Ugh. There was a time when there was no "Miats"

It's a dodgeable attack . Turn up your combat sound effects and just listen for it .

Waffennacht wrote: »

Ugh. There was a time when there was no "Miats"

Yes and it was much more effective to run 3 proc sets during this time. Game has changed. Any PvP player on console that is more than a zergling agrees snipe is broken (again, not overpowered). It's literally only PC players and snipers themselves that refuse to acknowledge how broken the skill is. Permablock builds with burst damage were also around for a long time and nobody really complained until recently. Meta shifts simply brought it to the forefront, which will happen with snipe, assuming MIATs actually dies out.

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

It's a dodgeable attack . Turn up your combat sound effects and just listen for it .

It's not just that snipe is easier to dodge on PC thanks to MIATs, it's also that snipe builds are much more prevalent BECAUSE there is no MIATs.

Regardless, I can dodge a snipe just fine. So can any PvP player worth their salt. However, I've had some fights vs +7 players and +3 were spamming snipe. Some of their tooltips read for 14k and most run the morph that applies Major Defile. It's like a ranged Incap spam, and tbh I'd rather be hit with an Incap than a snipe.

When people would spam jesus beam at full health people called for a nerf. Jesus beam is interruptable-->has counterplay-->by forum logic was therefore balanced even though it did insane damage pre nerf?

Plain truth is you don't see as many snipe builds on PC as you do on console. Snipe gank builds are the new Viper+Velidreth and are slowly becoming just as prevalent. Or are you saying that these builds were balanced? Snipe builds create the same combat environment as Viper+Velidreth builds, admittedly to a (marginally) lesser degree. Except they apply Major Defile. So even if you do survive the initial burst, you're gonna have a bad day.

On that note, the other morph of snipe isn't as much of an offender. It's primarily the Major Defile. Compare Lethal Arrow to Reverb Bash. I hate fighting someone using Reverb Bash, but I wouldn't ask for a nerf to the skill. It's damage is meh and its a a melee skill but it still has insane value in a fight thanks to Major Defile.

Anyways, if MIATs actually stops working next patch, I can guarantee snipe builds will be more prevalent on PC and the general attitude towards the skill will shift dramatically. It was the same on console after the proc nerf. You'd get hit by a snipe every now and then in PvP and say it sucked. Now it's literally every other fight and it's disheartening knowing that you were lost a winnable fight to someone who most likely doesn't know how to play but can spam Snipe from stealth.

Just go on youtube. All the 1vx'ers on console and even the people who put out snipe builds call it cancer.

Snipe is pretty broken no matter what, and we have a lot of people calling for it to go faster. Imo this attack actually needs to be slowed down more, it’s way to easy to spam right now. It’s very powerful and provides a big debuff. It should be much slower.

This thread is hilarious. Snipe is 100% a broken skill, because it is BUGGED. Heres a fun piece of information for anyone in this thread not already aware: The snipe "stacking" effect is not a lag related issue, but a VERY easy exploit of game mechanics, that requires no animation canceling or skill whatsoever making it doable even for a no thumbed antelope with a blindfold on.

Step one: Choose your target

Step two: Shoot your first snipe while moving forwards towards the target

step three: continue shooting snipes, moving forward during and between each snipe

Step four: Watch your target slide on the ground dead with half a health bar as the game registers all the snipes at once.

Yes, miats probably made it slightly easier for PC users to avoid this bug altogether simply by knowing when a snipe is being channeled on them. Lets wait for the outcry when they realize that without miats they too will feel the pain of 4 desynced snipes hitting for between 7-10k.

Snipe is definitely not OP. Just learn some situational awareness. Nightblade/stealth mechanics are pretty stupid in this game but that's a separate discussion from Snipe, as Snipe is not any more scary or powerful than Dark Flare or CFrag.

Everyone who wasn't running Snipe because of Miats will throw it on their bar long enough to figure out whether they want to run it or not.

Then players who were running Miats and weren't having to deal with Snipe will complain.

Liam12548 wrote: »

This thread is hilarious. Snipe is 100% a broken skill, because it is BUGGED. Heres a fun piece of information for anyone in this thread not already aware: The snipe "stacking" effect is not a lag related issue, but a VERY easy exploit of game mechanics, that requires no animation canceling or skill whatsoever making it doable even for a no thumbed antelope with a blindfold on.

Step one: Choose your target

Step two: Shoot your first snipe while moving forwards towards the target

step three: continue shooting snipes, moving forward during and between each snipe

Step four: Watch your target slide on the ground dead with half a health bar as the game registers all the snipes at once.

Yes, miats probably made it slightly easier for PC users to avoid this bug altogether simply by knowing when a snipe is being channeled on them. Lets wait for the outcry when they realize that without miats they too will feel the pain of 4 desynced snipes hitting for between 7-10k.

