ZOS, why will be storage crates only obtainable by master writs, tel var stones and for crowns?GOLD?

AzraelKrieg · January 2018

DPShiro wrote: »

Just create another shameless begging topic like when you didn’t have gold to buy the house?

Definitely should do this. Maybe you'll get poor sap that will go out of their way to do a heap of master writs or spend time in the sewers so you can use your gold to buy the boxes from them. Assuming you have the gold to do that and not beg for it again.

Beardimus · January 2018

altemriel wrote: »

well yes, but not everyone likes the sewers zergs, you know...

There are zergs in sewers? Which ones? I want in. When I go they are dead

coop500 · January 2018

Crafters finally get a dried, crusty, slightly rotten bone thrown to us and people pitch a fit?

Same for PVPers in the Tel-var section.

Yeah no respect or sympathy for the OP here.

Mureel · January 2018

mb10 wrote: »

How you use the word "only" when listing 3 different options is beyond me.

Learn to be more appreciative because doing the baby moan isnt going to have you get your way in the real world. Coins are NOT an option and so you either get used to that or you dont buy them at all.

GL.

Except it looks like coins are an option, but from other players....so I don't see problem.

Emma_Overload · January 2018

Saint_Bud wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

this should be for all 3:

telvar - ok, why not - PVPers will be happy
master writs - ok, why not, master crafters will be happy
crowns - ok, why not, people who want to buy for real money will be happy

but no gold - pure PVEers will not be happy...

and not everyne will have 200K gold for a rune box, I suppose the prices will be way too high for many people to be able to afford it. so this is pretty unfair and should be changed!!!

give it us for gold ALSO ZOS!!!

PvPers will be happy if it cost ap to, not telvar.

Speak for yourself! It's much easier to accumulate Tel Var.

idk · January 2018

Zos has to choose some means for acquiring them in game if it is to not be crown store only. It makes more sense to have them sell for a currency already in game vs create a new one.

It does not matter the means chosen, someone will not favor doing whatever is chosen. As some have suggested, you will likely be able to by them from other players.

Apache_Kid · January 2018

Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

well yes, but not everyone likes the sewers zergs, you know...

If you even played the sewers at all, you would know you will basically never run into anyone in the sewers if you pick a dead campaign. You literally just defeated yourself.

Not sure about other platforms but on Xbox NA there are no dead campaigns. Only time the sewers are empty is usually late at night/early morning. Sometimes early afternoon. Not this should stop you from being able to gather tel var.

Pangnirtung · January 2018

Is this a failing attempt to appease the PVPers that have been complaining since beta that there are serious problems that have not been fixed?

I have NO intention of setting foot ever again in Cyrodiil.

ZOS you need to understand not everyone likes PVP.

Qbiken · January 2018

Beardimus wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

well yes, but not everyone likes the sewers zergs, you know...

There are zergs in sewers? Which ones? I want in. When I go they are dead

When hunting in the sewers you can sometimes find some PvE ppl running in a 15-20 man blob. Think I see maybe 2-3 of those/month down in the sewers

Dapper Dinosaur · January 2018

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

well yes, but not everyone likes the sewers zergs, you know...

If you even played the sewers at all, you would know you will basically never run into anyone in the sewers if you pick a dead campaign. You literally just defeated yourself.

Not sure about other platforms but on Xbox NA there are no dead campaigns. Only time the sewers are empty is usually late at night/early morning. Sometimes early afternoon. Not this should stop you from being able to gather tel var.

I play Xbox NA and I can go into any campaign not named Vivec to have free reign of the sewers. Although admittedly I have not gone back there in a couple months.

Apache_Kid · January 2018

Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

well yes, but not everyone likes the sewers zergs, you know...

If you even played the sewers at all, you would know you will basically never run into anyone in the sewers if you pick a dead campaign. You literally just defeated yourself.

Not sure about other platforms but on Xbox NA there are no dead campaigns. Only time the sewers are empty is usually late at night/early morning. Sometimes early afternoon. Not this should stop you from being able to gather tel var.

