Let's be clear ESO is never going to add new playable races.
Why? Lore aside. Because it would affect future expectations of later titles in the Elder Scrolls series.

They make it explicit that in every region only one race became the dominant people and the other one died off, left, has little in number, or disapperaed.
The Dwemer are all gone.
The Nords killed most of the Snow Elves.
The Nedic people integrated themselves into Nord society.
The Chimer became the Dunmer.
The Argonians may have launched a disease that killed off numerous humanoid races.
The Maomer were driven away and are a small nation in comparison to Everyone else.

Most of the other races when compared to the current 10 lack the numbers to compete.
It'll Never happen. Stop bringing it up.
This is NOT WoW.

Iccotak wrote: »

Let's be clear ESO is never going to add new playable races...

Recycling your comment from elsewhere? Shame on you!

But it -still- is for ZOS to decide, and not for you!
And we still can discuss it - no matter how much you might disapporve!

So what if it might affect future expectations? Future games are not ESO, and ESO is not future solo-play titles. As long as ESO does not break with the lore per se... and it doesn't... (add to - definitely, bend - on occasion, break - not so far) yes, we have super-speciel steeds you need to be a bit "special" or just obsessed (guilty!) to shell out so many crowns on, but those -are- within plausible limits so far. After all, "ooo, magic!" right?

In that spirit... races which -would- break the lore (dwemer, etc.) shound never be added as PC choices, but races which -would- be lore-plausible... might.
Just like they added orcs and imperials with TES-III:Morrowind, whereas befgore those two had only snown up as NPC mobs. Now, Maormer are only NPC mobs... but they -could- be added as playable race, much like imperials - exiles from their homeland, thrust into the storyline events by happenstance, and becoming an unlikely hero while just trying to survive. It would be a classic tale...

Iccotak wrote: »

The Maomer were driven away and are a small nation in comparison to Everyone else.

Not exactly. Both the altmer and the maormer were originally from Aldmeris. Yes, the maormer were driven away from there, repudedly. But the lore we have on the whole matter is somewhat one-sided, and the conflict between maormer and altmer IS about which of them are the "true heirs" to the aldmer...

And while there is very little in the lore about Pyandonea, it is described as having "massive plateaus" covered with jungle... add to that the fact that the conflict with the altmer went on for most of the first and second -era-, without the altmer ever getting the better of their seaborn cousins... I imagine we can expect them to be roughly equal in population and power, yes?

Oh, they are xenophobic and insulationist, racist and generally don't play well with any of the other races. And thus would make little sense to be found as citizens in any alliance... buuut, more sense with the storyline we have. Molag Bal after all does not discriminate, he grabs everyones soul, no matter of they are human or maormer, thus the "vestige" storyline would quite well fit as plot device to have a lone maormer exile become an unexpected hero among the landwalkers...
...which in turn makes them quite viable for an crown-store-unlock PC race. (possibly with an increased cost compared to imperial, to keep them a rare sight in general)

Now, it might not make all that much sense for them to start in dominion lands, with the trouble maormer raiders make all over those lands in the kendarthis roost, auridion and greenshade storylines - but it could sort of work, considering that the maormer are still playing "friendly" at the very start of the KR questline, -and- might be hostile to an "exile" as well...
And really, it would not all that much worse then a breton, redguard or orc starting in pact lands, with all the shennanigans -their- fellow covenant invaders make throughout those lands in the bleakrock, bal foyen and stonefalls storylines, or a dominion race playing through shadowfen for that matter...

Iccotak wrote: »

Most of the other races when compared to the current 10 lack the numbers to compete.

Who cares about numbers?
We are not talking about filling a region here (though they do that at pyandonea), we are not talking about starting a fourth alliance to enter into the three banners war (which the very name kinda goes against), we are not talking about conquering cyrodil (which they never ever even cared much about) - we are talking of a lone hero! (or several, considering just how many "vestiges" are running around tamriel)

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Iccotak wrote: »

Let's be clear ESO is never going to add new playable races...

Recycling your comment from elsewhere? Shame on you!

But it -still- is for ZOS to decide, and not for you!
And we still can discuss it - no matter how much you might disapporve!

