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Do you see pros fighting pros in PvP? Or it is always pros vs average players?

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Do they avoid fighting each other? Do they have some kind of truce or something?

I have even seen them grouped fighting casuals and noobs.

And I don't mean only streamers but also, and mostly, known names that you know are great players.

Why I always see them fighting average players?
 
Edited by Dragonnord on January 6, 2018 1:57PM
  • Bislobo
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    Experienced/"skilled" players usually avoid fighting each other in open world because it's a waste of time. In duels and BG's they engage and test their builds to the fullest extent.
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    Bislobo wrote: »
    Experienced/"skilled" players usually avoid fighting each other in open world because it's a waste of time. In duels and BG's they engage and test their builds to the fullest extent.

    What do you mean it's "a waste of time" fighting another pro player and so I then understand it's "not a waste of time" fighting average players?
     
    Edited by Dragonnord on January 6, 2018 2:01PM
  • Bislobo
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    Because most ppl go to Cyro to farm AP. And ofc you get AP faster killing less experienced players. I don't enjoy that playstyle but that is how ppl usually proceed.
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  • Tavore1138
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    The 'pro' groups generally want to farm points in PvP not waste time having anything near an equal fight - they won't generally take keeps but rather resources or outposts where they will run around and farm less experienced or less organised players, if they do go into keeps it will generally be to take an attacking force from behind for lulz and AP, they might then also wipe defenders too and then just leave when the farming starts to get harder.

    If they meet a comparable force and get countered or even wiped a couple of times they will generally go and find something easier to do while telling tales of how there were 100 men to every one of them :)
  • Brutusmax1mus
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    Cyro is unbalanced due to scrolls, emp bonus, continuous assault so the real pro v pro fights are duels.
  • ToRelax
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    Most fights in Cyrodiil are between uneven numbers. If the side with more players also has at least as skilled players as their opponents, the outcome is clear from the start, which isn't fun. Additionally, it's relatively easy to survive almost anything in a duel if you turtle up. Most 1v1 encounters against good players I get into end either in a draw or one side getting zerged down.
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  • Torbschka
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    Thing is, if u are 1vX 3-4 average players (which is hard, because average is not "potato" level) and another "1vX" player show up - if he attacks u its over.

    So I avoid it to attack them and so do they, so we both can have our 1vX moments :D
  • Joy_Division
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    CarbonX wrote: »
    Do they avoid fighting each other? Do they have some kind of truce or something?

    I have even seen them grouped fighting casuals and noobs.

    And I don't mean only streamers but also, and mostly, known names that you know are great players.

    Why I always see them fighting average players?
     

    They don't always fight average players. Though they usually do because by definition there are few great players and many average ones.

    The best players usually find themselves outnumbered and hounded by many opponents. In such a situation, there isn't a reason to dogpile, especially since at heart this is a game of competition, not a real war.

    Also while there are some friendships and respect, there are just as many rivalries or plain dislike between great players.
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    CarbonX wrote: »
    Bislobo wrote: »
    Experienced/"skilled" players usually avoid fighting each other in open world because it's a waste of time. In duels and BG's they engage and test their builds to the fullest extent.

    What do you mean it's "a waste of time" fighting another pro player and so I then understand it's "not a waste of time" fighting average players?
     

    because the fight would last for about 6 hours because of constant survivals on both sides and only end with both people wrists and fingers hurting and a draw with no winner.
  • Checkmath
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    good players join cyrodiil mostly to 1vX if they play solo. they look for easy targets and fast AP farming. encountering another skilled player would end in a long fight, which is pointless regarding the goal of earning AP. so as soon as they realize, that the enemy player they either leave to look for easier targets or they fight endlessly. but as said, cyrodiil is the place to earn AP, so when they want some good 1v1 fights and measuring strenght, then they rather join a famous duel place.
  • Bam_Bam
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    LOL - "pro groups" will definitely fight other pro-groups. If you put Zerg Squad and Decimation Elite in the same room, they aren't going to laugh and hug it out. The same applies to "pro" individual players. Kudos and ego have a lot to answer for....
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    Checkmath wrote: »
    good players join cyrodiil mostly to 1vX if they play solo. they look for easy targets and fast AP farming. encountering another skilled player would end in a long fight, which is pointless regarding the goal of earning AP. so as soon as they realize, that the enemy player they either leave to look for easier targets or they fight endlessly. but as said, cyrodiil is the place to earn AP, so when they want some good 1v1 fights and measuring strenght, then they rather join a famous duel place.

