Will this game ever have pvp?

DanielWinterborn · January 2018

1. Really, Lagodiil we all know how that goes and at peak hours 3 seconds skill lag is the best scenario, can go worse than that. Not to mention that 75% of the time you run between point A and point B to only get squashed by the zerg ball. So Lagodiil is out of the question. (200 Mb/s connection)

2. Duels : Worth nothing, hard to find someone to fight with and as I said there are no rewards, nada.

3. Battlegrounds (Stupigrounds more like it) : Have fun fighting premade dungeon groups, tank healer and 2 DPS, so that sucks the fun out of that. It's the only place you can actually PvP and get something in return without Lag but they crapped all over it with premade stuff, so again it's almost worth 0.

I always play games on the solo side more often than group side because I have enough friends in real life, also I don't want to depend if Keith is taking a crap or not to fight someone. These Zos guys are like total newbs is you ask me, where is the FFA? (Free For All) I want to go into a fight with 9 other players and kill each other all day without having to worry that guy X has a dungeon group and if I want a flag I have to kill them all because I can't. (No, I'm not the invincible stam DK or over powered stam build DPS tank healer, I'm a mage.)

So how about we finally get some decent ass PvP in here?! FFA deathmatch, no premades in battlegrounds, ability to chose your game mode, limit classes, ban premade (1 tank each team, 1 healer each team, 2x DPS all random and not premade. That way you won't have to fight 4 sit on flag DK's with perma block. What if 7 healers randomly join the battleground? LOL)

It seems to me like ZOS is forcing you to make your friends buy this thing in order to be able to do something. Except creep farming, dungeons and bosses, there's little to do as a solo player. I want to be able to do both, pvp solo, farm solo and in team. You want to go with your buddies to fight someone? Cool, try Lagodiil! You want to go at it alone? Try Battlegrounds. You want monster sets team up then. But so far there are no options for those that prefer going at it alone and those people are more in numbers than the ones with the groups. (talking strictly about PvP)

Sorry, but PvP is the worst here just because of this. You nailed it on skills and class builds (even though we all know how OP some are) but when it comes to actually having something to do for a solo player Zos failed completely.

My two cents. Bring on the rage and the l2p comments.

Yolokin_Swagonborn · January 2018

DanielWinterborn wrote: »

3. Battlegrounds (Stupigrounds more like it)

Here is a list of burn centers in the US if anyone needs it.

DanielWinterborn · January 2018

Good to see my $ is at work, thank's for moving my thread to where it dies and nobody sees it. Hail Zosler!

Rohamad_Ali · January 2018

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

DanielWinterborn wrote: »

3. Battlegrounds (Stupigrounds more like it)

Here is a list of burn centers in the US if anyone needs it.

This is why we need the LOL button returned .

Ragnarock41 · January 2018

Can't really take you seriously when you play a mag warden and call sDk broken op.

I would understand in one tamriel, but at CWC, you are a bit ridicilous.

DanielWinterborn · January 2018

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Can't really take you seriously when you play a mag warden and call sDk broken op.

I would understand in one tamriel, but at CWC, you are a bit ridicilous.

Do you even know what game this is? Ever tried it?

I really don't need you to take me serious, you're partial to your build so do me a favor and move on, like all the time. Thanks, bye bye.

Ragnarock41 · January 2018

DanielWinterborn wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Can't really take you seriously when you play a mag warden and call sDk broken op.

I would understand in one tamriel, but at CWC, you are a bit ridicilous.

Do you even know what game this is? Ever tried it?

I really don't need you to take me serious, you're partial to your build so do me a favor and move on, like all the time. Thanks, bye bye.

playing it since the beta. I even got the dumb beta monkey pet in case you want any proof.
sDK isnt even remotely close to broken. Its a class that is annoyingly hard to kill(actually not even that, since befoul exists and is meta now which guts more than half of my healing), just like warden.
Except Dk doesnt have undodgeable, unblockable burst tools like warden does.

you reflect the '' I cannot kill this therefore nerf it'' part of the community, which ruined this game for me and many other people.

So no, I see it as a duty to stand against ignorance wherever I see it.

Dreth · January 2018

I solo regularly and do pretty well. Went like 50/3 last night with 12 KB on a magDK.

