Nerf to dual wield

Somber97866 · January 2018

Why should their be a build that has so many extra benefits over others? They have two weapons ( double the weapon damage as 2h), faster heavy attacks, can wear 2 full sets and monster helm, two traits, two enchantments And smoother animations for faster response And gameplay .And if it wasn't the case then why do I see sooo many dual wield builds out there? And when ppl post dps scores........soooooo much higher ( in almost all cases ).

WrathOfInnos · January 2018

Don't nerf dual wield, just equalize some aspects of other weapons. Take a look at this thread on making 2h weapons count as 2 set pieces, since they take up 2 gear slots: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/388177/should-2h-weapons-count-as-2-items-for-set-bonus/p1

Apache_Kid · January 2018

For me, dual wield is stronger for PvE, while Two-Handed is stronger for PvP. On most builds at least. To me, that's balanced.

Edit: talking stam builds obv.

FakeFox · January 2018

"double the weapon damage as 2h"

How about doing some research before embarrassing yourself? I don't want to comment on the rest, as this topic has been discussed far too often already. DW does not give twice the weapon- or spelldamage as your offhand weapon does by far not give its full value. For twohanders this is even less true as they give higher basedamage then a onehanded weapon.

Shardan4968 · January 2018

When I ask people to give me some advices with dual wield in PvP, everyone just tell me to use 2h, so I guess don't nerf dual wield plz.

Aliyavana · January 2018

Nty

Yolokin_Swagonborn · January 2018

Nerf nerf threads.

Minalan · January 2018

Too bad dual wield Sorc builds took it so hard, it was my favorite.

KingYogi415 · January 2018

No, you are ignoring the actual skills of the weapons.

They are well balanced.

LiquidPony · January 2018

Somber97866 wrote: »

Why should their be a build that has so many extra benefits over others? They have two weapons ( double the weapon damage as 2h), faster heavy attacks, can wear 2 full sets and monster helm, two traits, two enchantments And smoother animations for faster response And gameplay .And if it wasn't the case then why do I see sooo many dual wield builds out there? And when ppl post dps scores........soooooo much higher ( in almost all cases ).

Nerf this guy's ability to post.

Publius_Scipio · January 2018

Yeah, 2H is still what most use for PvP.

AddictionX · January 2018

nerf nerf nerf

eso_lags · January 2018

....dear gahd

Runefang · January 2018

Make both dual wield and 2h equally viable in both pve and pvp.

jssriot · January 2018

Dual Wield is one of the better, more balanced weapon lines, as it requires the player to think meta and tackle rotation and sustain and only when you do the work do you get the return. Except for ones who rely on cheats and macros, any good DW player deserves your respect because they probably put 200% more into getting good than you have.

The best thing about the DW line is that more than any other weapon skill, it encourages players to play the combat as designed rather than spamming a couple of skills and relying on their pets to boost their dps, or on their cheap ultis or on their gear procs. It also insures many stam builds can compete with magicka builds in harder pve content. If it was to get nerfed significantly, it could result in a lot player's end-game stam dps toons not being able to continue doing harder group content--and I already know expert players who quit the game due to past nerfs rendering their stam builds weaker and less competitive. It already is hard enough for stam players to compete with mag players. You jelly about some DWer's dps? Imagine what we're thinking when some pet sorc whines that they could never go with the added 2k or so dps they get for just having a pet that does dps for you and requires virtually no sustain.

The game needs more balance like what DW gives and it needs to allow players choices with builds for end-game or we're end up with vet trials with 7 mag sorcs and no one except mag sorc players want that. So just effing stop.

AngelFires333 · January 2018

Can we just make the nerfs PVP specific so the rest of us solo players can get on with our lives in peace?

Morgul667 · January 2018

Nerf the nerfs threads, enough already, this is useless

Karmanorway · January 2018

Nerf bad pvpers from posting nerf threads

Nolic1 · January 2018

Dual wield is only stronger because you can have to enchants but they both can not proc damage like poison, disease, shock, fire, frost or magic damage cause they share the proc and the same cool downs. So not as good as you make them sound also the main hand only get 6% of the off hand damage that being around 60 weapon to 90 weapon damage based on the trait and only nirn honed gives around 90 extra weapon damage to the main hand. The off hand still does its base weapon damage but you only get better damage when you heavy attack and even with both weapons being swords and nirn its not as much as you thing it will be.

Abilities play off your main hand damage when it come to ability damage not off hand at least that is how it was explained to me.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO · January 2018

I have a better idea. Remove the ability of people complaining to post/make forum threads!

Nolic1 · January 2018

jssriot wrote: »

Dual Wield is one of the better, more balanced weapon lines, as it requires the player to think meta and tackle rotation and sustain and only when you do the work do you get the return. Except for ones who rely on cheats and macros, any good DW player deserves your respect because they probably put 200% more into getting good than you have.

