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Q on major brutality
billp_ESO
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It adds 20% "weapon damage". Does that mean any dmg done by a weapon? For example, Lethal Arrow does poison damage, is that affected?
What about a staff light attack? Is that weapon dmg?
What about Killer's Blade? It's a melee attack that does Disease damage; it's a stamina ability that scales off of weapon damage.
Is the only way to get 100% major brutality is to wear Dreugh King stuff?
Edited by billp_ESO on January 15, 2018 4:21PM What about a staff light attack? Is that weapon dmg?
What about Killer's Blade? It's a melee attack that does Disease damage; it's a stamina ability that scales off of weapon damage.
Is the only way to get 100% major brutality is to wear Dreugh King stuff?
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boombazookajd✭✭✭✭✭according to UESP.net,
"Weapon Damage represents the damage done by non-staff weapons and feats, or abilities with a Stamina cost. Your Weapon Damage can be improved by many sets (click for complete list), as well the Major Brutality and Minor Brutality effects, which increase your damage by 20% and 5% respectively.
Drathus Delenu- Dunmer magDk: Shehai Shatterer, Mageslayer, Stormproof, Peak Scaler, Clockwork Confounder, Orderly, Master Wizard, Cloudrest Hero, Undaunted, Dragonstar Arena Champion
Thoronir Rolston- Breton petsorc: Stormproof
Zaakazha-Redguard stamblade: Boethia's Scythe, Clockwork Confounder, Maelstrom Arena Champion, Dragonstar Arena Champion
Scrubs:
Justinius Maximus Decimus- Altmer magblade
Agronak gro'Mashul- Orc DK Tank
Valerya Hawkcroft- Breton healer
Zaaka- Imperial stamDK/crafter
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boombazookajd✭✭✭✭✭Minor Brutality Increases weapon damage by 5%.
Abilities: Mountain's Blessing
Potions: Increase Weapon Power Increase Weapon Power Poison
Major Brutality Increases weapon damage by 20%.
Abilities: Bull Netch, Drain Power, Hidden Blade, Igneous Weapons, Momentum, Rousing Roar, Surge
Potions: Increase Weapon Power Increase Weapon Power Potion
According to UESP, these are the only ways you gain Major or Minor Brutality.Drathus Delenu- Dunmer magDk: Shehai Shatterer, Mageslayer, Stormproof, Peak Scaler, Clockwork Confounder, Orderly, Master Wizard, Cloudrest Hero, Undaunted, Dragonstar Arena Champion
Thoronir Rolston- Breton petsorc: Stormproof
Zaakazha-Redguard stamblade: Boethia's Scythe, Clockwork Confounder, Maelstrom Arena Champion, Dragonstar Arena Champion
Scrubs:
Justinius Maximus Decimus- Altmer magblade
Agronak gro'Mashul- Orc DK Tank
Valerya Hawkcroft- Breton healer
Zaaka- Imperial stamDK/crafter
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Taleof2Cities✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭There’s a lot of ways to get major brutality ... and you’ve listed some of them.
Yes, wearing Dreugh King Slayer is probably the easiest way ... since you can then focus on other buffs and abilities in your build.
Making weapon damage potions is another popular way to get major brutality.
As for abilities, Killer’s Blade (Nightblade) doesn’t grant major brutality. However, Hidden Blade in the duel wield line does ... along with Drain Power in the Siphoning skill tree. Poison Arrow or light attacks don’t grant the buff.
Other classes have access to it through abilities as well:
Warden - Bull Netch
Sorcerer - Surge
Dragonknight - Igneous Weapons
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Vapirko✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It means it adds 20% wpn damage on your stat sheet. But all your attacks will scale off wpn damage, so yes it will make them more powerful, including poison injection. All stamina abilities will scale off of wpn damage and max stamina to some extent.
Staff abilities scale of magicka and spell damage. Major brutality does not effect spell damage, that would be major sorcery.
Dreugh king is the only way to get it 100% of the time without any effort. But it’s a waste of a 5th piece set when it’s so easy to get by other means.1 -
SirAndy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Dreugh king is the only way to get it 100% of the time without any effort. But it’s a waste of a 5th piece set when it’s so easy to get by other means.
People keep saying DKS is a "waste" but they forget that it frees up an ability slot that otherwise has to be occupied by a MB ability.
One of the equipment combos for my 5/5/2 dual wielding Stamblade includes DKS and her rotation does not include any MB ability in that configuration.
It works great!
Edited by SirAndy on January 15, 2018 5:51PM2 -
Loc2262✭✭✭✭✭"Weapon Damage" is a character stat from which the actual tooltip damage that physical attacks do is calculated. It's not the only calculation source though (max stamina is the other major one), and the calculation formula is different for each skill.
For details on calculation, check out the "ESO Build Editor" on the UESP wiki. http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData As far as I know, UESP does not use official formulae, but reverse-engineered ones. They are generally very precise though.
Edited by Loc2262 on January 15, 2018 6:31PMKind regards,
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Bladerunner1✭✭✭✭Here's another UESP link for skill tooltip base damage with stat sliders.
http://esolog.uesp.net/viewSkills.php
Usually when a damage ability costs stamina it's influenced by max stamina and weapon damage based on this ratio, 10.5 stamina = 1 weapon damage.
So if you have 40000 stamina and only 2000 weapon damage, major brutality won't boost your damage as much as if you had 29500 stamina and 3000 weapon damage, even though base unbuffed damage tooltips would be close.
