Welcome to PvP "balance" - If I see several players beating on a tanky build with no progress being made, I usually just walk away. Ain't nobody got time for that.

First thing to consider, cheat engine is alive and well in PvP and if you are in Cyradiil quite a bit you learn who is using it and just ignore them as best you can.

There are a few really good players that PvP it seems all day every day and can easily take out four people if those four people are not well coordinated on their attacks. If they are around terrain where they can line of sight they become much tougher. Best to remember who they are and leave them be when you can.

Permablock builds are all the rage now but usually they are harmless other than wasting your time. Again ignoring them is the way to go.

It is sad that is what PvP has become but when you see a group of eight or more players from an elite PvP guild piling on one character and doing no damage at all you know something is up with that one player and it is best to just leave them be.

Based on his abilities, you just got bled out for a few seconds while whilst he sort of semi turtled/kited then burst you. Not too hard, for survivability probably running lingering, immo pots. And using 7th/hurricane for lots of passive healing so it looked like you didn't hurt him.

There are some tricky builds out there right now, a lot of them are very defensive while still maintaining burst potential if they line it up right. It usually involves procs, delayed damage abilities, and ultimates. I would bet that is what you ran into.

Block builds are usually pretty strong on defense because of the amount of mitigation built into blocking, then with reducing the cost of blocking... permablock becomes a viable defense. At that point, charge your ultimate, proc your sets, prepare your delayed damage abilities, and get a hopeful burst.

Block builds are a real cancer to PvP, a good blocker will stand up to several skilled attackers. He can usually only kill inexperienced players with his limited bursts, but it can be frustrating for skilled players to deal with, and makes new players want to quit PvP because they feel useless and ineffective.

Another problem can be that in the case of shields and healing, offensive stats are also used as defensive stats, meaning that if you stack your offensive abilities you will also have very powerful shields and heals... which means that you become stronger both offensively and defensively.

This becomes a problem when you have someone stacked on offensive skills, with enough defense running to prevent from being burst down. Then throw in strong heals over time, and outstanding burst. This is the recipe you are seeing from a ton of people that farm noobs. Their sustain is often on the lower side which is why they run circles and line of sight, building ultimate, buffing, and recovering resources. They separate the pack to get the numbers in their favor then go in for a well timed burst, bringing down another noob who followed them without realizing they were about to turn around and burst... typically a heavy attack, spammable, ulti drop.

Good luck out there. Take a breather when you are frustrated. Try to figure out what kills you every time you die. Don't succumb to frustration because you will become less effective. Just keep learning, it will take time.

kargen27 wrote: »

First thing to consider, cheat engine is alive and well in PvP and if you are in Cyradiil quite a bit you learn who is using it and just ignore them as best you can.

There are a few really good players that PvP it seems all day every day and can easily take out four people if those four people are not well coordinated on their attacks. If they are around terrain where they can line of sight they become much tougher. Best to remember who they are and leave them be when you can.

Permablock builds are all the rage now but usually they are harmless other than wasting your time. Again ignoring them is the way to go.

It is sad that is what PvP has become but when you see a group of eight or more players from an elite PvP guild piling on one character and doing no damage at all you know something is up with that one player and it is best to just leave them be.

OP, please disregard players like this.

Right now you’re at a fork in the road of your ESO gaming.

Route 1: you realize that this is a skill based game with a steep learning curve, where it IS possible to actually be a true hero and win 1v4. You set out to improve yourself knowing that it will take a loooong time and a lot of effort to get to the level you want to reach. But you’re excited to know that it’s possible and you treat every loss as a learning opportunity.

Route 2: your ego gets the better of you, and when you lose a fight against someone who has practiced and experienced PvP more than you and spent more time researching and farming builds and strategies than you, you get upset. Rather than acknowledging the effort, time, and talent that the other player put in to best you, you lash out and call them a cheater (cheat engine stopped working over a year ago and only worked for a weekend anyway) or you blame ZOS for coding in “bad mechanics” and then come and whine about it on the message boards.

Getting angry takes a lot less effort than “getting good”

PS your defile should come from incap not from a disease glyph.
PPS when it does proc, which is rare, the defile on a disease glyph doesn’t even effect bosmer or argonians
PPPS the best thing about this game is that winning a 1v4 is possible, even when your gear is on a similar level with your opponents’. That knowledge is what kept me going through the phase you’re going through now

Nyladreas wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

First thing to consider, cheat engine is alive and well in PvP and if you are in Cyradiil quite a bit you learn who is using it and just ignore them as best you can.