    Very true - a lot of 1v X videos are filmed miles away from the front lines of a campaign - the "1" will go behind enemy lines, flip a resource then hammer the noobs that turn up. Very rare to see one of the big names attack an organised guild/raid/group because they can and do get slapped - but that never makes the videos :p
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  • Vermintide
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    Basically survivability in this game is way OP. Any game between two pros ends in stalemate, totally inevitable. Think of that part From Wargames about tic-tac-toe.

    Or, think of a game of Street Fighter where chip damage is turned off.

    Duelling is ***.
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    Vermintide wrote: »
    Basically survivability in this game is way OP. Any game between two pros ends in stalemate, totally inevitable. Think of that part From Wargames about tic-tac-toe.

    Or, think of a game of Street Fighter where chip damage is turned off.

    Duelling is ***.

    or a game of dragonball-z with small regeneration
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  • Animus-ESO
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    Ill put it out there plain as I possibly can. Balance in the game is sooooo good right now, you CAN"T 1vX decent players. If you get 1vXed you simply either made a major mistake or -YOU ARE BAD AT THE GAME- I've dueled enough to know that every class can do a lot of damage and take a lot of damage in a 1v1 to make even 1v2 impossible against equally skilled opponents.

    SO 1vXers normally leave eachother alone unless they have a grudge. Some times as a DC ive even helped an EP kill off 4-6 pugs trying to zerg him down.
    Edited by Animus-ESO on January 6, 2018 4:02PM
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  • Rohamad_Ali
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    No one gets avoided . Skilled players just don't fall for each other's tricks and chase into traps .
  • Lucasalex92
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    So how do you expect people to stay and enjoy game (while they try to make AP and learn in same time????) while u get crap amout and things like motiffs or some people try to farm for gold jewellery which if a bit overpriced in AP
    I will always need for more classes in the game... Monk Kung Fu Khajit - with martial art staff and straw hat, Alchemist - throwing bombs and potions , Bard as support rather then healer, and Arificer and Arifact collector of alyed and dwemer ruins
  • monktoasty
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    No..it'd all about killing noobs..they can't risk getting beat and cry8ngblike babies
  • zyk
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    This has been discussed in the Alliance War forum a few times and many solo/small group players confirmed they prefer not to engage other solo/small group players.

    A big reason is the design of the scoring system. It's simply more profitable for organized groups to run randoms through a meat grinder than engage groups that compare to them.

    Another factor is that there will always be randoms assisting one side in any objective encounter, and some groups don't want to beat another group if they outnumber them.

    Players in ESO tend to be obsessed with numbers. Many seem to think that merely being outnumbered is the ultimate disadvantage, ignoring the fact that they have every other advantage against disorganized randoms. Being organized with voice comms alone is a massive advantage and such players usually have optimized builds as well.

    Personally, I find combat boring outside of the context of objectives. Every PVP game I enjoy is team/objective based. Even though many players don't care about the map, it tends to dictate my actions. Numbers are irrelevant. If I am outnumbered but feel I have an opportunity to make a positive impact for my team, I'll always try to, even if the odds are very bad. If other players in my faction are being farmed, I'll gladly help them, even if we outnumber our opponents -- in this scenario, the odds are also often very bad.

    At the end of the day, I'd rather fight good, organized players with strong builds than inexperienced, disorganized randoms, regardless of numbers.

    With all of that said, I would say there seems to be more rivalries than ever now -- at least on PC/NA/Vivec -- and a growing GvG scene has emerged.
  • Maura_Neysa
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    Wow no Pros don't farm AP. AP is so common when you PVP all that its worthless. Unless you are going for Emp again also meh, then what does Ae get you? Tel Var at least sets the mats for potions.

    Pro us Pro Is a pain to look for, but Pro vs mob is easy to find when you're the Pro, that all it is. When you love to PvP you want to fight, not spend all your time looking for a fight. Thats what dueling turniments are for grouping up the best so they can test themselves agains each other.
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  • ToRelax
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    Checkmath wrote: »
    good players join cyrodiil mostly to 1vX if they play solo. they look for easy targets and fast AP farming. encountering another skilled player would end in a long fight, which is pointless regarding the goal of earning AP. so as soon as they realize, that the enemy player they either leave to look for easier targets or they fight endlessly. but as said, cyrodiil is the place to earn AP, so when they want some good 1v1 fights and measuring strenght, then they rather join a famous duel place.

