cloak

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER · January 2018

might aswell remove this skill from the game, as its 100% trash and doesnt work at all. stamblades can cloak kinda ok, but as a magblade you are 100% ****ed.

i spend over 30k magicka trying to cloak just for it got breaked 1 second after. wtf is this? EVERYTHING in this game breaks cloak. please just remove it and give us something better. might aswell play sorc or stamblade, whats the point in playing magblade when your "defensive" ability never works?

makreth · January 2018

the cloak will break if you have a dot on enemies or even if ground aoes are placed and someone steps on it.

Other than that, there is no difference to "stamblades can cloak kinda ok" as they are the same abilities....

Mic1007 · January 2018

If you're going to use Cloak, stop using DoTs in order to actually stealth. The whole point of the ability is to escape combat and hide to prepare for another strike from stealth.

SaintSubwayy · January 2018

I always love to see NB's spamming cloak while my Detection POtion is active

Other Solution would be to stop using DoT's, they can pull you out of cloak aswell.

Edziu · January 2018

lol guys...you know nothing about cloak how it work
since long time your dots never break your cloak, this is really game problem with cloak not working
if have dot on you and cloak is supressing this, you put dont on someone esle you can be in cloak nonstop while dot wil tick to end on enemy without pulling you out of cloak

and this guy qq on cloak is righ, stamblade at all have still chance to survive via roll dodge spam whle magblade is death without this and cloak ofc is nonstop broek and never work in 100% when should which is to annyoing as its main and the only class defence from class skills

ArchMikem · January 2018

Piercing Mark is my bread and butter.

Edziu · January 2018

ArchMikem wrote: »

Piercing Mark is my bread and butter.

and thats why I mailny tbag just nb's, becasue of this betrayal skill which ofc have access only and and is good agaisnt other nb lol, so idiotic why its useless against any other class..

makreth · January 2018

Edziu wrote: »

lol guys...you know nothing about cloak how it work
since long time your dots never break your cloak, this is really game problem with cloak not working
if have dot on you and cloak is supressing this, you put dont on someone esle you can be in cloak nonstop while dot wil tick to end on enemy without pulling you out of cloak

No...any damage You deal while stealthed will break it. Any dot damage you take while stealthed won't break it . If you mean the first can you provide a short demonstration?

A_G_G_R_O · January 2018

I got a whole stack of vitality detect pots just for the pesky cloak fiends

Mustard · January 2018

They just need to add a 1 second immunity to AoE’s after you hit cloak and it will be fixed. @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Wrobel @ZOS_RichLambert

Edziu · January 2018

makreth wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

lol guys...you know nothing about cloak how it work
since long time your dots never break your cloak, this is really game problem with cloak not working
if have dot on you and cloak is supressing this, you put dont on someone esle you can be in cloak nonstop while dot wil tick to end on enemy without pulling you out of cloak

No...any damage You deal while stealthed will break it. Any dot damage you take while stealthed won't break it . If you mean the first can you provide a short demonstration?

no, any direct damage or 1st hit from dot you deal will break you out of stealth, any other dot ticks wont break you from stealh
any damage dealth to you will break cloak and any dots are surpressed by cloak so dots wont break your cloak
thats how cloak work, I suggest you to maybe create nb and look on his cloak how its working normal without lag etc and breaking bugs in maybe pve map or with friend on duel to test it

Aisle9 · January 2018

Edziu wrote: »

makreth wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

lol guys...you know nothing about cloak how it work
since long time your dots never break your cloak, this is really game problem with cloak not working
if have dot on you and cloak is supressing this, you put dont on someone esle you can be in cloak nonstop while dot wil tick to end on enemy without pulling you out of cloak

No...any damage You deal while stealthed will break it. Any dot damage you take while stealthed won't break it . If you mean the first can you provide a short demonstration?

no, any direct damage or 1st hit from dot you deal will break you out of stealth, any other dot ticks wont break you from stealh
any damage dealth to you will break cloak and any dots are surpressed by cloak so dots wont break your cloak
thats how cloak work, I suggest you to maybe create nb and look on his cloak how its working normal without lag etc and breaking bugs in maybe pve map or with friend on duel to test it

Can confirm

Considering Cripple is your main sustained damage, as Concealed Weapon is kinda rubbish (I wish it was as awesome as Surprise Attack), if that broke cloak it would be a bit counterintuitive.

Also, how do you not use dots "if you want to cloak" ? If the dot is already running you have no way of canceling, and not using cripple is not really an option for a magblade.

