You see red Mountain used a lot?

Waffennacht wrote: »

You see red Mountain used a lot?

Not a lot nowadays...

Do you think this items proc will be similar to Red Mountains?

You know, even if it is, Soul Assault will snare its target, so you may still be able to lay waste to your victim when this sets proc is combined with the above ability...

Although I imagine the killing burst would go something like: Purifying Light, Toppling Charge, followed by SA (which would be followed by Radiant Destruction in the event that your target is still alive after SA); with a high Spell Crit, this set will proc on atleast one of those attacks on average, so the burst can be strong...

VaranisArano wrote: »

Like a lower proc, non-aoe, possibly elemental Velidreth for magicka players.

With the potential burst, it'll be used more in PVP. Its usefulness will depend on the way the projectile hits (or doesn't hit) players. If its too good of a proc set, I expect it to be all the range for a month and then get the same nerf that Viper did.

Yeah...

How it hits will be critical as to how well this set performs...

Hopefully it'll be hard to evade at close range though...

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

You see red Mountain used a lot?

Not a lot nowadays...

Do you think this items proc will be similar to Red Mountains?

You know, even if it is, Soul Assault will snare its target, so you may still be able to lay waste to your victim when this sets proc is combined with the above ability...

Although I imagine the killing burst would go something like: Purifying Light, Toppling Charge, followed by SA; with a high Spell Crit, this set will proc on atleast one of those attacks on average, so the burst can be strong...

The thing is, you don't need to add to Soul Assault to kill with it.

What I mean is, why would you run this over Skoria?

I'm assuming the animation is gonna be exactly like infernal guardian

Well, you don't need to combine it with SA to kill, but it would make your kills more certain...

Also, this set wouldn't interfere with Skoria at all as Skoria is a Monster Set and this is not; running this and Skoria would work perfectly fine, but I'd choose Slimeclaw instead as it would increase the rate at which this set would proc (and it would increase the damage of all of your dps abilities)...

Nah, it's cool, I'm sure it will see some play, just thinking it's gonna be like infernal guardian

DDuke wrote: »

You misunderstand how this set works.

It has a 10s cooldown, what your crit chance is doesn't really matter - what matters is when the proc occurs and what it's combo'd with.

I don't misunderstand anything; the set procs on a single target Magicka ability critical attack...

So, if you want it to consistently crit on cooldown, you want to have a high spell crit...

DDuke wrote: »

...and if you're a magblade, you can actually 100% guarantee it procs with Shadowy Disguise.

That's going to make it a fantastic ganking set.

DDuke wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

You misunderstand how this set works.

It has a 10s cooldown, what your crit chance is doesn't really matter - what matters is when the proc occurs and what it's combo'd with.

I don't misunderstand anything; the set procs on a single target Magicka ability critical attack...

So, if you want it to consistently crit on cooldown, you want to have a high spell crit...

Yes, it procs on a crit - but all you need is that one of your hits crits - high crit chance isn't necessary for this.

Also, as a burst oriented set you definitely don't want it to consistently proc on cooldown - you want it to proc when you need it to proc (i.e. during combo).

Let's say your combo consists of 3 different single target attacks & 2 single target DoT ticks happen during the period. In this scenario your crit chance is a measly 30%.

0,7*0,7*0,7*0,7*0,7

Congratulations, you have a 83,2% chance of proccing the set.


...and if you're a magblade, you can actually 100% guarantee it procs with Shadowy Disguise.


This set will be much, much more effective when you build upon capitalizing the extra burst it gives (proc deals more dmg than most single target abilities). This means spell dmg/penetration, other procs etc.

Ah, but I ideally want my Alpha Attack to Crit (which is almost always Purifying Light when I am going for my killing combo)...

So I ideally want Purifying Light to crit every single time its cast as a result; this is best accomplished with my Spell Crit being as high as I can possibly get it...


Making it highly likely that Purifying Light crits also has the advantage of making Purifyings burst hit as hard as it possibly can...

I envision senario's were the following will occur (and ideally as a gankplar as the build will be too squishy to fight openly):

1) Purifying Light at close range from stealth (at a 80% crit chance, the odds are it will crit here)...
2) Toppling Charge (if the new set doesn't crit on Purifying Light, then the odds become very heavy that it'll proc here at point blank range which will make it very hard to evade; especially if it CC's my victim)...
3) Soul Assault (in the very unlikely event that it doesn't proc on the 1st two abilities then its almost a certainty that it'll proc here...
4) Radiant Destruction if needed (which can potentially make the set proc in the event that it doesn't proc the 1st 3 times, but this should be very rare)......


Edit: with my idea, I would nearly equal your chance of procing the set on my 1st attack where as it takes you 5 attacks to get beyond 80% crit chance...

How it can be used is gonna massively depend on its travel time.

Looks like it'll be really effective for melee. My melee magblade is looking at this along with the miats nerf.... Magsorc though? All depends on travel time and therefore likelihood to hit at range.

I honestly think I'm not really looking forward to a return to a proc/gank meta.

All I can think of is mag wardens running ice staffs with this and infernal guardian.... shield, frost clench, deep fissure, proc, bird, crushing shock... no freaking way someone will live through that BS

Irylia wrote: »

I don’t understand why we have these consistently similar lame sets that allow procs instead of making unique sets that are class/choice defining.

I so 100% agree! Let's get some class specific sets for the love of god!

Like seriously how cool would specific class sets be?