Adjusting Guild Bank system to deal with those that cheat Guilds

kenjiblaster25 · January 2018

Again and again Guilds get robbed.

You either keep them open and bear it or close them and make the banks only for the few.

Why can’t we:
1) Have a read function on GBs?
2) Have a withdrawal limit on a GB, either set or customisable by GM?
3) See Zenimax deal with these cheats?

Kuramas9tails · January 2018

The new update, I believe, allows people to see what you have in the gb but not take so a member can see a recipe they don’t know and ask an admin with that power to take it out for them. Someone correct me if I’m wrong. That’s how I read it in the Patch Notes.

VaranisArano · January 2018

1) I feel silly, but what do you mean by a "read function"? Taking my best guess here, you can track deposits and withdrawals from the guild history tab. Also the ability to see what's in the GB is coming back with Update 17.

2) This would be a reasonable feature. Not foolproof, especially if the guild member gone rogue is the officer in charge of the auction or the raffle or the trader bid (or the guildmaster themselves, I've seen that happen too), but definitely a reasonable solution for guilds that want members to have some access but not all the access.

3) Not going to happen because it technically isn't a cheat. The Guildmaster freely gave this person the power to take gold and items from the guild bank, this person exercised that power exactly as the game is designed. ZOS does not offer FDIC-insurance for your guild bank. ESO gives you certain security options and leaves it up to you to trust the right people. If the guildmaster gives that power to the wrong person, that's on the Guildmaster, not ZOS. In short, stealing from a guild bank is breaking the rules of the guild, not the TOS of the game.

Prof_Bawbag · January 2018

The biggest cause of GB's being robbed are GM's allowing randoms/newcomers to withdraw. Or people who do next to nothing for the guild. Almost every guild that i have been in and allowed access to limited people, I could count on 2 fingers how many times I've seen them being plundered. Let people earn the right.

ZoS can't patch in common sense. That comes from us, the players.

Coatmagic · January 2018

Much as I love this game, no one should be sticking up for the lack of guild management functions.
ZoS (may as well have) forced people into the necessity of joining 5 guilds to trade.
Five guilds x 500 people ~ all your close friends?
This set up screams to be plundered, and yeah, I am surprised it doesn't happen more often, but I assume it's because this game doesn't have as much of an idjit playerbase as other mmos.

Anyway, good news they are fixing what they broke. Been bummed because 3 of us in my guild want to share with others but don't want to be ripped off, and once bitten... had an officer of 10 months clean out the bank.

Oh and, a few more permissions functions wouldn't hurt, ZoS (!)

kenjiblaster25 · January 2018

By read function I mean all members could have a read only function on the contents of the bank. Therefore they can see what’s there and make requests for items if they need them

Nestor · January 2018

People have been asking for Tiered Bank Privileges since Beta. Until then, the only way to combat this is to only allow trusted members to have withdraw rights. Any guild that opens their bank to all members is just asking to be ripped off.

kenjiblaster25 · January 2018

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

The biggest cause of GB's being robbed are GM's allowing randoms/newcomers to withdraw. Or people who do next to nothing for the guild. Almost every guild that i have been in and allowed access to limited people, I could count on 2 fingers how many times I've seen them being plundered. Let people earn the right.

ZoS can't patch in common sense. That comes from us, the players.

There are players that “earn the right” and then rob. So that old idea is one but it’s certainly neither foolproof nor, for me, worth sticking to. There are ways this game needs to mature and develop and better banking, for me, is one facet of that. You may not agree. That’s okay. This thread is about ideas for development, so comment with those but otherwise not.

Aisle9 · January 2018

Coatmagic wrote: »

Much as I love this game, no one should be sticking up for the lack of guild management functions.
ZoS (may as well have) forced people into the necessity of joining 5 guilds to trade.
Five guilds x 500 people ~ all your close friends?
This set up screams to be plundered, and yeah, I am surprised it doesn't happen more often, but I assume it's because this game doesn't have as much of an idjit playerbase as other mmos.

Anyway, good news they are fixing what they broke. Been bummed because 3 of us in my guild want to share with others but don't want to be ripped off, and once bitten... had an officer of 10 months clean out the bank.

Oh and, a few more permissions functions wouldn't hurt, ZoS (!)

I wish the officers in a couple guilds I'm in would clean up ... there's a lot of trash in there (._. )

People don't even stack the recipes they put int... the audacity!

VaranisArano · January 2018

kenjiblaster25 wrote: »

By read function I mean all members could have a read only function on the contents of the bank. Therefore they can see what’s there and make requests for items if they need them

This is getting added back in on Update 17.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/388819/pts-patch-notes-v3-3-0/p1
Guilds & Guild Features
Reverted the recent change to the visibility of Guild Bank items. Guild members will now be able to see the items in a Guild Bank again, even if they aren't able to withdraw them.
Note: Viewing Gold is still controlled by the guild rank permission.

MilwaukeeScott · January 2018

Have a withdrawal limit on a GB, either set or customisable by GM

Desperately needed!

Girl_Number8 · January 2018

MilwaukeeScott wrote: »

Have a withdrawal limit on a GB, either set or customisable by GM

Desperately needed!

Yes this^ plz make it happen. A lot of guilds are the real tutorial for helping players in the game. We deserve some protection while allowing for a better gaming community.