I play Xbox NA and I can go into any campaign not named Vivec to have free reign of the sewers. Although admittedly I have not gone back there in a couple months.

Well going in to the sewers in a Non-CP campaign that's dead to farm tel var defeats the whole purpose of finding a dead campaign to farm in but Shor sewers have been decently populated as of late. I haven't seen empty sewers since Xarxes and Kastav went away.

Dapper Dinosaur · January 2018

Well going in to the sewers in a Non-CP campaign that's dead to farm tel var defeats the whole purpose of finding a dead campaign to farm in

What?

Samadhi · January 2018

altemriel wrote: »

...
but no gold - pure PVEers will not be happy...

and not everyne will have 200K gold for a rune box, I suppose the prices will be way too high for many people to be able to afford it. so this is pretty unfair and should be changed!!!
...

Seeking just a point of clarification

Do not care much about the storage, so have not been following the issue
but in this portion are you proposing that it should be in game for a gold cost of 200k
or are you figuring that 200k will be the price at guild traders (it is not to my knowledge if they are tradeable or not)
and find 200k prohibitively expensive

jssriot · January 2018

Plenty of players with master crafters will be happy to sell you some for gold via guild traders. Just know that we with master crafters didn't put in the time and effort to make master crafters to sell you lazy louts nice things for cheap.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

I’m going out on a limb that the intent is so crafters can sale for gold. Understand with the changes to add an outfit system, motifs value for crafting other players outfits will drop to non-existent

I think the point is this a really nice thing that, hey, maybe here's an idea, people should actually invest in the game in order to get.

I'm a master crafter and a fairly good trader (average >500k gold a week in guild stores sales). I'm not worried about any impact on crafting for other players because I don't rely on that for gold, and many players now already don't care about motifs because they are using costumes. There will still be demand for crafted sets, regardless.

Also, using master writs vouchers to get things to sell will not be a very sustainable practice for most master crafters. Sure, we will probably sell a few because there'll be a demand, but I cannot see it being something anyone will commit all their vouchers into. Master writ vouchers are not cheap to get, whether you are crafting all the 5-7 voucher writs you yourself get or are buying higher voucher writs from other players so not to use so many mats. At some point for most crafters, it becomes diminishing returns to rely on master writ vouchers for items to sell for gold and more importantly you won't have any vouchers to spend on things you want for yourself.

In terms of invigorating the player economy though, this is pretty good news for traders who farm popular motifs to sell as now non-crafting players have a new motivation to learn motifs.

Dapper Dinosaur · January 2018

Samadhi wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

...
but no gold - pure PVEers will not be happy...

and not everyne will have 200K gold for a rune box, I suppose the prices will be way too high for many people to be able to afford it. so this is pretty unfair and should be changed!!!
...

Seeking just a point of clarification

Do not care much about the storage, so have not been following the issue
but in this portion are you proposing that it should be in game for a gold cost of 200k
or are you figuring that 200k will be the price at guild traders (it is not to my knowledge if they are tradeable or not)
and find 200k prohibitively expensive

Are you aware the last bank and bag slots are stuck behind 100k+ gold walls, right, much less the few sets of slots before them? If I have to pay 200k per 60, that is monumentally better space/gold ratio.

pauli133 · January 2018

Pangnirtung wrote: »

ZOS you need to understand not everyone likes PVP.

ZOS understands this quite well, actually.

Some representatives of the PVP community, on the other hand...

Apache_Kid · January 2018

Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »

Well going in to the sewers in a Non-CP campaign that's dead to farm tel var defeats the whole purpose of finding a dead campaign to farm in

What?

Why would I go into a non-CP campaign that's dead to farm tel var? Killing any boss would take forever with No CP and there will be no one to kill because it's dead so you can't take their stones. So whats left? Killing the regular NPC mobs with no CP? I'd rather just have my CP and be able to kill the mobs much faster in a zone that is slightly populated as opposed to dead because that also gives me more targets for stones. Sorry but I've always found non-cp campaigns to be terrible places for generating tel-var stones.

GaunterODim · January 2018

Wtf is this thread? I was actually pleasantly surprised of the different options to obtain them when I watched the stream yesterday!