If you lag too hard in Vivec, go to Shor. Nice and smooth there. Getting an attitude on the forums surely wont get anything done though.

DanielWinterborn · January 2018

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

DanielWinterborn wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Can't really take you seriously when you play a mag warden and call sDk broken op.

I would understand in one tamriel, but at CWC, you are a bit ridicilous.

Do you even know what game this is? Ever tried it?

I really don't need you to take me serious, you're partial to your build so do me a favor and move on, like all the time. Thanks, bye bye.

playing it since the beta. I even got the dumb beta monkey pet in case you want any proof.
sDK isnt even remotely close to broken. Its a class that is annoyingly hard to kill, just like warden.
Except Dk doesnt have undodgeable, unblockable burst tools like warden does.

you reflect the '' I cannot kill this therefore nerf it'' part of the community, which ruined this game for me and many other people.

So no, I see it as a duty to stand against ignorance wherever I see it.

So your tank doesn't have burst damage and you're complaining? It's a tank, learn its role.

Speaking of ignorance, everyone knows about the perma block part of things so avoiding that *small* issue proves my point, partial to your build.

Did you ever play a mag warden? Went for DPS? What good are my birds if they land for 400 damage against vigor and rally that heal as much as a resto staff? What about the tons of disable the DK's have? Forget that also? Funny how there are no issues with templars, sorcs or NB, even mag wardens but so many people have issues with DK's and stam builds in general.

You're complaining about my deep fissure that I can't even use on a DK since he grounds me in one place, able to take everything I have and more and still come out the victor, funny how things go.

Now let me have it, it's a l2p issue, right?

Koensol · January 2018

DanielWinterborn wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

DanielWinterborn wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Can't really take you seriously when you play a mag warden and call sDk broken op.

I would understand in one tamriel, but at CWC, you are a bit ridicilous.

Do you even know what game this is? Ever tried it?

I really don't need you to take me serious, you're partial to your build so do me a favor and move on, like all the time. Thanks, bye bye.

playing it since the beta. I even got the dumb beta monkey pet in case you want any proof.
sDK isnt even remotely close to broken. Its a class that is annoyingly hard to kill, just like warden.
Except Dk doesnt have undodgeable, unblockable burst tools like warden does.

you reflect the '' I cannot kill this therefore nerf it'' part of the community, which ruined this game for me and many other people.

So no, I see it as a duty to stand against ignorance wherever I see it.

So your tank doesn't have burst damage and you're complaining? It's a tank, learn its role.

Speaking of ignorance, everyone knows about the perma block part of things so avoiding that *small* issue proves my point, partial to your build.

Did you ever play a mag warden? Went for DPS? What good are my birds if they land for 400 damage against vigor and rally that heal as much as a resto staff? What about the tons of disable the DK's have? Forget that also? Funny how there are no issues with templars, sorcs or NB, even mag wardens but so many people have issues with DK's and stam builds in general.

You're complaining about my deep fissure that I can't even use on a DK since he grounds me in one place, able to take everything I have and more and still come out the victor, funny how things go.

Now let me have it, it's a l2p issue, right?

400 damage from birds? Please tell me you are kidding? The majority of birds in pvp hit for at least 4-5k. Some builds can even get consistent 8k birds. Trying to prove a point by spewing false claims isn't the way to go. But it is moreso the stamwardens that are out of control at the moment. The amount of effort required to play the class well is totally out of balance with how strong they can be, even in the hands of mediocre players. ZOS basically keeps making this game easier for the people that don't want to spend a lot of time to improve playing their class. Warden is the prime example of that. It is cheese incarnate. It makes mediocre players good, and good players godly.

I agree with you though that pvp needs a lot of work and I feel ZOS has given priorities to a lot of other stuff. The nasty trend that has emerged is that more and more tools are being taken away from players to combat larger groups. Zergs have become increasingly more powerful over time. This game basically rewards the zerging faction by giving them bonusses. They really need to give more incentives to the outnumbered factions. As of now in PC EU, you have 2 choices:
1= Get zerged down in sotha sil by the red blob.
2= Get lagged out in vivec and enjoy 3+ second delays on skill use.

Ragnarock41 · January 2018

DanielWinterborn wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

DanielWinterborn wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Can't really take you seriously when you play a mag warden and call sDk broken op.

I would understand in one tamriel, but at CWC, you are a bit ridicilous.

