Can magplar have its stun back and its ult back please -_-

leepalmer95 · August 2017

Sick of my very expensive spears either getting dodge rolled or getting shuffle dodge 2-3 times in a row, it's not run trying to cc someone off me as i'm trying to heal and missing like 4 costing me near 15k magicka.

Give us the shard stun back i literally have no idea why it was taken away in the first place? Like why?

Also change the aedric ult back to magicka? Took magplar only instant magicka ult and changed it to stamina for what? What purpose did it serve? It was a weaker version or dawnbreaker. Sure the initial hit against 1 person was slightly higher but the dot was weaker, you lose the bonus to vamps/ww's, the aoe cc and the 3% wpn dmg? LIterally took magplars ult for no reason. Dawnbreaker is simply better.

Give them a decent aoe cc again (e.g. shards as its goes through roll and is useful in certain situations)

Give them an actual magicka ult that will actually hit because meteor is kind of useless and soul assault isn't really burst and is cheesy as hell.

Then looking at backlash as a whole and reduce the dmg friendly add to its burst to 25-50%? If templars want those stupid 12k~ backlash hits they should have to do most of the damage themselves. Nothing worse then trying to kill a 30k healer with no damage only for him to backlash you and other people hit you a bit and then you take 12k from the healer.

Reward templar who actually deal damage themselves with better ult cc

Reduce the burst dmg on tanky healers who shouldn't be able to do much damage anyway.

itscompton · August 2017

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Sick of my very expensive spears either getting dodge rolled or getting shuffle dodge 2-3 times in a row, it's not run trying to cc someone off me as i'm trying to heal and missing like 4 costing me near 15k magicka.

Give us the shard stun back i literally have no idea why it was taken away in the first place? Like why?

Also change the aedric ult back to magicka? Took magplar only instant magicka ult and changed it to stamina for what? What purpose did it serve? It was a weaker version or dawnbreaker. Sure the initial hit against 1 person was slightly higher but the dot was weaker, you lose the bonus to vamps/ww's, the aoe cc and the 3% wpn dmg? LIterally took magplars ult for no reason. Dawnbreaker is simply better.

Give them a decent aoe cc again (e.g. shards as its goes through roll and is useful in certain situations)

Give them an actual magicka ult that will actually hit because meteor is kind of useless and soul assault isn't really burst and is cheesy as hell.

Then looking at backlash as a whole and reduce the dmg friendly add to its burst to 25-50%? If templars want those stupid 12k~ backlash hits they should have to do most of the damage themselves. Nothing worse then trying to kill a 30k healer with no damage only for him to backlash you and other people hit you a bit and then you take 12k from the healer.

Reward templar who actually deal damage themselves with better ult cc

Reduce the burst dmg on tanky healers who shouldn't be able to do much damage anyway.

Definitely give Templers the stun back on Shards. When it was taken it was promised the broken disorient on the other morph would be fixed to be a viable replacement only to have that completely removed as well when they couldn't make it work correctly. Stripping Templars of their best CC for no other reason than to just f**k up a skill no one had ever complained about.

beekalad · August 2017

Give us our stun back, yes please

DurzoBlint13 · August 2017

itscompton wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Sick of my very expensive spears either getting dodge rolled or getting shuffle dodge 2-3 times in a row, it's not run trying to cc someone off me as i'm trying to heal and missing like 4 costing me near 15k magicka.

Give us the shard stun back i literally have no idea why it was taken away in the first place? Like why?

Also change the aedric ult back to magicka? Took magplar only instant magicka ult and changed it to stamina for what? What purpose did it serve? It was a weaker version or dawnbreaker. Sure the initial hit against 1 person was slightly higher but the dot was weaker, you lose the bonus to vamps/ww's, the aoe cc and the 3% wpn dmg? LIterally took magplars ult for no reason. Dawnbreaker is simply better.

Give them a decent aoe cc again (e.g. shards as its goes through roll and is useful in certain situations)

Give them an actual magicka ult that will actually hit because meteor is kind of useless and soul assault isn't really burst and is cheesy as hell.

Then looking at backlash as a whole and reduce the dmg friendly add to its burst to 25-50%? If templars want those stupid 12k~ backlash hits they should have to do most of the damage themselves. Nothing worse then trying to kill a 30k healer with no damage only for him to backlash you and other people hit you a bit and then you take 12k from the healer.

Reward templar who actually deal damage themselves with better ult cc

Reduce the burst dmg on tanky healers who shouldn't be able to do much damage anyway.

Definitely give Templers the stun back on Shards. When it was taken it was promised the broken disorient on the other morph would be fixed to be a viable replacement only to have that completely removed as well when they couldn't make it work correctly. Stripping Templars of their best CC for no other reason than to just f**k up a skill no one had ever complained about.

+1

Kneighbors · August 2017

Healer, please do your job - heal!

Malmai · August 2017

Dont know why they took away stun its dumb...

Animal_Mother · August 2017

NO!

Please think of the streaking sorc, the evading gankblade, or the 1vx'er. They need Shards to be impotent to play as they like. Returning stun to shards would be too big of an inconvenience for them and add balance to the world.

Troneon · August 2017

They nerfed templar into the ground past year over and over classes and cheese builds stay untouched. What is worse is they failed to address the main complaint about templar, the over healing in pvp. But we lost 2 stuns....also.

Takes-No-Prisoner · August 2017

I run Creasent on my Stamplar, and it's really good for keeping up burst and pressure. Especially if everyone is rolling around.

Give Empowering a stun ulitity, remove the reduce damage portion, keep the DoT and tweak the damage, then that should help MagTemplar a lot in the DPS department. Though many would argue 75 ult cost for a aoe stun on the first hit might seem OP on paper.

However, if the target is out of stamina, it sets up for sweeps combos or lets the Templar gap close into his combos without having to reposition again.

Reverb · August 2017

Wroble saying Templar is like Fonzie saying sorry, not gonna happen.

Pixel_Zealot · August 2017

Well the stun is just useful in pvp. As a pve'er I just run through a public dungeon with pockey sticks and watch mobs drop like flies in seconds. I can understand how the lack of cc on pockey sticks makes pvp unnecessary hard.

Mutagem · August 2017

It was seriously the funnest ability to use in pvp because of the stun. I legit quit playing for like 4 months when they nerfed it. I would like the stun back too please

Joy_Division · August 2017

Templars CCs are so bad I normally don;t use one and ults are so bad that I Dawnbreaker even though it's for stam users.

On the plus side, not wasting a slot on javelin/shards means I can use defensive posture, which pretty much neuters sorcs.

Anne_Firehawk · August 2017

Agree, even though I hate templar with a passion, you guys need your stun and specially your ultimate back.

Electrone_Magnus · August 2017

Major mending too please

UppGRAYxDD · August 2017

I'll take my shard cc back...
I'll also take back blinding light, the real jbeam, major mending, OG sweep stun, and magicka crescent...

Until then, just please don't touch invigorating drain...please

Zer0oo · August 2017

I did never understood those changes but most of recent developers decisions are quite ....

But hey you can make a 60k Mag templer next patch to one-shot ppl with purify light.

Jamini · August 2017

Electrone_Magnus wrote: »

Major mending too please

Definitely not. Templars are still the best healers. If anyone should get on-demand major mending back it should be DKs to boost them up. (and not this *** 2s ***. I can't even apply mending to wall and door repairs anymore because it wears off before the animation finishes.)

Healer Styles
-Templar : Overall strongest kit
-Warden : Strongest AoE heals and tons-o-buffs. Easy access to major mending.
-Nightblade : Strongest +heal% boost by slotting siphoning abilities and highest damage of all healers.
-Sorcerer: Best burst heal and best shields.
-Dragonknight: ... cauterize and obsidian shard.

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But yes, a reliable stun and better ult for magicka templars is probably warrented.

the_man_of_steal · August 2017

Magplar has completely been rendered useless in PVP unless you want to be a support class. ZOS needs to fix this asap. My Magplar is now a storage mule thanks to these horrible changes. Even in PVE its a joke. Very upset with ZOS on their decisions here. Of course Magplars were strong and needed a nerf but now they are USELESS.

DocFrost72 · August 2017

Curious OP, do you use vampire for mist form? Of so you have an undodgeable, unblockable hard CC. If not, worth considering.

Kay1 · August 2017

Animal_Mother wrote: »

NO!

