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DoctorESO · January 2018

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mesmerizedish · January 2018

"Most Effective Tactic Available" is a backronym. In this context, meta originated as an abbreviation of "metagame" in the first sense you've listed. Then at some point someone thought they'd be clever and coin the expansion as in your second sense.

But why are you posting this?

JamuThatsWho · January 2018

mesmerizedish wrote: »

But why are you posting this?

Fishing for forum badges.

Danikat · January 2018

mesmerizedish wrote: »

"Most Effective Tactic Available" is a backronym. In this context, meta originated as an abbreviation of "metagame" in the first sense you've listed. Then at some point someone thought they'd be clever and coin the expansion as in your second sense.

But why are you posting this?

Agreed.

In a normal, non-meta game scenario you pick skills, stats etc. from what's currently available to you, based on what seems best overall, then go into each encounter and try to work out how to win using the tools (skills and stats) you've got available.

Meta-gaming is 'playing' the game outside of the game - you find out what you're going to be facing, what's the best way to beat it and how to get those stats and prepare in advance. Not necessarily for each encounter but at least for major or very common ones.

Until a few years ago I'd only heard it applied to PvP - finding out what tactics/teams/builds were currently popular and planning ways to beat them before the match even began. I'm not sure if that's where it started or just where I first heard it. But either way it seems to have spread to being used as a term for all types of currently popular builds.

DoctorESO · January 2018

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Deloth_Vyrr · January 2018

DoctorESO wrote: »

So when one says "this build is meta," is that the proper use of the term?

If "meta" is short for "metagame," then "this build is metagame" does not seem to make sense.

The metagame is the game behind the game. The term in itself does not refer to what's the best and what's the worst.

It is technically improper use of the term, but the meaning behind it is accurate. The actual meta-gaming is the process of discovering/creating the build itself. Therefore people classify the build as "meta" as that's how it came to exist, and thus the person is now using a meta build.

C0L0SSUS · January 2018

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Danikat · January 2018

DoctorESO wrote: »

So when one says "this build is meta," is that the proper use of the term?

If "meta" is short for "metagame," then "this build is metagame" does not seem to make sense.

The metagame is the game behind the game. The term in itself does not refer to what's the best and what's the worst.

Technically no, it's not correct. Although when you're trying to insert Latin words without a direct translation into an English sentence things get tricky anyway.

"This is a meta-game build" would be correct, but it's not as easily shortened. I was going to say something snarky about gamers and trying to use as few words as possible, but the scientists I work with do much the same thing with all kinds of phrases. I think it's just what people do when you're saying the same things a lot and can be reasonably confident everyone involved will understand it even if the full sentence isn't included.

Gronk · January 2018

Gronk dont need no stinkin badges. no grammar either. thanks for explain meta. i sleep then later play with you. k bye now

Turelus · January 2018

JamuThatsWho wrote: »

mesmerizedish wrote: »

But why are you posting this?

Fishing for forum badges.

*takes notes*

DoctorESO · January 2018

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StrawberryKitsune · January 2018

On a slightly different note, what percentage of the eso population do you think can actually effectively use pve dps meta builds and are getting the 30k plus dps? I am just curious about that really.

Rohamad_Ali · January 2018

StrawberryKitsune wrote: »

On a slightly different note, what percentage of the eso population do you think can actually effectively use pve dps meta builds and are getting the 30k plus dps? I am just curious about that really.

"Can" or "will" by pitting forth the effort ?

Turelus · January 2018

StrawberryKitsune wrote: »

On a slightly different note, what percentage of the eso population do you think can actually effectively use pve dps meta builds and are getting the 30k plus dps? I am just curious about that really.

I use meta builds, perfect gear my lack of 30k is entirely player skill.

Voxicity · January 2018

Kinda like metal but without the L

Integral1900 · January 2018

For me Meta is whatever accomplishes your personal goals in game the best. Mine used to be vet hard mode trials but I’ve run that race and I’m not going back any time soon, my meta is now that a build be rugged, characterful, fun, cinematic and able to help new players through group content

magictucktuck · January 2018

StrawberryKitsune wrote: »

On a slightly different note, what percentage of the eso population do you think can actually effectively use pve dps meta builds and are getting the 30k plus dps? I am just curious about that really.