Do you even know what game this is? Ever tried it?

I really don't need you to take me serious, you're partial to your build so do me a favor and move on, like all the time. Thanks, bye bye.

playing it since the beta. I even got the dumb beta monkey pet in case you want any proof.
sDK isnt even remotely close to broken. Its a class that is annoyingly hard to kill, just like warden.
Except Dk doesnt have undodgeable, unblockable burst tools like warden does.

you reflect the '' I cannot kill this therefore nerf it'' part of the community, which ruined this game for me and many other people.

So no, I see it as a duty to stand against ignorance wherever I see it.

So your tank doesn't have burst damage and you're complaining? It's a tank, learn its role.

Speaking of ignorance, everyone knows about the perma block part of things so avoiding that *small* issue proves my point, partial to your build.

Did you ever play a mag warden? Went for DPS? What good are my birds if they land for 400 damage against vigor and rally that heal as much as a resto staff? What about the tons of disable the DK's have? Forget that also? Funny how there are no issues with templars, sorcs or NB, even mag wardens but so many people have issues with DK's and stam builds in general.

You're complaining about my deep fissure that I can't even use on a DK since he grounds me in one place, able to take everything I have and more and still come out the victor, funny how things go.

Now let me have it, it's a l2p issue, right?

Yep, you guessed it, a clear L2P issue.

on my stamden I just laugh at Dks and ignore they even exist.

When I have to really hurt a Dk I just pop corrupting polens and sub assault, which crits them for a good 5-7k and also cripples their healing, they can't CC me, can't snare me, can't burst me down. Nothing they can do about it really.

The only one thing I lack on warden is unblockable CC(Which again, magwarden does have this with deep fissure), isnt really a problem in open world, my warden is fast, really fast.
No way Im getting locked down by a Dk.

Xvorg · January 2018

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Can't really take you seriously when you play a mag warden and call sDk broken op.

I would understand in one tamriel, but at CWC, you are a bit ridicilous.

WUT!

xD

Ragnarock41 · January 2018

Xvorg wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Can't really take you seriously when you play a mag warden and call sDk broken op.

I would understand in one tamriel, but at CWC, you are a bit ridicilous.

WUT!

xD

He seriously believes sDk is op. Im not kidding.

Xvorg · January 2018

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Can't really take you seriously when you play a mag warden and call sDk broken op.

I would understand in one tamriel, but at CWC, you are a bit ridicilous.

WUT!

xD

He seriously believes sDk is op. Im not kidding.

Maybe he watches too much of Kodi's stream...

VaranisArano · January 2018

Will this game ever have PVP?

It already does.

The question is actually "Will this game ever have PVP that the OP can have fun with that's up to the OP's standards?"

To which the answer is apparently no.

Okay. Whatever. I'm going to have fun in Cyrodiil (PC/NA Vivec) tonight with my organized raid.

Beardimus · January 2018

Of this thread is about removing CP from Battlegrounds I'm ALLLL for it. But don't really know what the thread is about now.

RighteousBacon · January 2018

DanielWinterborn wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

DanielWinterborn wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Can't really take you seriously when you play a mag warden and call sDk broken op.

I would understand in one tamriel, but at CWC, you are a bit ridicilous.

Do you even know what game this is? Ever tried it?

I really don't need you to take me serious, you're partial to your build so do me a favor and move on, like all the time. Thanks, bye bye.

playing it since the beta. I even got the dumb beta monkey pet in case you want any proof.
sDK isnt even remotely close to broken. Its a class that is annoyingly hard to kill, just like warden.
Except Dk doesnt have undodgeable, unblockable burst tools like warden does.

you reflect the '' I cannot kill this therefore nerf it'' part of the community, which ruined this game for me and many other people.

So no, I see it as a duty to stand against ignorance wherever I see it.

So your tank doesn't have burst damage and you're complaining? It's a tank, learn its role.

Speaking of ignorance, everyone knows about the perma block part of things so avoiding that *small* issue proves my point, partial to your build.

Did you ever play a mag warden? Went for DPS? What good are my birds if they land for 400 damage against vigor and rally that heal as much as a resto staff? What about the tons of disable the DK's have? Forget that also? Funny how there are no issues with templars, sorcs or NB, even mag wardens but so many people have issues with DK's and stam builds in general.

