After my chores are done I like to go play with the big boys and PVP..

That’s 1 heck of an opinion to have there. So the metaphorical “big boys” are the ones who spend their PvP’ing, you claim...? Interesting... Very, very, interesting...

Nonetheless, I hate to break it to you. But, none of those things define what it means to be a “true” elite player of ESO. It truly doesn’t. While an elite player may in fact have some of those criteria met that are listed, a lot of what you listed only have the perspective from that of a DD (damage dealer). And even then, from a PvE point of view. Where as there are elite players in numerous forms.

Personally, I identify someone as an “elite” or rather a “true elite” if they are multi-talented. Capable of being an excellent: Damage dealer, healer, or tank. These players often are also usually capable of solo’ing a variety of veteran dungeons, and can also craft plenty of things. A truly elite player is a player who is usually very quiet, and frowns upon being classified as an elite. And has extreme modesty. They avoid the attention by all means possible. These players are also very friendly to others (including low-CP newbies and randoms), unless heavily provoked. And even then, would rather flee from the hysterics. Rather than indulge in the back-and-forth, and overall bickering. These players are also often loners, although they may be apart of a few guilds. And even then, I don’t reveal their DPS times and damage output upon target skeletons. Nor do they speak of what gear sets they utilize usually. They also tend to be relatively good in PvP as well. Capable of 1vX’ing, but not in a typical ESO smug manner. They don’t “teabag” and emote upon besting another player in combat, nor go about seeking duels with random people. They are often very reserved, and rather carefree when it comes to PvP. They don’t take it too seriously, and just like to do it to have a means of entertainment.

Those things are what defines an elite player to me, OP. And unfortunately, not too many players meet said requirements to have such a title labeled upon them. After all, a true elite wouldn’t care about such a silly player-given label/title to begin with. They care more about improving others, as well as improving themselves. They often know that they are rather unique and special, but tend to be modest about it. After all, they view the rareness of they bring to the table as something which must be kept to themselves. And maybe, just maybe with 1 or 2 guildies. But usually to themselves.

^^^^^^^^^ This, hands down the best description yet.
My one point of argument, in PvP they will occasionally "emote upon besting another player in combat" but only a worth opponent and with an honor/prayer/blessing type emote.

clocksstoppe · January 2018

boombazookajd wrote: »

I thought it was having a gaming website and a youtube channel.

DoctorESO wrote: »

[*]Capable of earning at least 50k in one week week from guild trader sales

This is a bit arbitrary I think.

LOL. More like one day. 50k is nothing for the "elite" player this guy describes

Crom_CCCXVI · January 2018

The only Criteria

if you created or modified your own build because you enjoy playing that way and experienced the game for yourself....

If you just copied someone off Youtube, and run the exact same rotation as everyone else, are geared the same as everyone else, got all your checkmarks in the Meta Box, you are not elite player, you are just a copy of someone else who might be.

laksikus · January 2018

Oh ***. Seems like im elite
I dont feel that special or elite.

I would call myself experienced and maybe knowledgeable, but never elite.
Im too slacking amd lazy for that

laksikus · January 2018

Crom_CCCXVI wrote: »

The only Criteria

if you created or modified your own build because you enjoy playing that way and experienced the game for yourself....

If you just copied someone off Youtube, and run the exact same rotation as everyone else, are geared the same as everyone else, got all your checkmarks in the Meta Box, you are not elite player, you are just a copy of someone else who might be.

That may be the case for pvp. But not really possible for pve.
There are not tgat many goos skills in game to make 5 different bis builds for each class.
Good playees notice what skills are good without copying someones build and the builds will still be similar

Aisle9 · January 2018

y u no put Master Angler ?

stupid list is stupid, that's it, I'm leaving.