Honestly I would think like 2 percent lol. I mean its rare they I have a dps that I don't carry in a random dungeon. I just pug them. and I mean most people don't have a clue how to play their role. and I'm not the best pver but I am over 30k dps. I'm pretty good but I'm better at pvp

StrawberryKitsune · January 2018

I was just curious is all and yeah I guess there must a bunch of people that would be capable but just can't be bothered. I broke the 30k mark myself today on the test dummy (not that impressive I know xD) but it got me thinking about those high dps players out there and how many of them there are as a percentage of the population as a whole.

Nolic1 · January 2018

Meta means the group make up used or tactic used to beat an encounter. It was created in games like Magic The Gathering for the term of your deck it was a meta strategy. In MMO's it is the make up your group that has the best advantage at beating a dungeon or raid mostly got used for raid content set ups. In the case of the game its the meta strategy to beat trials and the best group make up for it.

A build being meta is a build designed around the current meta which is DK tanks dps and templar healers the only thing that has changed mostly in it is the dps set ups. The meta was not set in this game until people figured out what worked best and that did not happen till trials came into the game with Craglorn but became more defined as time went on and as this happened more of the trial scene became meta locked just like most mmo's do but the thing is why create a game with so many options if your content only works with the restrictions many claim the meta to have?

This game also has a PvP meta but there is no one strategy in PvP its about the changing strategy and how people have alot of different builds for PvP but not PvE.

bloodthirstyvampire · January 2018

Meta is where if you don't have absolute bis your worthless according to a very small minority called elitist

Tasear · January 2018

Mainstream

Gronk · January 2018

DoctorESO wrote: »

Gronk wrote: »

Gronk dont need no stinkin badges. no grammar either. thanks for explain meta. i sleep then later play with you. k bye now

Hahaha Isn't Gronk from Guild Wars 2?

you never saw me here. got it....

wenchmore420b14_ESO · January 2018

Well, when ever you all decide what "Meta" means, add it here... Huzzah!
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/136290/the-eso-slang-and-abbreviation-dictionary/p1

Katrk · January 2018

Take my advice, and listen closely. I’ve been on this game since it launched and never used the forums until about 2 nights ago. I’ve learned the best builds are what you make. I’m halfway to CP 500, and am not using any of the meta builds and breezing through overland and soloable content. Every dps class spec can work effectively, it’s all about how you arrange your Champion point distribution and tailor your armor set to the spec. My top favorite dps specs are Ice Warden, Earthen Heart Dragon Knight, and Blood Magic Nightblade. Do the spec of your choice and you’ll have more fun.

Sheezabeast · January 2018

Meta = FoTM (flavor of the month)

Unfadingsilence · January 2018

https://youtu.be/WpynAT3vXUw

Unfadingsilence · January 2018

^^^^ all you need to know

MLGProPlayer · January 2018

Danikat wrote: »

mesmerizedish wrote: »

"Most Effective Tactic Available" is a backronym. In this context, meta originated as an abbreviation of "metagame" in the first sense you've listed. Then at some point someone thought they'd be clever and coin the expansion as in your second sense.

But why are you posting this?

Agreed.

In a normal, non-meta game scenario you pick skills, stats etc. from what's currently available to you, based on what seems best overall, then go into each encounter and try to work out how to win using the tools (skills and stats) you've got available.

Meta-gaming is 'playing' the game outside of the game - you find out what you're going to be facing, what's the best way to beat it and how to get those stats and prepare in advance. Not necessarily for each encounter but at least for major or very common ones.

Until a few years ago I'd only heard it applied to PvP - finding out what tactics/teams/builds were currently popular and planning ways to beat them before the match even began. I'm not sure if that's where it started or just where I first heard it. But either way it seems to have spread to being used as a term for all types of currently popular builds.

This is false. You determine the meta game by playing the game. You try out sets and stats until you find the optimal combination. It has nothing to do with what's popular.

gabormezo · January 2018

Meta build means Alcast's build.

Motherball · January 2018

I always thought Meta is the opposite of Micro. Instead if micro managing resources and units in the game, like in a RTS, you are meta managing a class build as part of a group; you are the unit.

Perhaps I am wrong because the above has little to do with efficiency, in which, unless implied, other posts here are more convincing.

The_Brosteen · January 2018

Tasear wrote: »

Mainstream

In this game at least and how the "famous" players use the term, meta is simply a synonym of popular or mainstream. Although sometimes I don't think they actually realize that's what they are saying.