    People don't 1vX to farm AP.
    Baranthus wrote: »
    LOL - "pro groups" will definitely fight other pro-groups. If you put Zerg Squad and Decimation Elite in the same room, they aren't going to laugh and hug it out. The same applies to "pro" individual players. Kudos and ego have a lot to answer for....

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  • coop500
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    Because almost every hardcore PVPer (the ones that hate doing PVE) enjoy farming noobs for fast AP.

    As a victim of this repeatedly, I laugh at the PVPers on here that will claim the PVP community is friendly ad won't pick on you if they find out you die in two seconds because you're not a PVPer.

    Any ganker is essentially this.
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  • Autumnhart
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    It depends. Do they never fight each other? Lol, no. Do they always go looking for the pro v pro fight? No. Nobody is roaming Cyrodiil only engaging when things are equal.
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    Well, a lot of times the “pro” 1vXers are well known. I know that if I go into PvP I will basically fight anyone I see unless they’re a friend.

    If an enemy is standing still (not attacking) then it’s kind of a known thing in ESO that they’re not looking to fight. Standing still and spamming block is sort of a sign of peace. I won’t engage when players do this unless it’s clearly an act to wait for backup.

    Other times when I fight against really good players, we either keep going for 10min straight only to go our separate ways, or one of us gets ganked... these are fun fights but I want to go take resources and fight off groups instead in Cyrodiil. So pro vs pro players tends not to really happen very much except in actual duals and BGs ofc. And really good small groups form to mainly farm large groups of unskilled players for AP rather than each other.

    There are also occasions where maybe three EP are fighting 20+ AD, and instead of being a nuisance to them both, I will fight alongside the EP. I try to even odds out because honestly, my gameplay revolves around taking resources, zergsurfing when I’m nearby a keep that’s about to get taken, and fighting in areas where the two opposing factions are. 1vXers tend to have to do that to actually remain playing solo despite going far from their closest spawn point - not very enticing to engage great players that can almost certainly take you down when they run together, since you can just let them pass and continue fighting everyone else.

    When I say great btw, I don’t mean some random with a high rank or your typical Stam Warden meta chaser. I mean the players that still play PvP since launch and who are very comfortable with their class. Not too many of those.
    Edited by Vaoh on January 6, 2018 5:31PM
  • Malmai
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    Bislobo wrote: »
    Experienced/"skilled" players usually avoid fighting each other in open world because it's a waste of time. In duels and BG's they engage and test their builds to the fullest extent.

    Fight can be very long... So yes its kinda irrelevant.
    Edited by Malmai on January 6, 2018 5:32PM
  • Malmai
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    Bislobo wrote: »
    Experienced/"skilled" players usually avoid fighting each other in open world because it's a waste of time. In duels and BG's they engage and test their builds to the fullest extent.

    Fight can be very long... So yes its kinda irrelevant.
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    Baranthus wrote: »
    LOL - "pro groups" will definitely fight other pro-groups. If you put Zerg Squad and Decimation Elite in the same room, they aren't going to laugh and hug it out. The same applies to "pro" individual players. Kudos and ego have a lot to answer for....

    :D:D:D
    Edited by Fasold666 on January 6, 2018 5:43PM
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    Pros usually duel to show who is better. Otherwise in openworld pro players go for the fastest AP, so bad/average players. This is both solo/group.

    As for pro groups fighting eachother:

    Pro groups being: OK players, (can't rlly consider them pro because they rely on their group, not own skill alone.) most of the time Magsorc/NB bomb/negaters and templar and the odd warden healer in a role either healbotting or ulting on crown command. I digress. Same difference, mostly just steamrolling pugs, the occasional GvG to show who is the better organized group.

    Edited by ak_pvp on January 6, 2018 6:14PM
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    It depends 100% who meets who. The top PvP players all know each other and there is hate / tolerance or even friendship involved.
    The rule of thumb I use and most other people I know is: Did he zerg me/ teabag me after zerging or is a *** i will attack him.
    Was there no fight between us/ is it a friend / did i play with him? I won't attack
    And special category is it someone i know really good? I will teabag him and tell him to git gud when he lost a 1v20
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