DoctorESO wrote: »

What does it take to be considered an "elite" ESO player? Not to be the top of the elite, but just the bottom of the elite? Barely elite, if you will? Well, after compiling information from several discussions, it seems this is the criteria:
Capable of single-target fully self-buffed DPS of 35k

Completed all veteran dungeons

Completed all no-death speed-run hard-mode veteran dungeon achievements for at least two DLC dungeons (Cradle of Shadows, Ruins of Mazzatun, Bloodroot Forge, and Falkreath Hold)

Capable of earning at least 50k in one week week from guild trader sales

Completed all veteran trials, including Maw of Lorkhaj and Halls of Fabrication

Completed the veteran Craglorn trials (Aetherian Archive, Hel Ra Citadel, and Sanctum Ophidia) on hard mode

Completed veteran Dragonstar Arena

Completed veteran Maelstrom Arena

Has purple or gold best-in-slot armor in divines trait

Has gold front and backbar weapons in sharpened, infused, or nirnhoned trait

Has a microphone for voice chat capability

Has at least rudimentary knowledge/experience of how to tank and heal dungeons

Achieved at least Sergeant rank in Cyrodiil

Has some understanding of Alliance War strategies and terminology

Has won at least five duels of like-leveled and like-equipped players

Has won at least two battlegrounds matches

Do you have any to add? Or should anything be removed from the list?

wrong on all accounts.

Master Angler.

nuff said.

Tyrion87 · January 2018

For me there is only one measure of "elitism" in ESO and it's none of the things you described.

In most cases "elitism" has a very negative meaning and it's a term used to describe a player's bad, exalting and disrespectful attitude and behaviour toward other people. Such players just like showing off.

Zagnut123Zagnut123 · January 2018

DoctorESO wrote: »

What does it take to be considered an "elite" ESO player? Not to be the top of the elite, but just the bottom of the elite? Barely elite, if you will? Well, after compiling information from several discussions, it seems this is the criteria:
Capable of single-target fully self-buffed DPS of 35k

Completed all veteran dungeons

Completed all no-death speed-run hard-mode veteran dungeon achievements for at least two DLC dungeons (Cradle of Shadows, Ruins of Mazzatun, Bloodroot Forge, and Falkreath Hold)

Capable of earning at least 50k in one week week from guild trader sales

Completed all veteran trials, including Maw of Lorkhaj and Halls of Fabrication

Completed the veteran Craglorn trials (Aetherian Archive, Hel Ra Citadel, and Sanctum Ophidia) on hard mode

Completed veteran Dragonstar Arena

Completed veteran Maelstrom Arena

Has purple or gold best-in-slot armor in divines trait

Has gold front and backbar weapons in sharpened, infused, or nirnhoned trait

Has a microphone for voice chat capability

Has at least rudimentary knowledge/experience of how to tank and heal dungeons

Achieved at least Sergeant rank in Cyrodiil

Has some understanding of Alliance War strategies and terminology

Has won at least five duels of like-leveled and like-equipped players

Has won at least two battlegrounds matches

Do you have any to add? Or should anything be removed from the list?

I know garbage players that have all that and the dro-m'athra destroyer tittle.

aeowulf · January 2018

Everyone has different views on what is elite, so almost by that definition everyone has different criteria. Your criteria work for you, what about those that want to run a trade guild? 'Elite' status may be having a trader in Craglorn or Vivec or wherever you chose, or making enough money to have every craft bench in your house. Tanks and healers by your definition can never be elite, but thats OK because it's wht being elite means to you. Nor can someone who does not PVP.

My definition of elite is what you personally aspire to with your character, whether you push yourself to be better than you were yesterday, and whether you still enjoy playing. If I can manage all that then the items on your list will come naturally, at least those that are relevant. It's also knowing when to relax and go and do some stupid 'jump off a giant's nose' achievement, or just when to switch off your computer.

altemriel · January 2018

that depends on which point of view on that term "elite player" you want to focus on.

if on the real PRO players, then yes (your list)

if on the derogatory meaning of that term, then it is:

- behaves like the king of eso
- has a weird need to put lowbies or noobs down, offense them and pun them
- speedruns trough the dungeon, does not care about the rest of the group

Zagnut123Zagnut123 · January 2018

Consistently no seething every one encounter while keeping high uptimes if support or high dps on all bosses to be a pve elite otherwise your still learning.