You're complaining about my deep fissure that I can't even use on a DK since he grounds me in one place, able to take everything I have and more and still come out the victor, funny how things go.

Now let me have it, it's a l2p issue, right?

Idk what stam dk you’re fighting pvp but Ever since both dark talon morphs became magicka based I haven’t seen a single stam dk use it. I assume that’s what you mean by “ground me.” Otherwise, if you’re talking about dizzying swing we have a real problem since every class has access to it

Ragnarock41 · January 2018

Xvorg wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Can't really take you seriously when you play a mag warden and call sDk broken op.

I would understand in one tamriel, but at CWC, you are a bit ridicilous.

WUT!

xD

He seriously believes sDk is op. Im not kidding.

Maybe he watches too much of Kodi's stream...

I'm actually watching kodi every once in a while. He is really a good player, and not everyone can just copy his builds and be successful.
(remember fury+ww hide anyone?, most DKs couldn't sustain with that)
But he does not play sDk anymore. The class is officially dead as a DPS toon.
You can always turtle up and burst some bad players, but thats not so fun to watch on a stream, or not even fun to play in my case. I just refuse to play sDK in its current state, and so does kodi.

lao · January 2018

Dreth wrote: »

I solo regularly and do pretty well. Went like 50/3 last night with 12 KB on a magDK.

If you lag too hard in Vivec, go to Shor. Nice and smooth there. Getting an attitude on the forums surely wont get anything done though.

50-3. 12 KB´s -> claims to be a solo player. /facepalm

the irony is that this is a common interpretation of the term "solo player" in this potato community.

meanwhile in the real world.... running ungrouped with the zergling squads doesnt make you a solo player. playing solo does.

kaithuzar · January 2018

While it's true there is still some lag during prime time hours, my suggestions would be l:
1) try playing during off hours if possible, good players try to play as often as possible which means 24/7 which means they only experience lag for maybe 3 hours then the rest is no problem.

2) try a different campaign, even the prime time streamers go somewhere else during mega lag, & those are the guys I like to fight anyways because fighting more difficult opponents is how you get better

3) (assuming you're a pc player)
clean the virus/backdoor/malware off your pc & optimize it & the game for performance
Myself & others have posted many times over the years regarding performance tweaks players can do to improve their pc's & games

Bam_Bam · January 2018

L2P poor trolly dolly

Brutusmax1mus · January 2018

DanielWinterborn wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

DanielWinterborn wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Can't really take you seriously when you play a mag warden and call sDk broken op.

I would understand in one tamriel, but at CWC, you are a bit ridicilous.

Do you even know what game this is? Ever tried it?

I really don't need you to take me serious, you're partial to your build so do me a favor and move on, like all the time. Thanks, bye bye.

playing it since the beta. I even got the dumb beta monkey pet in case you want any proof.
sDK isnt even remotely close to broken. Its a class that is annoyingly hard to kill, just like warden.
Except Dk doesnt have undodgeable, unblockable burst tools like warden does.

you reflect the '' I cannot kill this therefore nerf it'' part of the community, which ruined this game for me and many other people.

So no, I see it as a duty to stand against ignorance wherever I see it.

So your tank doesn't have burst damage and you're complaining? It's a tank, learn its role.

Speaking of ignorance, everyone knows about the perma block part of things so avoiding that *small* issue proves my point, partial to your build.

Did you ever play a mag warden? Went for DPS? What good are my birds if they land for 400 damage against vigor and rally that heal as much as a resto staff? What about the tons of disable the DK's have? Forget that also? Funny how there are no issues with templars, sorcs or NB, even mag wardens but so many people have issues with DK's and stam builds in general.

You're complaining about my deep fissure that I can't even use on a DK since he grounds me in one place, able to take everything I have and more and still come out the victor, funny how things go.

Now let me have it, it's a l2p issue, right?

Yea it's a l2p issue. You start your thread with getting wrecked by zergs trying to travel around. That's you literally not learning from mistakes. That's bad.

Then you complain about a group protecting a flag, and instead of organizing with your team, you just give up. Bad.

You say the word mage, so i guess you mean squishy glass cannon that idea ranged magicka skills. Zergling need to l2p.

deepseamk20b14_ESO · January 2018

I hate lag. I think everyone does. As far as BG and premades I can see your frustration. I’d say make your own premade but it seems that’s not an option.