There are a few really good players that PvP it seems all day every day and can easily take out four people if those four people are not well coordinated on their attacks. If they are around terrain where they can line of sight they become much tougher. Best to remember who they are and leave them be when you can.

Permablock builds are all the rage now but usually they are harmless other than wasting your time. Again ignoring them is the way to go.

It is sad that is what PvP has become but when you see a group of eight or more players from an elite PvP guild piling on one character and doing no damage at all you know something is up with that one player and it is best to just leave them be.

OP, please disregard players like this.

Right now you’re at a fork in the road of your ESO gaming.

Route 1: you realize that this is a skill based game with a steep learning curve, where it IS possible to actually be a true hero and win 1v4. You set out to improve yourself knowing that it will take a loooong time and a lot of effort to get to the level you want to reach. But you’re excited to know that it’s possible and you treat every loss as a learning opportunity.

Route 2: your ego gets the better of you, and when you lose a fight against someone who has practiced and experienced PvP more than you and spent more time researching and farming builds and strategies than you, you get upset. Rather than acknowledging the effort, time, and talent that the other player put in to best you, you lash out and call them a cheater (cheat engine stopped working over a year ago and only worked for a weekend anyway) or you blame ZOS for coding in “bad mechanics” and then come and whine about it on the message boards.

Getting angry takes a lot less effort than “getting good”

PS your defile should come from incap not from a disease glyph.
PPS when it does proc, which is rare, the defile on a disease glyph doesn’t even effect bosmer or argonians
PPPS the best thing about this game is that winning a 1v4 is possible, even when your gear is on a similar level with your opponents’. That knowledge is what kept me going through the phase you’re going through now

I'm definitely in the option #1 what frustrates me is the whole uncertainty, no access to actually good information, people treating you like *** and laughing at you when you're asking for help. All that together is just annoyance. I want to have fun in the game, i have enough stress irl as it is.

Thank you for your post though, that really does help.

Also to your PS, i do use it, I did land it, it seemed to do nothing to be honest yes his hp dropped a little but then he just dodged through everything.

You see where I'm coming from right?

From your other posts, it would seem you play a StamNB correct? StamNB natively does not have a lot of good defensive's going for it--when it is not cloaking. There is often going to be a time when you'll have to bite the bullet and die. It's a big part of L2P.

Don't get frustrated, use that energy to think. Let's think about what you did, what the opponent did and problem solve where the right route to go with it is. You said you were in a group of 4 right?

It's a simple process, but it'll take experience to see progress.

Thogard wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

First thing to consider, cheat engine is alive and well in PvP and if you are in Cyradiil quite a bit you learn who is using it and just ignore them as best you can.

There are a few really good players that PvP it seems all day every day and can easily take out four people if those four people are not well coordinated on their attacks. If they are around terrain where they can line of sight they become much tougher. Best to remember who they are and leave them be when you can.

Permablock builds are all the rage now but usually they are harmless other than wasting your time. Again ignoring them is the way to go.

It is sad that is what PvP has become but when you see a group of eight or more players from an elite PvP guild piling on one character and doing no damage at all you know something is up with that one player and it is best to just leave them be.

OP, please disregard players like this.

Right now you’re at a fork in the road of your ESO gaming.

Route 1: you realize that this is a skill based game with a steep learning curve, where it IS possible to actually be a true hero and win 1v4. You set out to improve yourself knowing that it will take a loooong time and a lot of effort to get to the level you want to reach. But you’re excited to know that it’s possible and you treat every loss as a learning opportunity.

Route 2: your ego gets the better of you, and when you lose a fight against someone who has practiced and experienced PvP more than you and spent more time researching and farming builds and strategies than you, you get upset. Rather than acknowledging the effort, time, and talent that the other player put in to best you, you lash out and call them a cheater (cheat engine stopped working over a year ago and only worked for a weekend anyway) or you blame ZOS for coding in “bad mechanics” and then come and whine about it on the message boards.

Getting angry takes a lot less effort than “getting good”

PS your defile should come from incap not from a disease glyph.
PPS when it does proc, which is rare, the defile on a disease glyph doesn’t even effect bosmer or argonians
PPPS the best thing about this game is that winning a 1v4 is possible, even when your gear is on a similar level with your opponents’. That knowledge is what kept me going through the phase you’re going through now

I'm definitely in the option #1 what frustrates me is the whole uncertainty, no access to actually good information, people treating you like *** and laughing at you when you're asking for help. All that together is just annoyance. I want to have fun in the game, i have enough stress irl as it is.