Staff light and heavy attacks rely solely on spell damage / max magica, melee and bow weapon attacks rely solely on weapon damage / max stamina.
Heavy or light attacks are boosted a lot by weapon/spell damage. Light and heavy attacks are influenced by this ratio: 40 stamina or magic = 1 weapon or spell damage.Edited by Bladerunner1 on January 15, 2018 6:52PM0 -
Jamini✭✭✭✭✭Dreugh king is the only way to get it 100% of the time without any effort. But it’s a waste of a 5th piece set when it’s so easy to get by other means.
People keep saying DKS is a "waste" but they forget that it frees up an ability slot that otherwise has to be occupied by a MB ability.
One of the equipment combos for my 5/5/2 dual wielding Stamblade includes DKS and her rotation does not include any MB ability in that configuration.
It works great!
Except:
1. Dreugh King is a heavy armor set. You will lose the following if you use it: 1640-2296 Weapon Crit, 10-14% Stamina skill cost reduction, 20-28% stamina regeneration, 12% weapon damage. OR 2520 Maximum stamina (running jewlery)
2. You need to give up a 5pc bonus, which at minimum is going to be either 299 WD (that stacks with your class or potion-basd major brutality) or 3450 physical penetration (which is easily worth a 20% boost to your damage by itself, and also stacks with class or potion-based major brutality) Note that Hundlings and Spriggans are fairly basic sets, and there are sets that give better damage or sustain with the right setup out there.
There is no skill in the game that can make up for the bonus damage many sets give you, but there are many sources of major brutality. DKS is just not a valuable set to run, and quite honestly is going to hurt your damage or sustain to run.Edited by Jamini on January 15, 2018 7:28PM"Adapt. or Die."1 -
billp_ESO✭✭✭✭That was my problem with DKS, it's a heavy armor set. I want to run medium armor for my stamblade.0
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✭Dreugh king is the only way to get it 100% of the time without any effort. But it’s a waste of a 5th piece set when it’s so easy to get by other means.
People keep saying DKS is a "waste" but they forget that it frees up an ability slot that otherwise has to be occupied by a MB ability.
One of the equipment combos for my 5/5/2 dual wielding Stamblade includes DKS and her rotation does not include any MB ability in that configuration.
It works great!
This is what I’m thinking too and as a nb we don’t have many group focused abilities so I wear dks and even when I’m mag rattlecage so it frees a slot for group stuffs like aoeAussie lag is real!1 -
SirAndy✭✭✭✭✭
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Except:
People keep saying DKS is a "waste" but they forget that it frees up an ability slot that otherwise has to be occupied by a MB ability.Dreugh king is the only way to get it 100% of the time without any effort. But it’s a waste of a 5th piece set when it’s so easy to get by other means.
One of the equipment combos for my 5/5/2 dual wielding Stamblade includes DKS and her rotation does not include any MB ability in that configuration.
It works great!
1. Dreugh King is a heavy armor set ...
2. You need to give up a 5pc bonus ...
1. Which works out just fine since i run 5 medium + 2 heavy on that char anyways
2. No, i don't "give up" a 5pc bonus, the bonus is 100% uptime on major brutality without having to slot an ability
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Except:
People keep saying DKS is a "waste" but they forget that it frees up an ability slot that otherwise has to be occupied by a MB ability.Dreugh king is the only way to get it 100% of the time without any effort. But it’s a waste of a 5th piece set when it’s so easy to get by other means.
One of the equipment combos for my 5/5/2 dual wielding Stamblade includes DKS and her rotation does not include any MB ability in that configuration.
It works great!
1. Dreugh King is a heavy armor set ...
2. You need to give up a 5pc bonus ...
1. Which works out just fine since i run 5 medium + 2 heavy on that char anyways
2. No, i don't "give up" a 5pc bonus, the bonus is 100% uptime on major brutality without having to slot an ability
To each their own but you can keep 100% uptime on major brutality with using a 5 piece or skill slot on it.BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA1 -
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To each their own but you can keep 100% uptime on major brutality with using a 5 piece or skill slot on it.
1. Which works out just fine since i run 5 medium + 2 heavy on that char anyways
Except:
People keep saying DKS is a "waste" but they forget that it frees up an ability slot that otherwise has to be occupied by a MB ability.Dreugh king is the only way to get it 100% of the time without any effort. But it’s a waste of a 5th piece set when it’s so easy to get by other means.
One of the equipment combos for my 5/5/2 dual wielding Stamblade includes DKS and her rotation does not include any MB ability in that configuration.
It works great!
1. Dreugh King is a heavy armor set ...
2. You need to give up a 5pc bonus ...
2. No, i don't "give up" a 5pc bonus, the bonus is 100% uptime on major brutality without having to slot an ability
The only way to get 100% Major Brutality uptime without gear or skill is to use Weapon Power pots.
Again, nothing is ever "free" or conversely "wasted".
If you run WP pots, you can't use other pots that might be more beneficial to your play style, which is the case for my Stamblade.
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RavenSworn✭✭✭✭✭Dual wield + necklace / rings can still give the 5pc buff yeah? Then you don't have to worry about medium armor? Just need more time to farm.Ingame: RavenSworn, Pc / NA.
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✭✭✭RavenSworn wrote: »Dual wield + necklace / rings can still give the 5pc buff yeah? Then you don't have to worry about medium armor? Just need more time to farm.
If you did you'd lose the buff on your back bar.BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA0