Gap closer exploit

AngryOldMan · January 2018

Its pretty annoying when people gap close trough doors and keep trolling inside keep. Thats not PVP, thats cheating. Please play fair, i dont mind getting ganked or killed in any other ways, thats part off PVP, but i get pretty angry when people exploit. Well angrier than usually, im an angry old man after all

Beardimus · January 2018

No way, is this back? I thought the leaping up walls and through doors thing was patched out. That's annoying

AngryOldMan · January 2018

Seems like Teleport Strike or its morphs still get you trough doors if you attack people with it while they are entering a door

SirAndy · January 2018

Beardimus wrote: »

No way, is this back? I thought the leaping up walls and through doors thing was patched out. That's annoying

It's been with us since beta.

It never got completely fixed although ZOS added some band-aids that make it somewhat harder to do ...

Lucky28 · January 2018

Beardimus wrote: »

No way, is this back? I thought the leaping up walls and through doors thing was patched out. That's annoying

it never went away. personally i don't really care tho so long as it's an actual siege situation and not just an empty keep. i mean so long as it's being sieged there are probably 20+ enemy players in that keep to the 1 player that got in via gap closer, so whatever.

joe.smith21b14_ESO · January 2018

I like to sneak in enemy keeps them run laps around. Probably the most fun. But sneaking in and teleporting are 2 different things. So make sure your not assuming and you actually seen it happen.

geonsocal · January 2018

got kicked from the server recently while trying to travel to one of our alliance outposts that was about to be attacked...

after restarting the app I was loaded in to the outpost - but, it had already been taken over by an enemy faction...

ported me right in to the midst of about a half dozen enemy players...

i'm sure they were all like - wtf...

AngryOldMan · January 2018

Well, im pretty sure as i got killed inside keep after getting trough door (to escape nightblade). Ressed inside and got killed again by the same player again (inside keep). Several others got ganked inside keep, we were multiple players reporting said guy for exploit, but guess what, i still see him online every day. Been 2 weeks since reporting. Thats not the only time i have seen people get trough doors. Creds to 1 guy who got trough and than just ran to the wall and jumped down, he didnt exploit the situation. So yeah, people can get trough door unwillingly because of mechanics, but using that to their advantage is not fair play

WillhelmBlack · January 2018

You can report them. Offer to provide evidence. ZOS don't actually care though.

Koolio · January 2018

You actually got though the door? That you should at least be thankful for lol

Sharee · January 2018

I'm not sure i would classify this as an exploit.

An exploit is something you do on purpose, fully knowing what would happen. But gap closing through a door on purpose is near impossible (as opposed to just gap closing the guy with the intent of closing distance so you can attack).

I would say it is just an unfortunate side effect of the mechanic of some gap closers (ambush and Dk chain, specifically) which causes you to follow the target through a door transition once in a blue moon, if the stars are aligned (and the lag just-so).

AngryOldMan · January 2018

Yeah, you can accidently get trough doors, but taking advantage off that is cheating

Sharee · January 2018

AngryOldMan wrote: »

Yeah, you can accidently get trough doors, but taking advantage off that is cheating

You mean staying inside? Cheating is too strong a word. More like, bad form. You aren't doing anything that couldn't have been done by simply staying inside a keep as it got captured.

VaranisArano · January 2018

geonsocal wrote: »

got kicked from the server recently while trying to travel to one of our alliance outposts that was about to be attacked...

after restarting the app I was loaded in to the outpost - but, it had already been taken over by an enemy faction...

ported me right in to the midst of about a half dozen enemy players...

i'm sure they were all like - wtf...

I've had that happen to me too. Its like "Hi, guys, here, take the free AP from my death because I'm a lone EP in the middle of 20 DC in Bleakers..." - dies horribly.

Publius_Scipio · January 2018

NB ambush through doors was never fixed (if it was it’s been broken again for a long time now). If you properly time it as an enemy player clicks to go through a door, the server will place them inside the walls and you inside as well hitting them with the ambush.

Goshua · January 2018

Finally, was wondering why I couldn't find anyone else bothered with it

Get a FD low enough to make a gap, rest of his team retreats, nb ambush's in then cloaks, spends the rest of day ganking people inside the keep.. fun n games..

AngryOldMan · January 2018

Goshua wrote: »

Finally, was wondering why I couldn't find anyone else bothered with it

Get a FD low enough to make a gap, rest of his team retreats, nb ambush's in then cloaks, spends the rest of day ganking people inside the keep.. fun n games..

No doubt someone is using this exploit on purpose. All bugs that can be used to your advantage is used as long as the bug exist. Only thing that works against exploiters is ban. That will make players think twice before using bugs/exploits. I hope people report it and that reports are being taken serious

Goshua · January 2018

AngryOldMan wrote: »

Goshua wrote: »

Finally, was wondering why I couldn't find anyone else bothered with it

Get a FD low enough to make a gap, rest of his team retreats, nb ambush's in then cloaks, spends the rest of day ganking people inside the keep.. fun n games..

No doubt someone is using this exploit on purpose. All bugs that can be used to your advantage is used as long as the bug exist. Only thing that works against exploiters is ban. That will make players think twice before using bugs/exploits. I hope people report it and that reports are being taken serious

that's a trciky one when it can happen accidentally as well.. but yes, repeated reporting of it being done by the same player should be considered 'exploit like' but really, ZOS should just fix things, properly, permanently.

Toast_STS · January 2018

I disagree. Let's give DK and werewolves abilites to leap over keep walls again so we don't have to ram anymore front doors.

Anazasi · January 2018

a macro'd ambush happens faster than the global cooldown and allows this to take place. It's an ugly world out there and sad to say there are bad people in it.

Vapirko · January 2018

AngryOldMan wrote: »

Well, im pretty sure as i got killed inside keep after getting trough door (to escape nightblade). Ressed inside and got killed again by the same player again (inside keep). Several others got ganked inside keep, we were multiple players reporting said guy for exploit, but guess what, i still see him online every day. Been 2 weeks since reporting. Thats not the only time i have seen people get trough doors. Creds to 1 guy who got trough and than just ran to the wall and jumped down, he didnt exploit the situation. So yeah, people can get trough door unwillingly because of mechanics, but using that to their advantage is not fair play

It happens by accident pretty easily. Especially if you’re trying to gap close someone heading for the door as a NB.

Anrose · January 2018

Counter argument:

Report the player who actually got in the door while in combat. Clearly a CE user.

gepe87 · January 2018

It happens a lot with NB Ambush/Lotus Fan. Don't worry they die to NPC (never encountered any survivor).

Biro123 · January 2018

The definition of exploiting simply means using something to your advantage. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing. In football, if you know your oppositions defence is weak on one side, you can exploit that by pushing that side. Its fair play.
BUT. In games its usually applied to 'using a bug to your advantage', which is usually against the TOS, and is therefore a bad thing. And also probably cheating too.

So if the guy teleports in and instantly runs to the walls and jumps back outside, or runs to enemies to suicide, he is not exploiting the bug.

If, on the other hand, teleports inside, then kills enemy players or hides to take it from the inside when quiet, that IS exploiting.

Simple to define, not so simple to prove.

caeliusstarbreaker · January 2018

I’ve never seen anyone who intentional or not, gap closed through an unfixed situation by game developers, be allowed to peacefully leave a keep unharmed.
Nor have I seen evidence of someone reproducing the effect with any precision other than hey that guy is going in, get to him as fast as I can, gap close, oh hey I’m inside.

I’ve also never seen anyone allow me to recover the missing stam from my double cc break that I had to do, because all the cc spam decided it didnt care about my immunity, or any civility for, the bird/radiant/soul assault that clipped through the wall, the Incap that hit me in a dodgeroll, the Incap that caused me to floppy fish, the javelin that still sent me flying through the air in the break free animation, the 18m dizzying swing, the 2 snipes that lagged in at the same time, the times I’ve dodgerolled with talons staying on me, the doors I couldn’t go through, the times I couldn’t cc break with 14k stam, the fears that I couldn’t see, the times abilities didn’t go off but still took my resources, etc.