So what if it might affect future expectations? Future games are not ESO, and ESO is not future solo-play titles. As long as ESO does not break with the lore per se... and it doesn't... (add to - definitely, bend - on occasion, break - not so far) yes, we have super-speciel steeds you need to be a bit "special" or just obsessed (guilty!) to shell out so many crowns on, but those -are- within plausible limits so far. After all, "ooo, magic!" right?

In that spirit... races which -would- break the lore (dwemer, etc.) shound never be added as PC choices, but races which -would- be lore-plausible... might.
Just like they added orcs and imperials with TES-III:Morrowind, whereas befgore those two had only snown up as NPC mobs. Now, Maormer are only NPC mobs... but they -could- be added as playable race, much like imperials - exiles from their homeland, thrust into the storyline events by happenstance, and becoming an unlikely hero while just trying to survive. It would be a classic tale...

Iccotak wrote: »

The Maomer were driven away and are a small nation in comparison to Everyone else.

Not exactly. Both the altmer and the maormer were originally from Aldmeris. Yes, the maormer were driven away from there, repudedly. But the lore we have on the whole matter is somewhat one-sided, and the conflict between maormer and altmer IS about which of them are the "true heirs" to the aldmer...

And while there is very little in the lore about Pyandonea, it is described as having "massive plateaus" covered with jungle... add to that the fact that the conflict with the altmer went on for most of the first and second -era-, without the altmer ever getting the better of their seaborn cousins... I imagine we can expect them to be roughly equal in population and power, yes?

Oh, they are xenophobic and insulationist, racist and generally don't play well with any of the other races. And thus would make little sense to be found as citizens in any alliance... buuut, more sense with the storyline we have. Molag Bal after all does not discriminate, he grabs everyones soul, no matter of they are human or maormer, thus the "vestige" storyline would quite well fit as plot device to have a lone maormer exile become an unexpected hero among the landwalkers...
...which in turn makes them quite viable for an crown-store-unlock PC race. (possibly with an increased cost compared to imperial, to keep them a rare sight in general)

Now, it might not make all that much sense for them to start in dominion lands, with the trouble maormer raiders make all over those lands in the kendarthis roost, auridion and greenshade storylines - but it could sort of work, considering that the maormer are still playing "friendly" at the very start of the KR questline, -and- might be hostile to an "exile" as well...
And really, it would not all that much worse then a breton, redguard or orc starting in pact lands, with all the shennanigans -their- fellow covenant invaders make throughout those lands in the bleakrock, bal foyen and stonefalls storylines, or a dominion race playing through shadowfen for that matter...

Iccotak wrote: »

Most of the other races when compared to the current 10 lack the numbers to compete.

Who cares about numbers?
We are not talking about filling a region here (though they do that at pyandonea), we are not talking about starting a fourth alliance to enter into the three banners war (which the very name kinda goes against), we are not talking about conquering cyrodil (which they never ever even cared much about) - we are talking of a lone hero! (or several, considering just how many "vestiges" are running around tamriel)

Thanks for excluding my main point.
Adding playable races would affect expectations of later titles in the Elder Scrolls series. They have said this over a dozen times.
Bethesda has no intention of adding more races in single player titles, don't expect the MMO to.

Because then we get people asking this:

JoffyToffy69 wrote: »

I want the Tsaesci or the Lamia

Putting in new races is a slippery slope that you can't crawl out of.

Iccotak wrote: »

Thanks for excluding my main point.
Adding playable races would affect expectations of later titles in the Elder Scrolls series. They have said this over a dozen times.
Bethesda has no intention of adding more races in single player titles, don't expect the MMO to.

...are you even reading things you knee-jerk reply to, or...?

TheShadowScout wrote: »

So what if it might affect future expectations? Future games are not ESO, and ESO is not future solo-play titles. As long as ESO does not break with the lore per se... and it doesn't... (add to - definitely, bend - on occasion, break - not so far) yes, we have super-speciel steeds you need to be a bit "special" or just obsessed (guilty!) to shell out so many crowns on, but those -are- within plausible limits so far. After all, "ooo, magic!" right?

As I was saying... So what?

You are basically expecting us to swallow some "adding stuff not already in other games would affect expectations for future games" excuse - so how could they add -anything- following your reasoning???

And if they can add new places, let us see and quest in regions mentioned but never before shown in any decent TES game (Arena doesn't really count on that matter - their depiction of "whole tamriel" was a bit... substandard, yes?), if they can add new mounts and new stories... why not add also races mentioned but never before played in any TES game - especially since it would be different from an solo game anyhow?