God forbid that I move towards my target. That's just unfair!

It's the lag between you and the server that gets me killed by this skill honestly. Plus, audio doesn't work when they HA>stun>Snipe(player1) AND you get hit by HA->(player 2) from stealth. There is no counter play to it when lag is involved.

Have you run into people using turbo for Snipe @IAVITNI ? Tact and I have died to one yellow able to stack multiple snipes in under a few seconds.

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

It's the lag between you and the server that gets me killed by this skill honestly. Plus, audio doesn't work when they HA>stun>Snipe(player1) AND you get hit by HA->(player 2) from stealth. There is no counter play to it when lag is involved.

Have you run into people using turbo for Snipe @IAVITNI ? Tact and I have died to one yellow able to stack multiple snipes in under a few seconds.

I've had one kill recap that showed 4 snipes from one person. I play all alliances so not too sure if it was a yellow or not. I do know PS4 AD has a sniper guild so if I had to take make an assumption I'd say it was a yellow.

DocFrost72 wrote: »

( insert ability name ) isn't OP when a zerg uses it, it's just broken.

Shall we try the template together?

Warden birds isn't OP when a zerg uses it, it's just broken.

DK talons isn't OP when a zerg uses it, it's just broken.

Mages fury isn't OP when a zerg uses it, it's just broken.

Soul assault isn't OP when a zerg uses it, it's just broken.

Radiant destruction isn't OP when a zerg uses it, it's just broken.


Rest assured, this template can give you hundreds of new threads and keep forum goers busy a while! Just don't shatter the illusion and mention that-

Outnumbered pvp is your gripe.

Except I don't play near zergs. Even then, arguably it's hardly an issue since you have more people spamming heals than people spamming snipe in a zerg. Outnumbered pvp isn't my group. It's the game I play.Birds, talons, fury, Radiant, even soul assault are all things that I can deal with because I actually have the time to re-act both before and after I can distance myself from talons, anticipate radiant/soul assault, disengage/heal before a fury or LoS/stay near a bird spammer. What I can't do is anticipate getting hit by +2 snipes from the same person simultaneously. Asides from being able to apply Major Defile from a distance while dealing a 14k tooltip hit, I'd agree that snipe needs a buff (read: fix). Sure it's not how the skill is intended to work but that's how it's working. A broken mechanic is a broken mechanic regardless of intent.

And I and many others can easily argue that Soul Assault is slightly overtuned. 70% snare on top of everything else...

SodanTok wrote: »

So you predicted that after ~3 years in which snipe was literally getting worse by outside means every patch. They will suddenly change something because they decided to finally change API that allowed unintentional things that weren't even possible on consoles, where 1/2 or 2/3 player base plays?

But yes it is broken skill, created in very distant past by people with very clear combat intention that then changed their opinion (well, new people come in too i guess) of how combat is supposed to be and how it should be balanced, without actually ever touching some abilities (notably Snipe) in any other way other than nerf nerf nerf.

If you create one shot ability and balance it around this great power and then change everything including the damage and peoples survivability so it becomes 4 shot ability with the disadvantages of one shot ability, it is bound to be broken. Now you need 4 people using it at the same time to get the one shot capability that it is designed for. And if some local PVPers and streamers had any say it it, it would require at least 20 people for it, still with all the disadvantages of one shot ability.

Ya that is pretty much what I'm predicting. I can go into any alliance, type Snipe OP and watch chat light up. My guilds are even better but for arguments sake, I'd assume anyone with a brain would call bias there. Snipers on console are universally hated. I've been in AvAvA small scale fights that are a complete chaos and see a sniper fire a single shot and watch as all 3 alliances work in tandem to make sure that sniper dies. Majority of console players dislike snipe and want a change. Nobody on the forums or PC seems to care and MIATs is arguably the biggest offender.

How about this comparison. Viper+velidreth (pre crit nerf) was nerfed because it was unhealthy gameplay, allowing players to 1 shot opponents simply by hitting a single gap closer such as ambush. Snipe allows players to do the same thing. Sure maybe they have to press the button twice, but, and correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think double tapping a button while walking forward can be called skilled or healthy gameplay.

Justify Viper+velidreth critable gank builds than I'll reconsider my stance on snipe.

If they nerf it for PvP, it'll make it useless and pointless for PvE.

In PvE I like going into stealth so that my first shot is Snipe, followed by my changing bars and finishing the mob off with dual wield. (Not for dungeons, but heck yeah for overland play.) If they destroy Snipe, they'll destroy the whole reason Snipe exists in the first place.

Arnt they putt8ng in a big red sign when someone can be interuppted agsin? Isn't it hypocritical for zos to do that?