Edziu · January 2018

Aisle9 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

makreth wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

lol guys...you know nothing about cloak how it work
since long time your dots never break your cloak, this is really game problem with cloak not working
if have dot on you and cloak is supressing this, you put dont on someone esle you can be in cloak nonstop while dot wil tick to end on enemy without pulling you out of cloak

No...any damage You deal while stealthed will break it. Any dot damage you take while stealthed won't break it . If you mean the first can you provide a short demonstration?

no, any direct damage or 1st hit from dot you deal will break you out of stealth, any other dot ticks wont break you from stealh
any damage dealth to you will break cloak and any dots are surpressed by cloak so dots wont break your cloak
thats how cloak work, I suggest you to maybe create nb and look on his cloak how its working normal without lag etc and breaking bugs in maybe pve map or with friend on duel to test it

Can confirm

Considering Cripple is your main sustained damage, as Concealed Weapon is kinda rubbish (I wish it was as awesome as Surprise Attack), if that broke cloak it would be a bit counterintuitive.

Also, how do you not use dots "if you want to cloak" ? If the dot is already running you have no way of canceling, and not using cripple is not really an option for a magblade.

dot on you > cloak surpressing it so it wont break cloak
direct damage or aoe to you > break cloak, cloak dont def from direct damage or aoe

you deal any damage to taret > break you from cloak if hit will land on target
applied dot ongoing on your target > dont break you cloak because it was applied before nad its just ongoing on your target while you dont deal any oth damage
so why the hell single dot which is ongoing should break you from cloak as you want just hide and dont deal any more damage because reasons while this dot was applied and you cant cancel it
this will be to stupid as you will be unable to use any dots nb because then cloak wll be useless with your logic and what will be the point to use dot damage by nb or cloak if this nb is using dot skills?

Aisle9 · January 2018

Edziu wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

makreth wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

lol guys...you know nothing about cloak how it work
since long time your dots never break your cloak, this is really game problem with cloak not working
if have dot on you and cloak is supressing this, you put dont on someone esle you can be in cloak nonstop while dot wil tick to end on enemy without pulling you out of cloak

No...any damage You deal while stealthed will break it. Any dot damage you take while stealthed won't break it . If you mean the first can you provide a short demonstration?

no, any direct damage or 1st hit from dot you deal will break you out of stealth, any other dot ticks wont break you from stealh
any damage dealth to you will break cloak and any dots are surpressed by cloak so dots wont break your cloak
thats how cloak work, I suggest you to maybe create nb and look on his cloak how its working normal without lag etc and breaking bugs in maybe pve map or with friend on duel to test it

Can confirm

Considering Cripple is your main sustained damage, as Concealed Weapon is kinda rubbish (I wish it was as awesome as Surprise Attack), if that broke cloak it would be a bit counterintuitive.

Also, how do you not use dots "if you want to cloak" ? If the dot is already running you have no way of canceling, and not using cripple is not really an option for a magblade.

you cant understand I see...
dot on you > cloak surpressing it so it wont break cloak
direct damage or aoe to you > break cloak, cloak dont def from direct damage or aoe

you deal any damage to taret > break you from cloak if hit will land on target
applied dot ongoing on your target > dont break you cloak because it was applied before nad its just ongoing on your target while you dont deal any oth damage
so why the hell single dot which is ongoing should break you from cloak as you want just hide and dont deal any more damage because reasons while this dot was applied and you cant cancel it
this will be to stupid as you will be unable to use any dots nb because then cloak wll be useless with your logic and what will be the point to use dot damage by nb or cloak if this nb is using dot skills?

We are in agreement, I'm agreeing with you.

"Can confirm" = "As a fellow magicka nightblade, I can confirm what this guy I quoted just said"

We just said the same thing

Malnutrition · January 2018

Just LOL at not getting that you were both in agreement.

Aisle9 · January 2018

In fairness, if you get quoted in a thread like this, you kinda assume your point is getting challenged, so... it happens

makreth · January 2018

Edziu wrote: »

makreth wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

lol guys...you know nothing about cloak how it work
since long time your dots never break your cloak, this is really game problem with cloak not working
if have dot on you and cloak is supressing this, you put dont on someone esle you can be in cloak nonstop while dot wil tick to end on enemy without pulling you out of cloak

No...any damage You deal while stealthed will break it. Any dot damage you take while stealthed won't break it . If you mean the first can you provide a short demonstration?

no, any direct damage or 1st hit from dot you deal will break you out of stealth, any other dot ticks wont break you from stealh
any damage dealth to you will break cloak and any dots are surpressed by cloak so dots wont break your cloak
thats how cloak work, I suggest you to maybe create nb and look on his cloak how its working normal without lag etc and breaking bugs in maybe pve map or with friend on duel to test it

Thanks!!! I just tested it out and it is as you said. On PVP the dot ticks (except for the initial of course) won't break cloak. PvE is a totally different case however.

paallterrain148 · January 2018

On that note, it's cool that reflective light from a magplar targets you in cloak....