I mean, they did change the race setup before. Different games set in the same elder scrolls universe had before had different options for race selection.TES:Arena and TES:Daggerfall had only eight races, TES:Battlespire had what, six IIRC, and TES:Redguard... well... that kinda was a premade character anyhow with Cyrus, so...

And ESO actually has nine plus one. I really see no reason at all to not make that nine plus three or nine plus six for example... since it IS a different game from all the solo play titles.

Yes please!

no...im sick of so much elf lover content already...im so happy that we finally have 1 more elf related chapter and then we are done with it.

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Iccotak wrote: »

Thanks for excluding my main point.
Adding playable races would affect expectations of later titles in the Elder Scrolls series. They have said this over a dozen times.
Bethesda has no intention of adding more races in single player titles, don't expect the MMO to.

...are you even reading things you knee-jerk reply to, or...?

TheShadowScout wrote: »

So what if it might affect future expectations? Future games are not ESO, and ESO is not future solo-play titles. As long as ESO does not break with the lore per se... and it doesn't... (add to - definitely, bend - on occasion, break - not so far) yes, we have super-speciel steeds you need to be a bit "special" or just obsessed (guilty!) to shell out so many crowns on, but those -are- within plausible limits so far. After all, "ooo, magic!" right?

As I was saying... So what?

You are basically expecting us to swallow some "adding stuff not already in other games would affect expectations for future games" excuse - so how could they add -anything- following your reasoning???

And if they can add new places, let us see and quest in regions mentioned but never before shown in any decent TES game (Arena doesn't really count on that matter - their depiction of "whole tamriel" was a bit... substandard, yes?), if they can add new mounts and new stories... why not add also races mentioned but never before played in any TES game - especially since it would be different from an solo game anyhow?

I mean, they did change the race setup before. Different games set in the same elder scrolls universe had before had different options for race selection.TES:Arena and TES:Daggerfall had only eight races, TES:Battlespire had what, six IIRC, and TES:Redguard... well... that kinda was a premade character anyhow with Cyrus, so...

And ESO actually has nine plus one. I really see no reason at all to not make that nine plus three or nine plus six for example... since it IS a different game from all the solo play titles.

Adding new mounts and stories is different than adding a whole new playable race.
1. All mounts work the same. The crown crate mounts are purely flavor and fun.
2. How are Stories and Races equal to each other? One adds something to the lore and world, the other adds a whole new race to the gameplay that has its own bonuses and benefits that will have to be balanced with everyone else.
3. You are not asking for new additions to story. You could explore the home of the Maomer and not have them be playable. You are asking for a new gameplay element without any consideration for the consequences.
4. Maomer are not the only one being requested, if you add one then you are going to see more pressing and pushing for things like this.

Ilithyania wrote: »

Dwemer (also referred to as the Dwarves, Deep-Elves)

Maormer also known as Tropical Elves, Sea Elves, Fish Elves

Snow Elves (Aldmeris: Falmer), occasionally referred to as Ice Elves or Ancient Falmer

would be cool to play these races

JoffyToffy69 wrote: »

I want the Tsaesci or the Lamia

in Arena and Daggerfall, there is no Imperial race; the imperial province is simply a melting pot of all the other races. Also, Orcs are not playable in Arena or Daggerfall, because they had not joined the civilized races; they are just enemies.
Elder scrolls 1 & 2 were the first games and the lore was very thin and not that established at the time. Elder Scrolls 3 is really what put them on the map and established the world of Elder Scrolls.

ESO has nine plus one because Imperials are in the middle and have their own major faction, the Empire. Having one already established race that can pick any of the three alliances is hardly equal to adding a new race.
Bethesda takes its lore and world building very seriously and they want things to work. Compared to the other 10 races the Maomer are little in number, not common, and they are a small nation, so any one of the 10 main races outnumbers them.

ESO is a standalone title from Elder Scrolls but it is still part of Elder Scrolls and there are things that they have to stick with.

You don't need to add new races to renew interest at this point and I don't want ESO following WoW's example.
I would prefer that ZOS is more creative in adding new things. Look at the past three Elder Scroll games no new playable races but all of them do very well.