So converting weapon damage to stamina, I need a combined score of 75k. So with 24k stam, I need roughly 4850 weapon damage to be competitive?

Not withstanding sustain and coefficients in different skills, but the above should generally be true correct?

ManDraKE wrote: »

10.5 stam = 1 wpn damage

Weapon damage scales better than max stamina.

The above math uses that conversion ratio

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

It's not really 10.5:1 for most builds anymore. With the heavy attack meta since Morrowind it's usually closer to 13:1, and is dependent on gear and rotation. Really only pet sorcs see close to 10.5:1 these days.

Yeah but you're making that a value to dps since weapons use weapon/spell damage at a 40:1 rate. I'm looking at it on skill calculation which is why I'm using 10.5

True ^

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

True, most individual skills are 10.5:1, I thought your were trying to compare for DPS. Just thought I'd mention it to make sure everyone knows that sets like Draugr Hulk and Destruction Mastery are trash compared to Hundings and Julianos.

Destruction mastery is pretty close to Julinanos, like a 1-2% difference. Hardly trash. See here, https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/359916/mundus-trait-and-cp-optimisation-for-pve-damage-dealers/p1, not sure how much of the game has changed but I believe the numbers have hardly changes.

@Lightspeedflashb14_ESO No it is not close, that is my point. That thread uses the ratio of 10.5:1 for simplicity, as do most comparison threads, but that entirely neglects the contribution of light and heavy attacks in a rotation.

Using my non-pet sorc build as an example (with 2 heavy attacks and 6 light attacks every 12s), 1 spell damage is equivalent to 13.2 max magicka, not 10.5. So the 2400 Max Magicka from the 5 piece Destruction Mastery is equivalent to only 182 Spell Damage, compared to 300 from Julianos.

I'll agree that the 118 spell damage lost is not much more than 2% DPS loss, but by that logic we could all run 4/5 pieces of any set and only see a 5-6% DPS loss. The difference is a significant portion of the set's contribution to DPS, even if a small % of overall DPS.

Now there are more factors in play here, since spell damage almost always gets a 1.25 multiplier (Major and Minor Sorcery, there is also a sorc passive but it is bugged), while max magicka could have various mulipliers (6% undaunted, 10% race, 7% inner light, 8% bound aegis, 10% warhorn, 2% from additional mages guild skills). So max magicka could get up to 1.43 multiplier for sorc, warden and nightblade. DK's and Templars can really only get to 1.35 reasonably, and this is assuming 100% warhorn uptime.

Stamina sees a larger shift toward weapon damage, since they do not get as many max stam multipliers as magicka builds, and they get more weapon damage multipliers (dawnbreaker 8% and medium armor 12%).