Edziu · January 2018

Aisle9 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

makreth wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

lol guys...you know nothing about cloak how it work
since long time your dots never break your cloak, this is really game problem with cloak not working
if have dot on you and cloak is supressing this, you put dont on someone esle you can be in cloak nonstop while dot wil tick to end on enemy without pulling you out of cloak

No...any damage You deal while stealthed will break it. Any dot damage you take while stealthed won't break it . If you mean the first can you provide a short demonstration?

no, any direct damage or 1st hit from dot you deal will break you out of stealth, any other dot ticks wont break you from stealh
any damage dealth to you will break cloak and any dots are surpressed by cloak so dots wont break your cloak
thats how cloak work, I suggest you to maybe create nb and look on his cloak how its working normal without lag etc and breaking bugs in maybe pve map or with friend on duel to test it

Can confirm

Considering Cripple is your main sustained damage, as Concealed Weapon is kinda rubbish (I wish it was as awesome as Surprise Attack), if that broke cloak it would be a bit counterintuitive.

Also, how do you not use dots "if you want to cloak" ? If the dot is already running you have no way of canceling, and not using cripple is not really an option for a magblade.

you cant understand I see...
dot on you > cloak surpressing it so it wont break cloak
direct damage or aoe to you > break cloak, cloak dont def from direct damage or aoe

you deal any damage to taret > break you from cloak if hit will land on target
applied dot ongoing on your target > dont break you cloak because it was applied before nad its just ongoing on your target while you dont deal any oth damage
so why the hell single dot which is ongoing should break you from cloak as you want just hide and dont deal any more damage because reasons while this dot was applied and you cant cancel it
this will be to stupid as you will be unable to use any dots nb because then cloak wll be useless with your logic and what will be the point to use dot damage by nb or cloak if this nb is using dot skills?

We are in agreement, I'm agreeing with you.

"Can confirm" = "As a fellow magicka nightblade, I can confirm what this guy I quoted just said"

We just said the same thing

whoops ok sorry, sometimes I just have problem to get everything while have something also to do and while I doing something other which I shouldnt (like reading and writing on forums at this moment xD) take agree for my mistake

Aisle9 · January 2018

Edziu wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

makreth wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

lol guys...you know nothing about cloak how it work
since long time your dots never break your cloak, this is really game problem with cloak not working
if have dot on you and cloak is supressing this, you put dont on someone esle you can be in cloak nonstop while dot wil tick to end on enemy without pulling you out of cloak

No...any damage You deal while stealthed will break it. Any dot damage you take while stealthed won't break it . If you mean the first can you provide a short demonstration?

no, any direct damage or 1st hit from dot you deal will break you out of stealth, any other dot ticks wont break you from stealh
any damage dealth to you will break cloak and any dots are surpressed by cloak so dots wont break your cloak
thats how cloak work, I suggest you to maybe create nb and look on his cloak how its working normal without lag etc and breaking bugs in maybe pve map or with friend on duel to test it

Can confirm

Considering Cripple is your main sustained damage, as Concealed Weapon is kinda rubbish (I wish it was as awesome as Surprise Attack), if that broke cloak it would be a bit counterintuitive.

Also, how do you not use dots "if you want to cloak" ? If the dot is already running you have no way of canceling, and not using cripple is not really an option for a magblade.

you cant understand I see...
dot on you > cloak surpressing it so it wont break cloak
direct damage or aoe to you > break cloak, cloak dont def from direct damage or aoe

you deal any damage to taret > break you from cloak if hit will land on target
applied dot ongoing on your target > dont break you cloak because it was applied before nad its just ongoing on your target while you dont deal any oth damage
so why the hell single dot which is ongoing should break you from cloak as you want just hide and dont deal any more damage because reasons while this dot was applied and you cant cancel it
this will be to stupid as you will be unable to use any dots nb because then cloak wll be useless with your logic and what will be the point to use dot damage by nb or cloak if this nb is using dot skills?

We are in agreement, I'm agreeing with you.

