Questions on spellcrafting concept

LapisLazuli99 · December 2017

I know its a common discussion subject and may be possible in the future but I was curious of what spellcrafting would actually entail? In my mind I invision the scrolls from Skyrim that let you cast spells you didn't know?

So a Templar could use spell crafting to create limited use consumable scrolls that would let someone equip and use say Rushed Ceremony in the consumables slot like a potion regardless of class? But I don't know if I'm far off of the general concept?

WaltherCarraway · December 2017

Oh yea I’d like to craft crystalsteeltornadowhip for my MagDK if spellcrafting is a thing

LapisLazuli99 · December 2017

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

Oh yea I’d like to craft crystalsteeltornadowhip for my MagDK if spellcrafting is a thing

I feel like inventing spells would be a little much XD

wenchmore420b14_ESO · December 2017

Here is from 2014 QuakeCon and a sample of how they were going to do Spellcrafting. This system is made and coded as you see in vid. I personally love this system.
It has been stated that this is on the back burner ATM, but is still possible in future.
NOTE: The game designer who designed this , Nick Konkle, is no longer with ZoS.
Starts at 52:51

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LkeMacg-b0

LapisLazuli99 · December 2017

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

Here is from 2014 QuakeCon and a sample of how they were going to do Spellcrafting. This system is made and coded as you see in vid. I personally love this system.
It has been stated that this is on the back burner ATM, but is still possible in future.
NOTE: The game designer who designed this , Nick Konkle, is no longer with ZoS.
Starts at 52:51
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LkeMacg-b0

Thank you so much for the literal perfect response! XD

Nephimana · December 2017

I remember watching the QuakeCon and thought the concept was cool with spell crafting can either make them abilities, active abilities or ultimates all with morphs and runes being tradeable.
But I can see it being incredibly hard to balance, we're struggling to balance the classes we have let alone add more easily abusable mechanics.

kyle.wilson · December 2017

The developers that were working on spell crafting left shortly after Quakecon 2014. So I doubt anyone is still working on it.

@ZOS_MattFiror

wenchmore420b14_ESO · December 2017

Paul Sage and Nick Konkle left in spring 2015.
There are ESO Live episodes and a couple of interviews that said it was still on the table, but not a priority atm...
Or I should clarify, "Still being looked at, but not in the near future.."..

Axoinus · December 2017

Would seem to be very difficult to find the right balance. Would be one of those things that is either overpowered or totally worthless/pointless. Particularly in this dps envirnment.

Iluvrien · December 2017

Axoinus wrote: »

Would seem to be very difficult to find the right balance. Would be one of those things that is either overpowered or totally worthless/pointless. Particularly in this dps envirnment.

Worthless, please... at least in an Endgame sense.

Why? Because then it would have a chance of staying the same shape for five minutes if the competitive content crowd weren't calling for nerfs.

Vaoh · December 2017

There was a very nice datamine on Spellcrafting a long time ago as well. Much has likely changed but you’ll love this:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/2xpn39/data_mining_spellcrafting_what_is_it_and_what_are/

Reminds me of Oblivion.

Nerouyn · December 2017

LapisLazuli99 wrote: »

I was curious of what spellcrafting would actually entail?

We only know what it probably won't look like, because spellcrafting as originally unveiled has since been described by the game director as something he doesn't want to do.

The original plan.

https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/2xpn39/data_mining_spellcrafting_what_is_it_and_what_are/

The game director last year saying it probably won't be that.

Okay. I guess the same thing could be said about spell crafting?

Same thing. With spell crafting we actually got in enough to start seeing how it worked, we didn’t like the design so much and it was going to be more work than we thought to get it to launch so we kind of put it aside to do Thieves Guild, Dark Brotherhood, One Tamriel, housing etc.

But it will come eventually, it’s just further out.

Tommy_The_Gun · December 2017

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LkeMacg-b0

Well I have my concerns about spell crafting. I mean don't get me wrong - it is a good idea but how are you going to balance this out ? ? ? Especially for PvP ? ?

