I know I'm pretty late to this discussion as well as starting game but I recently started playing eso and so far have a level 14 DK and a level 11 sorcerer. So far I enjoy playing them both but I do have to say I like more of the DK moves, I think sorcerers need some kind of fire skill tree. my actual question is between the two classes which is better for overall dps? I enjoy playing ranged dps mostly but could deal with the dk style if it really made that much of a difference.

Shakcle, riposte, master inferno, domihaus
1 cost reduction, 2 recovery
Good luck

I use Rune prison on my Sorc. I prefer putting it on my body so it gives me more seconds to react to gankers. If played right MagSorc can be a very powerful force to deal with. Tricky to hit, and very powerful in group fights when they use Negate.

Harness saved an enemy MagWarden last night when he tried to engage me and ate 2 bleeds to the face. It's not as good as Hardened for sure, but the magic return on it on Sorc can be useful on some build/rotation types for PvP.

lao wrote: »

Hurtfan wrote: »

Maybe I need to L2P but I don't like the 3 shield build. Whenever I run across someone with this build in PvP (which is very rare), they don't do any damage.

no1 in his right mind that knows what he is doing runs harness magicka these days. all you need is hardened ward and healing ward incase you need to heal. only reason ppl ever used harness was for sustain but its a complete waste of a slot with todays sets/high cp and if you know how to play.

My mind has never been right. It works tho.

LordSemaj wrote: »

How to Sorcerer:

1) When your stamina is low but your magicka is high, spam shields and damage while regaining stamina.
2) When your magicka is low but your stamina is high, spam dark exchange while regaining tons of magicka.
3) When your health is low but your other pools are okay, spam shields and dark exchanges until you recover.
4) When your health and stamina are low but your magicka is high, spam shields and blink around until you get enough stamina to use dark exchange.
5) When your health and magicka are low but your stamina is high, sprint around using dark exchange so you can immediately shield.
6) When your stamina and magicka are low but your health is high, use heavy attacks to restore because you're about to be in an immediate need of shielding/healing.
7) When all three of your stats are low, drink a tri pot.
8) When your pot is on cooldown, kiss your ass goodbye.
9) When all your stats are high, spam damage and use your ultimate.

Sorc survival and sustain are just unholy.

Sorcs do the shields are awful in that the only counter that doesn't gimp yourself is to dishout all your cc/burst in a second when shields drop. And that they are very annoying to play against with range/streak/unreflectable stuff. However burst is single target, now rather lackluster, (people hardly run frags) and quite telegraphed and easy to deal with in other ways for competent players.

Well they didn't fix the problem with shields but they broke something else which ended up with a somehow decently balanced, but boring and annoying sorc.

Buff damage+speed. Nerf shields. At least then one of us could kill the other before they run away.

ToRelax wrote: »

clocksstoppe wrote: »

LOL at the people here telling this person sorcs actually care about sustain in pvp. Streak Dark Conversion back bar ez sustain and escape.

Exactly. Just go full damage and if you're nearly out of magicka just Streak a few times and spam Dark Conversion with that juicy 600 sth stam regen. They'll never catch you.

Lol out of magicka. Just spam streak a few times. If you do that you wouldnt be out of magicka. After 2 streaks, the skill costs 8k lol

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »

JUST SPAM YOUR SHIELDS AND MAKE DAMAGE WHILE YOU HAVE THEM UP

Did you try it? It doesn't work anymore against certain builds that are very spread in PVP:

For example 2H Stam players will insta-strip your shields down by using their combo Heavy Attack + Dizzy swing + Down-breaker combo;
By the time you break free you are in 2H execute range and every executioner you take is striping at least one shield and generates Tons of Ultis on the other end with the new 2H weapon ZOS introduced.

And if not dead yet then here you go one more Heavy Attack + Dizzy swing + Down-breaker just in mater of seconds.

Your 3 shields stacking cannot do much against this insane burst and sustain.

Another example are the templars that are using power of the light. That skill stores ton of the damage out of your zero-resisting shields and then it all comes to you in one burst - very high pressure - very hard to counter.

And yeah shields are still effective against weak builds - and still annoys tons of players - but they are far from being very good anymore - and yeah there is also shield breaker set out there - and you know what is the next thing the annoyed players do when they fail to burst through your shields? Correct ! they put shield breaker on and hunt you down just for the sake or revenge!

So if you take the shield staking approach for your build(which I still use as there is no other options for mag sorcs) then expect it not working in lots and lots of encounters!

What do you think about combine Spinners with julianos? I know I can have problems with my resources, but what about the damage? Are there maybe any other similar combinations with better results?

I cannot find any other set apart from julianos, because it gives spell damage that boost spell and shock damage. War maiden for example would boost only skills that do spell damage and not shock... any reasonable suggestions?

Biro123 wrote: »

teladoy wrote: »

What do you think about combine Spinners with julianos? I know I can have problems with my resources, but what about the damage? Are there maybe any other similar combinations with better results?

I cannot find any other set apart from julianos, because it gives spell damage that boost spell and shock damage. War maiden for example would boost only skills that do spell damage and not shock... any reasonable suggestions?

You know Max magica also increases your damage? Yes, you get slightly more straight damage from a spell-damage set bonus, but magica also benefits your shield strength, and therefore your defences, and magical return from harness -and therefore your sustain.
In addition, if you do try to go for all-out damage but no sustain (not advised), without a massive magical pool, there is a much greater chance of running dry before your opponent is dead.

I'm not gonna tell anybody what to do, but I don't think spinners/juli gives enough mag.and also not enough sustain.

Shacklebreaker can be a good base starter-choice to pair with a damage set if you want to prioritise DMG over sustain. It gives a spell-dmg set bonus and 2k Max mag. Also the stam it gives let's you run witchmothers instead of tri-stat food to give your sustain(along with the recov set bonus it gives).

I tend to get my crit(and more mag) from running magelight on my front bar and having hardened on the front bar, too.

I know, actually I'm running Necropotence with TBS with the lover and the mage, and is pretty strong.

The problem is I wanted to try something more aggressive. Sacrifice my shield for more damage. Also I wanted to play without pets because actually I don't like and need to have them in both bars equipped.