Leaderboard PVP ranks

Debles · January 2018

So as everybody knows, getting AP during a campaign in Alliance war makes a higher rank with every few stacks of points.

Now my Idea to make it more of a challenge to get AP in PVP and rank up. Why not make a leaderboard for it. Character with the most AP on place 1 and so on..

Like or dislike? Anyway it's just an idea.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · January 2018

Debles wrote: »

So as everybody knows, getting AP during a campaign in Alliance war makes a higher rank with every few stacks of points.

Now my Idea to make it more of a challenge to get AP in PVP and rank up. Why not make a leaderboard for it. Character with the most AP on place 1 and so on..

Like or dislike? Anyway it's just an idea.

It takes like 65 million AP to reach max alliance rank. You want to increase that? Most players will never get anywhere near that. AS to a leaderboad, um..., we already have that for each campaign. Not exactly sure what it is that you want.

Apache_Kid · January 2018

No way. It's already taking me forever to rank up. Don't make max level further away. That'll only encourage more people to play leech and sit outside keeps on their mounts while other people siege and then move on to the next one as soon as it ticks.

Debles · January 2018

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Debles wrote: »

So as everybody knows, getting AP during a campaign in Alliance war makes a higher rank with every few stacks of points.

Now my Idea to make it more of a challenge to get AP in PVP and rank up. Why not make a leaderboard for it. Character with the most AP on place 1 and so on..

Like or dislike? Anyway it's just an idea.

It takes like 65 million AP to reach max alliance rank. You want to increase that? Most players will never get anywhere near that. AS to a leaderboad, um..., we already have that for each campaign. Not exactly sure what it is that you want.

I never said I would increase the AP of reaching max alliance rank.

For example
1. Player 1 - Grand overlord 67,000,000 AP
2. Player 2 - Grand overlord 66,000,000 AP
3. Player 3 - Grand overlord 65,000,000 AP

idk · January 2018

Do not see the point of creating a leaderboard for the sake of creating a leaderboard.

Debles · January 2018

idk wrote: »

Do not see the point of creating a leaderboard for the sake of creating a leaderboard.

It's should be to make it more of a competition between lower PVP ranks.

EvilAutoTech · January 2018

But PvP is already competition...

Debles · January 2018

EvilAutoTech wrote: »

But PvP is already competition...

The more competition the better right?

Lieblingsjunge · January 2018

AP is a currency that can also be spent. Want to calculate it from the maximum of AP gained - or the AP you have currently?
Because one you reach 50, I'm not sure if your AP counter keeps going. But what do I know.

Debles · January 2018

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

AP is a currency that can also be spent. Want to calculate it from the maximum of AP gained - or the AP you have currently?
Because one you reach 50, I'm not sure if your AP counter keeps going. But what do I know.

From all the AP gained during you characters progress in PVP.

Taleof2Cities · January 2018

If there was a way to separate “fighting AP” from “passive AP” then I could buy into your leaderboard system with a few tweaks.

Passive AP — such as resource farming, wall repairs, and PvDoor, are unfortunately what vaults some players into the current leaderboards and emporer.

Because of that, I don’t think your idea would reward all players fairly.

Not to mention that there are very few rewards for attaining Alliance Rank anyway ... other than skill points and a handful of furnishings.

VaranisArano · January 2018

Debles wrote: »

So as everybody knows, getting AP during a campaign in Alliance war makes a higher rank with every few stacks of points.

Now my Idea to make it more of a challenge to get AP in PVP and rank up. Why not make a leaderboard for it. Character with the most AP on place 1 and so on..

Like or dislike? Anyway it's just an idea.

So like of all the Lieutenants, I would know how close I was to ranking up out of all the other Lieutenants on my server?

That just seems kind of weird.

I look with much greater envy at the people in my raid flaunting that magnificent Legate Black dye, but sadly I won't get it anytime soon since I traded my main PVP character ranked Praetorian for a new Stam Warden whose only a Lieutenant. Captain rank, here I come!

Anrose · January 2018

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

If there was a way to separate “fighting AP” from “passive AP” then I could buy into your leaderboard system with a few tweaks.