It’s a buggy game, but surely you should be able to deal with one ganker inside a keep. And I really don’t think he/she should be reported because the dev team can’t fix something that has been around since the games release or longer. Nor should the player be reported for fighting in the ridiculous situation the game allowed, since they are receiving no quarter.

If you can produce evidence of intentional reoccurring abuse of this otherwise fly-by-night situation, then I would gladly back you for mod incurred punishment, but honestly the quickest way to get it out of the keep is to kill it.

Parrot1986 · January 2018

Whilst I’m sure some have done this as an exploit especially when you could scale walls etc before. I know I’ve done this by attempting to gap close someone before they get through a keep door. That’s using toppling charge from magplar tree. I’ve also seen it happen with nightblades to me. I’ve never seen anyone do it then go on to take the keep though it pretty much results in a quick death and highlights just another broken part of the game

VaranisArano · January 2018

Parrot1986 wrote: »

Whilst I’m sure some have done this as an exploit especially when you could scale walls etc before. I know I’ve done this by attempting to gap close someone before they get through a keep door. That’s using toppling charge from magplar tree. I’ve also seen it happen with nightblades to me. I’ve never seen anyone do it then go on to take the keep though it pretty much results in a quick death and highlights just another broken part of the game

I've never seen anyone take a keep either. However, I have definitely seen that player charge up the stairs and begin killing defenders who weren't expecting to get ganked before the inner walls came down. That person was exploiting a broken game mechanic, whether or not they meant to get inside the keep by ambushing me when they did.

Sharee · January 2018

VaranisArano wrote: »

Parrot1986 wrote: »

Whilst I’m sure some have done this as an exploit especially when you could scale walls etc before. I know I’ve done this by attempting to gap close someone before they get through a keep door. That’s using toppling charge from magplar tree. I’ve also seen it happen with nightblades to me. I’ve never seen anyone do it then go on to take the keep though it pretty much results in a quick death and highlights just another broken part of the game

I've never seen anyone take a keep either. However, I have definitely seen that player charge up the stairs and begin killing defenders who weren't expecting to get ganked before the inner walls came down. That person was exploiting a broken game mechanic, whether or not they meant to get inside the keep by ambushing me when they did.

Killing someone, inside keep or not, before walls are down or not, is not an exploit. Simply because it can be done without gap closing through a door. If the defenders were not expecting to get ganked, that's entirely their fault. Because walls being up does not guarantee that no enemies are inside, even completely legit-like(enemies might have stayed hidden inside while the keep was theirs).

The only thing that could be qualified as an exploit is getting through that closed door, but only if you can prove it was done intentionally, with the intent to exploit, rather than just accidentally, with the intent to simply gap-close a distant enemy.

And good luck proving that.

VaranisArano · January 2018

Sharee wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Parrot1986 wrote: »

Whilst I’m sure some have done this as an exploit especially when you could scale walls etc before. I know I’ve done this by attempting to gap close someone before they get through a keep door. That’s using toppling charge from magplar tree. I’ve also seen it happen with nightblades to me. I’ve never seen anyone do it then go on to take the keep though it pretty much results in a quick death and highlights just another broken part of the game

I've never seen anyone take a keep either. However, I have definitely seen that player charge up the stairs and begin killing defenders who weren't expecting to get ganked before the inner walls came down. That person was exploiting a broken game mechanic, whether or not they meant to get inside the keep by ambushing me when they did.

Killing someone, inside keep or not, before walls are down or not, is not an exploit. Simply because it can be done without gap closing through a door. If the defenders were not expecting to get ganked, that's entirely their fault. Because walls being up does not guarantee that no enemies are inside, even completely legit-like(enemies might have stayed hidden inside while the keep was theirs).