Thank you for your post though, that really does help.

Also to your PS, i do use it, I did land it, it seemed to do nothing to be honest yes his hp dropped a little but then he just dodged through everything.

You see where I'm coming from right?

Yeah absolutely.

Out of curiosity do you know what the graphic / animation for a troll king proc looks like? That healing ignores defile. Was this guy running TK?

Also the seventh legion proc has a graphic that’s harder to spot, but it’s there if you know what to look for.

But most of all with stamsorc you have to know what their dark deal animation looks, and you have to vigilantly bash it when you see it. The trick is to know when they might be running low on Stam (and if they’re running TK and 7th legion, they’ll probably be low on Stam at some point) and be able to anticipate when they’ll dark deal. When it happens, bash them, and keep your damage up, and they’ll die.

The TK animation is very hard to catch. It's a light green animation very close to the body - similar to nightblades red glowy animation, but green.

Tells like that are one thing I wish we had more of. Not the subtley of TK as is of course, but if your opponent can't see the proc, he's already at a disadvantage..

We need stronger animation tells that aren't cones and circles.

Thogard wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

First thing to consider, cheat engine is alive and well in PvP and if you are in Cyradiil quite a bit you learn who is using it and just ignore them as best you can.

There are a few really good players that PvP it seems all day every day and can easily take out four people if those four people are not well coordinated on their attacks. If they are around terrain where they can line of sight they become much tougher. Best to remember who they are and leave them be when you can.

Permablock builds are all the rage now but usually they are harmless other than wasting your time. Again ignoring them is the way to go.

It is sad that is what PvP has become but when you see a group of eight or more players from an elite PvP guild piling on one character and doing no damage at all you know something is up with that one player and it is best to just leave them be.

OP, please disregard players like this.

Right now you’re at a fork in the road of your ESO gaming.

Route 1: you realize that this is a skill based game with a steep learning curve, where it IS possible to actually be a true hero and win 1v4. You set out to improve yourself knowing that it will take a loooong time and a lot of effort to get to the level you want to reach. But you’re excited to know that it’s possible and you treat every loss as a learning opportunity.

Route 2: your ego gets the better of you, and when you lose a fight against someone who has practiced and experienced PvP more than you and spent more time researching and farming builds and strategies than you, you get upset. Rather than acknowledging the effort, time, and talent that the other player put in to best you, you lash out and call them a cheater (cheat engine stopped working over a year ago and only worked for a weekend anyway) or you blame ZOS for coding in “bad mechanics” and then come and whine about it on the message boards.

Getting angry takes a lot less effort than “getting good”

PS your defile should come from incap not from a disease glyph.
PPS when it does proc, which is rare, the defile on a disease glyph doesn’t even effect bosmer or argonians
PPPS the best thing about this game is that winning a 1v4 is possible, even when your gear is on a similar level with your opponents’. That knowledge is what kept me going through the phase you’re going through now

I'm definitely in the option #1 what frustrates me is the whole uncertainty, no access to actually good information, people treating you like *** and laughing at you when you're asking for help. All that together is just annoyance. I want to have fun in the game, i have enough stress irl as it is.

Thank you for your post though, that really does help.

Also to your PS, i do use it, I did land it, it seemed to do nothing to be honest yes his hp dropped a little but then he just dodged through everything.

You see where I'm coming from right?

Yeah absolutely.

Out of curiosity do you know what the graphic / animation for a troll king proc looks like? That healing ignores defile. Was this guy running TK?

Also the seventh legion proc has a graphic that’s harder to spot, but it’s there if you know what to look for.

But most of all with stamsorc you have to know what their dark deal animation looks, and you have to vigilantly bash it when you see it. The trick is to know when they might be running low on Stam (and if they’re running TK and 7th legion, they’ll probably be low on Stam at some point) and be able to anticipate when they’ll dark deal. When it happens, bash them, and keep your damage up, and they’ll die.

The TK animation is very hard to catch. It's a light green animation very close to the body - similar to nightblades red glowy animation, but green.

TK is extremely easy to notice. It covers the entire player model, is opaque, moves significantly, glows, and is sparkly. I can’t think of a defensive set other than earthgore that is easier to spot. And I’m color blind and always thought it was red. TIL.

7th legion is a hard-to-notice proc.

Not on console, PC has a much clearer picture (well the new Xbox is better but I don't have that)