The best thing about the DW line is that more than any other weapon skill, it encourages players to play the combat as designed rather than spamming a couple of skills and relying on their pets to boost their dps, or on their cheap ultis or on their gear procs. It also insures many stam builds can compete with magicka builds in harder pve content. If it was to get nerfed significantly, it could result in a lot player's end-game stam dps toons not being able to continue doing harder group content--and I already know expert players who quit the game due to past nerfs rendering their stam builds weaker and less competitive. It already is hard enough for stam players to compete with mag players. You jelly about some DWer's dps? Imagine what we're thinking when some pet sorc whines that they could never go with the added 2k or so dps they get for just having a pet that does dps for you and requires virtually no sustain.

The game needs more balance like what DW gives and it needs to allow players choices with builds for end-game or we're end up with vet trials with 7 mag sorcs and no one except mag sorc players want that. So just effing stop.

This is not 100% correct. Dual wield and 2 hander are both meta viable just right now dual wield is meta optimal. As for the rest of your post that is just opinion but I do agree with some of it.

TequilaFire · January 2018

AngelFires333 wrote: »

Can we just make the nerfs PVP specific so the rest of us solo players can get on with our lives in peace?

Except no one other than OP wants it nerfed at all.
And he never mentioned PvP once.

Vapirko · January 2018

I really don’t want to be rude, but please just be quiet. DW does not need a nerf. No weapon lines need a nerf.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO · January 2018

Nolic1 wrote: »

jssriot wrote: »

Dual Wield is one of the better, more balanced weapon lines, as it requires the player to think meta and tackle rotation and sustain and only when you do the work do you get the return. Except for ones who rely on cheats and macros, any good DW player deserves your respect because they probably put 200% more into getting good than you have.

The best thing about the DW line is that more than any other weapon skill, it encourages players to play the combat as designed rather than spamming a couple of skills and relying on their pets to boost their dps, or on their cheap ultis or on their gear procs. It also insures many stam builds can compete with magicka builds in harder pve content. If it was to get nerfed significantly, it could result in a lot player's end-game stam dps toons not being able to continue doing harder group content--and I already know expert players who quit the game due to past nerfs rendering their stam builds weaker and less competitive. It already is hard enough for stam players to compete with mag players. You jelly about some DWer's dps? Imagine what we're thinking when some pet sorc whines that they could never go with the added 2k or so dps they get for just having a pet that does dps for you and requires virtually no sustain.

The game needs more balance like what DW gives and it needs to allow players choices with builds for end-game or we're end up with vet trials with 7 mag sorcs and no one except mag sorc players want that. So just effing stop.

This is not 100% correct. Dual wield and 2 hander are both meta viable just right now dual wield is meta optimal. As for the rest of your post that is just opinion but I do agree with some of it.

the only reason DW is meta over 2H is cuz 2H weapons don't count as 2 set items.
forgot to add that people should learn to play before coming to forums, complain and have zo$ listen to them and break our game.

Maryal · January 2018

Curious ...

Take: 10 highly skilled dual wielders fighting against 10 highly skilled one-handers (i.e., great sward, great axe, etc.)

--> front bar and back bar must be the same weapon type ... with the exception of a bow (either team can use a bow on their back bar)

--> Eliminate the use of cloak ... no one can have that skill on their skill bar

--> No wardens allowed on either team

--> No sorcs allowed on either team

--> No heavy armor allowed on either team (including no heavy armor set jewelry/weapons)

--> No BOL allowed ... no one can have this skill on their bar

Which team would win?

Morgul667 · January 2018

Vapirko wrote: »

I really don’t want to be rude, but please just be quiet. DW does not need a nerf. No weapon lines need a nerf.

You said it better than I could

Runefang · January 2018

Maryal wrote: »

Curious ...

Take: 10 highly skilled dual wielders fighting against 10 highly skilled one-handers (i.e., great sward, great axe, etc.)

--> front bar and back bar must be the same weapon type ... with the exception of a bow (either team can use a bow on their back bar)

--> Eliminate the use of cloak ... no one can have that skill on their skill bar

--> No wardens allowed on either team

--> No sorcs allowed on either team

--> No heavy armor allowed on either team (including no heavy armor set jewelry/weapons)

--> No BOL allowed ... no one can have this skill on their bar

Which team would win?

Forward Momentum will give the 2handers group the victory. Immunity to snares and immobilization is too important in PvP which is why 2H wins there. In PvE the main damage taken by DDs is AoE which is why Deadly Cloak, and therefore dual wield is necessary.

The rest is a mostly a moot point, having higher damage output is worthless if you're dead.

ccfeeling · January 2018

He is funny

zaria · January 2018

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Nerf nerf threads.

This, asking for nerfs should have an cost, say 100 CP.

Ragnarock41 · January 2018

The so healthy pve community...

MehrunesFlagon · January 2018

issue is that 2 hand is best for pvp because it bursty.your dual weild skills on the other hand are dots.