Runs · January 2018

altemriel wrote: »

why close it for people, who do not do pvp or master writs???

this is unfair, it should be ALSO for gold!! make it 20 000 for one crate, but pls give it also to non-crafter PVEers!!!

20k gold for one...

That is absurdly low. There would be 0, zero, zilch, nada, none, no reason to use any other method of obtaining. Unless you think they should go for 70 crowns, 20 vouchers, or 10k telvar a piece as well.

If the 60 slots from a large chest where part of the banking system the value would be 585,000 gold. Even though they are not part of the bank, the desire for these is still going to be high and I would be the price(in the 3 methods of obtaining) will be as well.

Spacemonkey · January 2018

I would prefer schematics drop from writs and need max traits to craft - and be 100% tradeable. At least then master crafters get a tiny consolation prize for transmog and transmute completly bypassing any utility community-wise by crafters.

But I guess this is a consolation to it not being that consolation.
Either way. Tel Var and master writs are SO easy to farm (not necessarily in bulk).

You can get master writs from provisioning and enchanting within a few days of playing on an alt and I am NOT kidding. Once youve leveled their respective trees its about 5 mins per character to do thsoe 2 writs and turn them in every day.

Samadhi · January 2018

Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

...
but no gold - pure PVEers will not be happy...

and not everyne will have 200K gold for a rune box, I suppose the prices will be way too high for many people to be able to afford it. so this is pretty unfair and should be changed!!!
...

Seeking just a point of clarification

Do not care much about the storage, so have not been following the issue
but in this portion are you proposing that it should be in game for a gold cost of 200k
or are you figuring that 200k will be the price at guild traders (it is not to my knowledge if they are tradeable or not)
and find 200k prohibitively expensive

Are you aware the last bank and bag slots are stuck behind 100k+ gold walls, right, much less the few sets of slots before them? If I have to pay 200k per 60, that is monumentally better space/gold ratio.

Have a maxed out bank but have not bothered maxing out bag on any characters
but do not personally find 200k to be expensive -- can turn that out in a few days through dungeon or overland farming
hence my asking whether 200k is being presented as favorable or as an issue

Seems reasonable to me if these can already be bought from other players with minimal effort put in

altemriel · January 2018

there is just no reason why it could not ALSO be for gold!!

Aeslief · January 2018

altemriel wrote: »

there is just no reason why it could not ALSO be for gold!!

It’s already been pointed out many times that tel var and master writ items aren’t bound, so you likely will be able to buy them in gold from other players who are willing to do the work farming them. What more do you want?

Asardes · January 2018

A bit late for me to make a significant impact. I've indeed struggled with inventory in the past but maxxed out my bank and 1st char inventory fast, within 6-8 months of starting to play. Then I maxxed bag & horse on each subsequent character. And my bank account kept increasing

Linaleah · January 2018

Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

well yes, but not everyone likes the sewers zergs, you know...

If you even played the sewers at all, you would know you will basically never run into anyone in the sewers if you pick a dead campaign. You literally just defeated yourself.

what is this dead campaign you speak of? didn't they delete those, only leaving 3 campaigns left for people at lvl 50?

Amyxleexownsxu · January 2018

Honestly I feel like the containers will be sellable bcus nothing currently bought with writ vouchers is bound..

Imryll · January 2018

altemriel wrote: »

WHY, BUT WHYYYY???!!

Home decoration is largely about crafting so it makes sense to me, particularly as crafting hasn't been as consistently rewarded as the activities you say you enjoy--running dungeons and trials. I wouldn't argue that trial gear should be available for gold just because I don't want to run them. Perhaps those who don't care to craft shouldn't expect as ready access to the rewards of crafting as those who do?

DeadlyRecluse · January 2018

I like additions to the game that keep value in the nongold currencies.

Should be available for AP too, though

AlienatedGoat · January 2018

ZOS said that the ones bought from Master Writ Vendor will be tradeable and sellable.

So you'll be able to buy one off the guild trader market for gold. Problem solved.

monktoasty · January 2018

I agree storage should be obtainable by all. End of story. No forced pvp.