The only thing that could be qualified as an exploit is getting through that closed door, but only if you can prove it was done intentionally, with the intent to exploit, rather than just accidentally, with the intent to simply gap-close a distant enemy.

And good luck proving that.

I'm more of the opinion that if a glitch happens, particularly a well-known glitch and you then promptly take advantage of it, that's exploiting.

It certainly seems to work like that for things like getting multiple skill points on a glitched public dungeon boss or completing a trial by taking advantage of a glitched trial boss.

So if you gap-close into a keep on purpose or by accident and then promptly take advantage of this well-known glitch, I'm not sure how that isn't exploiting. ZOS may or may not take disciplinary action on it, intent being hard to prove, but for me its not why you gap-closed into the keep, its how you act once you get inside (the intended ways to attack defenders inside are to be A. already hidden in the keep, a completely legit way to do this, or B. break down the walls).

Biro123 · January 2018

VaranisArano wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Parrot1986 wrote: »

Whilst I’m sure some have done this as an exploit especially when you could scale walls etc before. I know I’ve done this by attempting to gap close someone before they get through a keep door. That’s using toppling charge from magplar tree. I’ve also seen it happen with nightblades to me. I’ve never seen anyone do it then go on to take the keep though it pretty much results in a quick death and highlights just another broken part of the game

I've never seen anyone take a keep either. However, I have definitely seen that player charge up the stairs and begin killing defenders who weren't expecting to get ganked before the inner walls came down. That person was exploiting a broken game mechanic, whether or not they meant to get inside the keep by ambushing me when they did.

Killing someone, inside keep or not, before walls are down or not, is not an exploit. Simply because it can be done without gap closing through a door. If the defenders were not expecting to get ganked, that's entirely their fault. Because walls being up does not guarantee that no enemies are inside, even completely legit-like(enemies might have stayed hidden inside while the keep was theirs).

The only thing that could be qualified as an exploit is getting through that closed door, but only if you can prove it was done intentionally, with the intent to exploit, rather than just accidentally, with the intent to simply gap-close a distant enemy.

And good luck proving that.

I'm more of the opinion that if a glitch happens, particularly a well-known glitch and you then promptly take advantage of it, that's exploiting.

It certainly seems to work like that for things like getting multiple skill points on a glitched public dungeon boss or completing a trial by taking advantage of a glitched trial boss.

So if you gap-close into a keep on purpose or by accident and then promptly take advantage of this well-known glitch, I'm not sure how that isn't exploiting. ZOS may or may not take disciplinary action on it, intent being hard to prove, but for me its not why you gap-closed into the keep, its how you act once you get inside (the intended ways to attack defenders inside are to be A. already hidden in the keep, a completely legit way to do this, or B. break down the walls).

That's pretty much it.

BTW there are a few people who are known to exploit this by having a friend logging on the opposing faction and using him as a target to gapclose through the door of an empty keep (often takes several goes) right inside the inner.
They then kill the guards flip flags and set up siege on th e inside.. then as soon as it lights up, flip the flags.

A quick keeptake with no opposition and no warning.

So yeah, in most cases it happens accidentally but there is always someone gonna do it intentionally.

Sharee · January 2018

VaranisArano wrote: »

So if you gap-close into a keep on purpose or by accident and then promptly take advantage of this well-known glitch, I'm not sure how that isn't exploiting. ZOS may or may not take disciplinary action on it, intent being hard to prove, but for me its not why you gap-closed into the keep, its how you act once you get inside (the intended ways to attack defenders inside are to be A. already hidden in the keep, a completely legit way to do this, or B. break down the walls).

Well that is where our opinions differ. Once you are inside a keep, it no longer matters how you got there. You act (and are acted upon) exactly the same way as if you got there normally.

Fighting other players once you are already there (as opposed to "getting inside") can not possibly be considered exploiting, because if it was, then we have a weird situation where player A attacking player B is completely legit, but player B fighting back is considered exploiting. I'm sure you see the problem with that.