For PvP it's a bit harder to judge as rank means almost nothing anymore as well as past emporerorship. For PvP it's more of a reputation thing. People know who is elite and who isn't if your in cyrodiil enough

Dragonnord · January 2018

DoctorESO wrote: »

What does it take to be considered an "elite" ESO player? Not to be the top of the elite, but just the bottom of the elite? Barely elite, if you will? Well, after compiling information from several discussions, it seems this is the criteria:
Capable of single-target fully self-buffed DPS of 35k
A lot of players can do that just by copying builds and behave like robots without fully understanding their class and skills.

Completed all veteran dungeons
Could have been carried.

Completed all no-death speed-run hard-mode veteran dungeon achievements for at least two DLC dungeons (Cradle of Shadows, Ruins of Mazzatun, Bloodroot Forge, and Falkreath Hold)
No death achievement is bugged from time to time.

Capable of earning at least 50k in one week week from guild trader sales
Could have bots.

Completed all veteran trials, including Maw of Lorkhaj and Halls of Fabrication
Could have been carried.

Completed the veteran Craglorn trials (Aetherian Archive, Hel Ra Citadel, and Sanctum Ophidia) on hard mode
Could have been carried.

Completed veteran Dragonstar Arena
Could have been carried.

Completed veteran Maelstrom Arena
Could have paid someone else for completion.

Has purple or gold best-in-slot armor in divines trait
Any noob can have that.

Has gold front and backbar weapons in sharpened, infused, or nirnhoned trait
Any noob can have that.

Has a microphone for voice chat capability
Anyone can have that.

Has at least rudimentary knowledge/experience of how to tank and heal dungeons
Rudimentary doesn't match elite, so I'd change for "Excellent or Full".

Achieved at least Sergeant rank in Cyrodiil
Anyone can do that.

Has some understanding of Alliance War strategies and terminology
I'd change "Some" for "Vast".

Has won at least five duels of like-leveled and like-equipped players
The other players could have been friends or noobs dressed like emperors. How you are equipped tells nothing.

Has won at least two battlegrounds matches
You can hide behind a rock or remain in your base and the other 3 can win the match for you.

Do you have any to add? Or should anything be removed from the list?

You know when a player is a top player when you have personally seen his playing and performance over time.

Aelakhaii_De_Mythos · January 2018

I know pvpers who havn't completed 90% of that list that are completely supreme, gameplay wise.

jlboozer · January 2018

I'm elite at none of these things but trading, but trading I make around 100k a day. I would be depressed with only 50k for a whole week...

HatchetHaro · January 2018

I really dislike PvPrs who belittle PvErs for being good at PvE. Those people like to call PvE trial runners "carebears" and often question why beating some time records in trials is even a competition. True definition of an elitist right there.

Competition in PvE trials vs competition in PvP kills are two completely different things. It's like comparing a 4×400m relay race to a boxing match; they're both completely different sports, and they both exist in the Olympic Games.

No reason why one should be superior to the other.

Ch4mpTW · January 2018

jlboozer wrote: »

I'm elite at none of these things but trading, but trading I make around 100k a day. I would be depressed with only 50k for a whole week...

Perhaps you can teach me your ways then. At any given week, I sit on roughly 3k to 20k tops. Lmao. Even though I hardly play anymore, when I did involve myself in the merchant scene I was getting maybe 50k to 75k a week (at best). And that was from selling gold upgrading materials in trading hubs like Elden Root.

It’s kinda crazy, to be honest. I have more Crowns and Crown Gems than I have gold. Lol. How, I have no idea. But, it just turned out that way.

Alcast · January 2018

lel