Passive AP — such as resource farming, wall repairs, and PvDoor, are unfortunately what vaults some players into the current leaderboards and emporer.

Because of that, I don’t think your idea would reward all players fairly.

Not to mention that there are very few rewards for attaining Alliance Rank anyway ... other than skill points and a handful of furnishings.

There is an addon that can tell you how much AP you earn from captures, defenses, and combat in a given session. Since this is already in the API, something like this could be possible.

Ragnarock41 · January 2018

yeah, lets make it even more of a grindfest... grind... grind... grind AP all day..

IF you have literally no social life you can even be the emperor!

Debles · January 2018

VaranisArano wrote: »

Debles wrote: »

So as everybody knows, getting AP during a campaign in Alliance war makes a higher rank with every few stacks of points.

Now my Idea to make it more of a challenge to get AP in PVP and rank up. Why not make a leaderboard for it. Character with the most AP on place 1 and so on..

Like or dislike? Anyway it's just an idea.

So like of all the Lieutenants, I would know how close I was to ranking up out of all the other Lieutenants on my server?

That just seems kind of weird.

I look with much greater envy at the people in my raid flaunting that magnificent Legate Black dye, but sadly I won't get it anytime soon since I traded my main PVP character ranked Praetorian for a new Stam Warden whose only a Lieutenant. Captain rank, here I come!

Yeah exactly that, but more AP wise. Ofcourse a high rank player is not always a good PVP player, but it's also a fun thing to know how much AP for the next rank and how much AP to beat your guildys/friends in the Leaderboard.

Aisle9 · January 2018

"Let's make a leaderboard"

"We already have a leaderboard"

"Not that one, another one"

... ok ?

Leandor · January 2018

Aisle9 wrote: »

"Let's make a leaderboard"

"We already have a leaderboard"

"Not that one, another one"

... ok ?

This.

Debles wrote: »

From all the AP gained during you characters progress in PVP.

That one right there implies that he probably has several characters in mid-range ranks and is jealous of those 5-star people, so he wants something to show that actually he has gained more AP than others...

MakoFore · January 2018

i think AP is one thing thats fine- thats for people who want to grind. it rewards how much u are contributing to ur campaign alliance. its sort of like Points per game in the nba- or more succinctly total points.

what i d like to see is a PER - player efficiency rating- that rewards damage done/healing/damage received/defence/offence/kleeps taken/kills/assists and deaths- basically something that we can see who the real top players are. reward players who fight more outnumbered- that those that outnumber and so on. we can continue with the AP ranking system- but if this game - pvp in BG and cyrodil is ever going to becoe something close to what other game s like overwatch, dota , lol etc have in terms of viewership and serious competitive gameplay- then we need a ssytem that evaluates performance effectively. yes i ve said it before- and yes i ll say it again and again til we get it.

Debles · January 2018

Leandor wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

"Let's make a leaderboard"

"We already have a leaderboard"

"Not that one, another one"

... ok ?

This.

Debles wrote: »

From all the AP gained during you characters progress in PVP.

That one right there implies that he probably has several characters in mid-range ranks and is jealous of those 5-star people, so he wants something to show that actually he has gained more AP than others...

Exactly not, I have only 3 characters.. oke kinda mid rank 2 captains, 1 centurion. But what do you really want me to say. Want a discussion about who is right and who is wrong. Please go and visit another forum in this case.

Aisle9 · January 2018

Debles wrote: »

Leandor wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

"Let's make a leaderboard"

"We already have a leaderboard"

"Not that one, another one"

... ok ?

This.

Debles wrote: »

From all the AP gained during you characters progress in PVP.

That one right there implies that he probably has several characters in mid-range ranks and is jealous of those 5-star people, so he wants something to show that actually he has gained more AP than others...

Exactly not, I have only 3 characters.. oke kinda mid rank 2 captains, 1 centurion. But what do you really want me to say. Want a discussion about who is right and who is wrong. Please go and visit another forum in this case.

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Don't want your ideas challenged, don't post them in a public forum.