"Can confirm" = "As a fellow magicka nightblade, I can confirm what this guy I quoted just said"

We just said the same thing

whoops ok sorry, sometimes I just have problem to get everything while have something also to do and while I doing something other which I shouldnt (like reading and writing on forums at this moment xD) take agree for my mistake

Fair enough, np

lao · January 2018

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »

might aswell remove this skill from the game, as its 100% trash and doesnt work at all. stamblades can cloak kinda ok, but as a magblade you are 100% ****ed.

i spend over 30k magicka trying to cloak just for it got breaked 1 second after. wtf is this? EVERYTHING in this game breaks cloak. please just remove it and give us something better. might aswell play sorc or stamblade, whats the point in playing magblade when your "defensive" ability never works?

uhm

you do comprehend that its the exactl same skill no matter if its a stam blade or mage blade using it yea?

that beeing said it is kinda buggy. they should just change dark cloak to the old version that cleansed all dots again. maybe it was abit OP but as a stam blade you´re 100% forced to be a vamp and as a mge blade you really should be a vamp and the only class that really suffered from the dot removal was DK which is all fire dmg anyway so *** them its balanced.

QuebraRegra · January 2018

makreth wrote: »

the cloak will break if you have a dot on enemies or even if ground aoes are placed and someone steps on it.

Other than that, there is no difference to "stamblades can cloak kinda ok" as they are the same abilities....

remember ZOS was going to fix cloak in 2015... yeah, what year is it? It's a joke everytime it comes up in the patchnotes. #wrobeld

Voxicity · January 2018

As a stamblade I find using shuffle before cloak allows me to enter it more easily. If you are playing a melee magblade you can run forward momentum for snare imunity which should let you get into cloak easier. Obviously this requires running 2h which isn't the most effective playatyle for the class, unless you're really experienced with melee magblade.

Still, cloak is always gonna be broken to some degree

Publius_Scipio · January 2018

Yeah, unfortunately cloak can be very wonky as far as actually working and giving you those three seconds of ninja vanish. It's almost to the point where ZOS should decide giving NB's a cloak that works 100% of the time, or create an entirely new skill and essentially remove cloak from the game.

That being said, there are a handful of NB's in PvP that seem to use cloak flawlessly without it breaking. Not exactly positive on what their tactics are for that.

NyassaV · January 2018

Most of the time Cloak works... There are times where someone's ST spammable bring me out of it and I'm just like WTF. But they need to fix shades. Until they fixes shades they should just give us steak without the stun or damage

misfitmanic · January 2018

makreth wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

lol guys...you know nothing about cloak how it work
since long time your dots never break your cloak, this is really game problem with cloak not working
if have dot on you and cloak is supressing this, you put dont on someone esle you can be in cloak nonstop while dot wil tick to end on enemy without pulling you out of cloak

No...any damage You deal while stealthed will break it. Any dot damage you take while stealthed won't break it . If you mean the first can you provide a short demonstration?

Been playing NB since day 1. It used to work the opposite way. I could cast a DOT on enemy and stealth up, but if a dot was on my, my cloak would break each time the dot ticked. Used to run cleanse for this exact reason.

Over the past year really, each major patch has subtly changed cloak. The current result is that if I have a DOT on me or if I cast a DOT on an enemy, cloak becomes useless. As a magblade, DOTs like Degeneration and Debilitate are bread and butter but make my cloak unusable.

Ultimately, I just wish for some clarity from the devs. Every patch they claim to "fix" cloak but after all the subtle changes, it is worse than ever before. Please devs, document exactly how cloak should and should not behave under different scenarios then ensure the skill actually behaves in such a way. I will adapt accordingly.

QuebraRegra · January 2018

misfitmanic wrote: »

makreth wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

lol guys...you know nothing about cloak how it work
since long time your dots never break your cloak, this is really game problem with cloak not working
if have dot on you and cloak is supressing this, you put dont on someone esle you can be in cloak nonstop while dot wil tick to end on enemy without pulling you out of cloak

No...any damage You deal while stealthed will break it. Any dot damage you take while stealthed won't break it . If you mean the first can you provide a short demonstration?

Been playing NB since day 1. It used to work the opposite way. I could cast a DOT on enemy and stealth up, but if a dot was on my, my cloak would break each time the dot ticked. Used to run cleanse for this exact reason.

Over the past year really, each major patch has subtly changed cloak. The current result is that if I have a DOT on me or if I cast a DOT on an enemy, cloak becomes useless. As a magblade, DOTs like Degeneration and Debilitate are bread and butter but make my cloak unusable.

Ultimately, I just wish for some clarity from the devs. Every patch they claim to "fix" cloak but after all the subtle changes, it is worse than ever before. Please devs, document exactly how cloak should and should not behave under different scenarios then ensure the skill actually behaves in such a way. I will adapt accordingly.

really well said. Unfortunately ZOS lead combat designer plays a SORC, and could care less about cloak :P