I wouldn’t be opposed to there simply being an option to choose randomized BG or group BG. Organized premades could challenge other premades for and ACTUAL challenge because being in a premade and rolling over everyone is boring. Randoms can, well, ya know, be random. Can’t que if in a group. Maybe that would be a better BG experience for you? I wouldn’t mind it either really. When group isn’t online, go with random, when group is on do group que.

Emma_Overload · January 2018

OP is right about duels, though. There need to be rewards and maybe even leaderboards!

Unfadingsilence · January 2018

The best pvp ZOS has put out is IC but what happened to it?? Well its dead there's nothing down there. Every now and then you see some groups farming bosses but that's it make a few 100k stones and move on I was down there last night on Xbox NA and had over 500k on me farming bosses with not a soul around.....

Marabornwingrion · January 2018

We'll get real PvP when ZOS will find a way how to make more money from it than from Crown Crates.

Brutusmax1mus · January 2018

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

The best pvp ZOS has put out is IC but what happened to it?? Well its dead there's nothing down there. Every now and then you see some groups farming bosses but that's it make a few 100k stones and move on I was down there last night on Xbox NA and had over 500k on me farming bosses with not a soul around.....

What platform and camp?

pdebie64b16_ESO · January 2018

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

The best pvp ZOS has put out is IC but what happened to it?? Well its dead there's nothing down there. Every now and then you see some groups farming bosses but that's it make a few 100k stones and move on I was down there last night on Xbox NA and had over 500k on me farming bosses with not a soul around.....

ZOS tried to copy Darkness Falls from Dark Age of Camelot, a very populair PvP dungeon in that game because the loot was very usefull and the tunnels in that dungeon itself was much larger then in IC.

Datthaw · January 2018

Lol he thinks wardens are hard to play... come hop on a magblade with me buddy. Imo the hardest class to play (probably the best class when mastered though)

Thogard · January 2018

DanielWinterborn wrote: »

1. Really, Lagodiil we all know how that goes and at peak hours 3 seconds skill lag is the best scenario, can go worse than that. Not to mention that 75% of the time you run between point A and point B to only get squashed by the zerg ball. So Lagodiil is out of the question. (200 Mb/s connection)

2. Duels : Worth nothing, hard to find someone to fight with and as I said there are no rewards, nada.

3. Battlegrounds (Stupigrounds more like it) : Have fun fighting premade dungeon groups, tank healer and 2 DPS, so that sucks the fun out of that. It's the only place you can actually PvP and get something in return without Lag but they crapped all over it with premade stuff, so again it's almost worth 0.

I always play games on the solo side more often than group side because I have enough friends in real life, also I don't want to depend if Keith is taking a crap or not to fight someone. These Zos guys are like total newbs is you ask me, where is the FFA? (Free For All) I want to go into a fight with 9 other players and kill each other all day without having to worry that guy X has a dungeon group and if I want a flag I have to kill them all because I can't. (No, I'm not the invincible stam DK or over powered stam build DPS tank healer, I'm a mage.)

So how about we finally get some decent ass PvP in here?! FFA deathmatch, no premades in battlegrounds, ability to chose your game mode, limit classes, ban premade (1 tank each team, 1 healer each team, 2x DPS all random and not premade. That way you won't have to fight 4 sit on flag DK's with perma block. What if 7 healers randomly join the battleground? LOL)

It seems to me like ZOS is forcing you to make your friends buy this thing in order to be able to do something. Except creep farming, dungeons and bosses, there's little to do as a solo player. I want to be able to do both, pvp solo, farm solo and in team. You want to go with your buddies to fight someone? Cool, try Lagodiil! You want to go at it alone? Try Battlegrounds. You want monster sets team up then. But so far there are no options for those that prefer going at it alone and those people are more in numbers than the ones with the groups. (talking strictly about PvP)

Sorry, but PvP is the worst here just because of this. You nailed it on skills and class builds (even though we all know how OP some are) but when it comes to actually having something to do for a solo player Zos failed completely.

My two cents. Bring on the rage and the l2p comments.

>complains about having to make friends (premades) to be competitive in battlegrounds
>plays an MMO in a team v team PvP setting

Geee that’s a real noggin scratcher, ain’t it.