You asked if people liked it or disliked it. Some people dislike it. Is that a good reason to ask them to leave ? No, it's a terrible reason, unless you want an echo chamber of people that only agree with you.

Have a nice day.

ArchMikem · January 2018

Debles wrote: »

EvilAutoTech wrote: »

But PvP is already competition...

The more competition the better right?

Getting your name next to a number on a list isnt what I call fun.

Most_Awesome · January 2018

PvP titles and leader boards mean nothing, AP gained means nothing.

Just look at at the campaign leader boards as they are now the top 10 are either all members of the same choo choo ball or PvD Night capers, and as for actual PvP rank not once have I come across someone and gone oh crap he's a Warlord I better run LOL

It's all about the @Name, said player will still be good/bad if he/she is on a Warlord or Sergeant. Creating more leader boards for more leader boards that mean nothing is pointless.

VaranisArano · January 2018

Debles wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Debles wrote: »

So as everybody knows, getting AP during a campaign in Alliance war makes a higher rank with every few stacks of points.

Now my Idea to make it more of a challenge to get AP in PVP and rank up. Why not make a leaderboard for it. Character with the most AP on place 1 and so on..

Like or dislike? Anyway it's just an idea.

So like of all the Lieutenants, I would know how close I was to ranking up out of all the other Lieutenants on my server?

That just seems kind of weird.

I look with much greater envy at the people in my raid flaunting that magnificent Legate Black dye, but sadly I won't get it anytime soon since I traded my main PVP character ranked Praetorian for a new Stam Warden whose only a Lieutenant. Captain rank, here I come!

Yeah exactly that, but more AP wise. Ofcourse a high rank player is not always a good PVP player, but it's also a fun thing to know how much AP for the next rank and how much AP to beat your guildys/friends in the Leaderboard.

If you are a high-ranking player, you may not be a good PVPer, but you do know how to make AP.

I made Praetorian on my MagDK Healer before I retired her from my organized raid. I'm not very good with her in a 1v1 fight, I've won maybe 5 1v1 fights with her? But she can get a group healed under oils and heavy siege fire on a ram taking a keep and she can help her group defend a keep while throwing slows in the breach, and since she's a Dunmer, she's nasty on fire siege and oils. She's helped out with a bunch of emperor pushes, played the map a ton, can solo resources, and so even if she's not a "good pvper" by the standards of player who hold that player fighting skill is the be-all, end-all of PVP, she was pretty darned good at racking up the AP when I was playing her regularly.

Maybe I just find the campaign leaderboards sufficient? A rank leaderboard seems more like a measure of how much a person plays than anything else.

Also, you can see how much AP you need to rank up by hovering over the AP bar that shows you how much AP you need til the next rank.

Dawnblade · January 2018

MakoFore wrote: »

i think AP is one thing thats fine- thats for people who want to grind. it rewards how much u are contributing to ur campaign alliance. its sort of like Points per game in the nba- or more succinctly total points.

what i d like to see is a PER - player efficiency rating- that rewards damage done/healing/damage received/defence/offence/kleeps taken/kills/assists and deaths- basically something that we can see who the real top players are. reward players who fight more outnumbered- that those that outnumber and so on. we can continue with the AP ranking system- but if this game - pvp in BG and cyrodil is ever going to becoe something close to what other game s like overwatch, dota , lol etc have in terms of viewership and serious competitive gameplay- then we need a ssytem that evaluates performance effectively. yes i ve said it before- and yes i ll say it again and again til we get it.

Unless or until they create some sort of balanced, bracketed and ranked ladder based system for PVP like that which exists in those other e-sport games mentioned (which typically also means small scale arena style play - not giant maps full of players doing everything from actually fighting to questing to collecting skyshards like in Cyrodiil), you won't find 'serious competitive gameplay' like that in ESO.

Cyrodiil is never going to be an e-sport, not with random players against random players, numerical and faction imbalances, major power imbalances such as CP and gear, ability for players to 'spy', etc.

If you really want to test your mettle against other players online in 'serious competitive gameplay' - then you'll need to play one of those other games designed for such.