Please think of the streaking sorc, the evading gankblade, or the 1vx'er. They need Shards to be impotent to play as they like. Returning stun to shards would be too big of an inconvenience for them and add balance to the world.

You realize gankblades are extinguished, streaking sorc doesn't even make sense with your point and 1vX'rs we are maybe the 0.1% of the community?

I mean back in time they were a lot across all platforms but now I doubt there's more than 50 of them, no skills running 3 proc sets and trying to be 1vXrs don't count, I am talking about the ones that can +1v6 without procs doing the job.

Feanor · August 2017

You mean to say "buffing" Nova by 0.3 seconds was not enough as compensation?

leepalmer95 · August 2017

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Curious OP, do you use vampire for mist form? Of so you have an undodgeable, unblockable hard CC. If not, worth considering.

One that i can't cast while blocking, can be interrupted, doesn't proc burning light and requires me to block cancel it.

Vamp drain isn't bad, but its nothing compared to shard stun.

leepalmer95 · August 2017

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

I run Creasent on my Stamplar, and it's really good for keeping up burst and pressure. Especially if everyone is rolling around.

Give Empowering a stun ulitity, remove the reduce damage portion, keep the DoT and tweak the damage, then that should help MagTemplar a lot in the DPS department. Though many would argue 75 ult cost for a aoe stun on the first hit might seem OP on paper.

However, if the target is out of stamina, it sets up for sweeps combos or lets the Templar gap close into his combos without having to reposition again.

But dawnbreaker is just better than crescent, yes some people will use crescent but overall dawnbreaker is just better.

Balsagna · August 2017

No Stun For You

Takes-No-Prisoner · August 2017

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

I run Creasent on my Stamplar, and it's really good for keeping up burst and pressure. Especially if everyone is rolling around.

Give Empowering a stun ulitity, remove the reduce damage portion, keep the DoT and tweak the damage, then that should help MagTemplar a lot in the DPS department. Though many would argue 75 ult cost for a aoe stun on the first hit might seem OP on paper.

However, if the target is out of stamina, it sets up for sweeps combos or lets the Templar gap close into his combos without having to reposition again.

But dawnbreaker is just better than crescent, yes some people will use crescent but overall dawnbreaker is just better.

I wouldn't mind a Magic and Stam morph of both ults honestly. There are a far number of people I PvP with who use DB on their Magic toons. The hitboxes on it are just too good to pass up for when you need high burst directly in front of you.

itscompton · August 2017

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Curious OP, do you use vampire for mist form? Of so you have an undodgeable, unblockable hard CC. If not, worth considering.

You mean that stun that comes from a channeled ability so you're basically stunned along with your target? Not a great ability to use in Cyrodiil where there is usually more than one enemy around. Shards stun was incredibly versatile and vampire drain doesn't even come close to matching it's utility.

AriBoh · August 2017

I remember starting a similar thread ages ago asking for a snare to help jabs be more reliable.And they gave us that. On the last hit....... so...... yeah. Incoming next patch
- Shards now stuns players if they were already stunned in the last .5 seconds (does not ignore stun immunity)
- New Templar ultimate: The FML spend all of your highest resource pool to deal 1/10 the number spent (Developers note - this is inline with the average Templar damage/resource exchange rate)

leepalmer95 · August 2017

AriBoh wrote: »

I remember starting a similar thread ages ago asking for a snare to help jabs be more reliable.And they gave us that. On the last hit....... so...... yeah. Incoming next patch
- Shards now stuns players if they were already stunned in the last .5 seconds (does not ignore stun immunity)
- New Templar ultimate: The FML spend all of your highest resource pool to deal 1/10 the number spent (Developers note - this is inline with the average Templar damage/resource exchange rate)

They don't really need new fancy effect skills though.

They had the skills already they was just taken away for no viable reason. No one ever complained about them.

LordSlif · January 2018

We should make a big post about templar ults. i dnt know why zos is letting a class without any good ult

Ch4mpTW · January 2018

Don’t you know? ESO favors Nightblades. After all, wasn’t it @ZOS_Wrobel who made a comment about Templars having “houses” to defend. And how if anyone/anything sets foot in said house, that they would have a bad time? Well... 2018 now, and I’m not seeing anyone who opposes Templars having a hard time, unless they’re up against a FOTM StamPlar build.