Cleansing is one of the few things that make templars viable, stop ruining crap just because you can't kill everyone in PVP

Severely decrease the cost if they lower the number of things purged.

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

They can cleanse up to 5-6 negatives. How bout just cut that number to 3? Simple and stam/magdk could actually stand a chance against magplars you know...they can spam it anyway just make them hve to actually spam it if they have multiple dots. Hell i would be happy with it cleansing 2 instead of 5

You simply do not know what you are talking about- much like the majority of the PvP population who bash on Templars all day and night without even playing/played the class. (assumption of course).

ZOS already attempted to implement your proposed change before after similar 'constructive' feedback as you've given in your OP in PTS Patch v2.4.0. PTS Patch v2.4.2 It was changed to 5 instead of 2 already, you know why? Because there are so many skills that have additional effects that are considered negative effects.

So when it was changed to 2 by the time you had cleansed what ever debuffs were applied to you they were already being re applied. If you fought a DK on the the PTS at the time you would be perma rooted. Not fun for a class whose primary damage output is a frontal cone.

Every time you would cleanse you would maybe remove a DoT, a debuff, a passive snare etc, but you wouldn't be able to cleanse the Talons root because there were too many negative effects on you which the DK would constantly be reapplying to put pressure on you.

Compare this to open world Cyrodiil where there are numerous people stacking negative effects on you, the skill becomes almost redundant at that point and may as well be changed to something else.

So unless ZOS implements some form of prioritisation system for cleansing (prioritising movement debuffs, such as roots, snares then status debuffs like defile, burning and then DoT dmg last as one [snip] example) then there is no way to accommodate your proposed nerf without completely crippling the class (literally) and making it even more immobile than it already is.

(Yes I am aware that DK is basically a cleanse less Templar in terms of mobility, but that's another problem in itself entirely)

DKs and Templars hard counter one another by design, whether you consider that poor design is up to you (personally I think it is), but a equal skilled match up between a Templar and DK should almost always end in a draw.

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Put one point into siphoner

It's better to buff weaker classes to bring them in line with other classes. Nerfs just make the class less interesting to play overall.

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Templars still PvP? I mean, outside of a zergball?

Two days ago, I finished the kill wardens quest in 10 minutes. I have been stuck on kill templars ever since. I see the odd stamplar from time to time, or a pug magplar, but that's about it.

Step one: Run into a zerg fight
Step two: fire off ranged AOE into the crowd
Step three: wait for them to die

Templar kill quest finished in 10 minutes.

DHale wrote: »

Who knew... after over three thousand hours on Templar they were over powered. Must be all the top players that run Templar or top you tubers or top twitch streamers or top 20 players in the campaign that run templar or the top duelers that run Templar. Ok there are not any of those on any sever or platform but Templar purge should be nerfed... I get it, good troll post.

Yeah no top players play templar... good troll post.

This game is built on certain classes being counters to other classes.

To me it goes like this:
1. Stamblade hard counters Stam Warden
2. Stam Warden hard counters mag nb
3. Mag nb hard counters Stam Templar
4. Stam Templar hard counters mag DK
5. Mag DK hard counters stamblade


Full circle. Every class has a class / spec / skill line that it is strong against and another that it’s vulnerable to. No exceptions. Mag sorc is very vulnerable to stamdens and stam DKs and, to a lesser extend, mag DKs, but mag sorc is strong against Stam DK, stamplar, and mag warden.

Some classes are less vulnerable than others. For instance, Stam Warden is weak to stamblade, but not much else. Meanwhile, stamplar can be countered by mag nb, Stam sorc, and mag warden.

I say all this to say that you’ll always find a build or class OP when looking at it from the perspective of one class... but in reality, something is really only OP if it’s strong against ALL builds. For example, a stamden has weaknesses and counters, but it has less weaknesses atm than any other build, and is sill strong against many builds, so in that sense it is OP.

So please don’t call for a nerf because it’s strong against one class. Every class is strong against at least one class. Call for a nerf if it’s strong against ALL classes.

The influx of DKs and NBs is just too damn high!

Between this and the nerf argonian ideas...

Waffennacht wrote: »

The influx of DKs and NBs is just too damn high!

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

They can cleanse up to 5-6 negatives. How bout just cut that number to 3? Simple and stam/magdk could actually stand a chance against magplars you know...they can spam it anyway just make them hve to actually spam it if they have multiple dots. Hell i would be happy with it cleansing 2 instead of 5

Do you have a magicka Templar and if so how many hours have you played on it? It would be reasonable if you have played the class and say id be happy with this change but if not then it wont resonate with anyone other than those who also want nerfs so they have an easier time killing who they want.