How are you going to not to make a mag sorc using a invisibility spell (yeah.... 3 shields, a lot of dmg and a NB - style stealth invisibility). The same goes for lets say NB being able to use some "shield" spells... or DK being able to use some Templar - style burst healing... Current class balance in eso is a mess and I can not imagine this being any better with custom spells like that...

Jade1986 · December 2017

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

Here is from 2014 QuakeCon and a sample of how they were going to do Spellcrafting. This system is made and coded as you see in vid. I personally love this system.
It has been stated that this is on the back burner ATM, but is still possible in future.
NOTE: The game designer who designed this , Nick Konkle, is no longer with ZoS.
Starts at 52:51
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LkeMacg-b0

Too bad we dont have those devs anymore, the new ones are....lackluster to say the least.

I would have LOVED a justice system like that.

I would love spell crafting.

What happened? Seriously. Imo it was the crown crates and store. Once they saw they could make money from garbage, boom. Focus shift.

Nerouyn · December 2017

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

It has been stated that this is on the back burner ATM, but is still possible in future.

Perhaps you missed it.

Last year Matt Firor (game director) said they didn't like that design.

Tommy_The_Gun · December 2017

Jade1986 wrote: »

I would have LOVED a justice system like that.

That could be a disaster... Imagine all those gankers in PvE zones... in every good spot where you can loot some junk and then fence it - there would be a fu** ton of them... standing next to desks, crates, wardrobes etc...
To be honest that would hit the guild traders the hard way as if stealing & fencing stuff is the fastest way for solo players to farm gold... and that gold later goes to.. you guess it - guild traders...

Kram8ion · December 2017

As long as it wouldn't turn out to be the grind that furniture/housing is but I'd prefer jewellery crafting instead

LapisLazuli99 · December 2017

Jade1986 wrote: »

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

Here is from 2014 QuakeCon and a sample of how they were going to do Spellcrafting. This system is made and coded as you see in vid. I personally love this system.
It has been stated that this is on the back burner ATM, but is still possible in future.
NOTE: The game designer who designed this , Nick Konkle, is no longer with ZoS.
Starts at 52:51
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LkeMacg-b0

Too bad we dont have those devs anymore, the new ones are....lackluster to say the least.

I would have LOVED a justice system like that.

I would love spell crafting.

What happened? Seriously. Imo it was the crown crates and store. Once they saw they could make money from garbage, boom. Focus shift.

Don't the crown crates pay for the rather larger amount of add ons and support the game recieves?

Jarryzzt · December 2017

Ye gods. Fun as that system sounds, I, for one, wouldn't want to roll it out into the game in the form described in the Youtube video. [Which, to be fair, is three or more years old.]

Think about it. At least three or four - let's call them three - "schools" of magic, each with six active skills (standard for a skill line) plus passives, each skill with six morphs turning it into a different skill...That's 108 new active skills that everyone in the game can potentially access. Plus the school passives, of course.

Balance that.

Also, too, make sure people have any reason to invest in weapon or class lines beyond the 1-2 button pseudo-build you need to chase down the tablets in PVE. While also giving them a reason to chase the 108 new skills.

Also, too, give stamina characters something to do. While the mages run around with 108 new skills. Otherwise why bother with a stamina character?

It's a cute concept but could potentially be such a bloody nightmare...

...so I hope when they do roll these things out they figure out a way to do it differently. Which isn't easy (assuming you also keep any replacement system "fun"), I'll grant.

Jade1986 · December 2017

LapisLazuli99 wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

Here is from 2014 QuakeCon and a sample of how they were going to do Spellcrafting. This system is made and coded as you see in vid. I personally love this system.
It has been stated that this is on the back burner ATM, but is still possible in future.
NOTE: The game designer who designed this , Nick Konkle, is no longer with ZoS.
Starts at 52:51
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LkeMacg-b0

Too bad we dont have those devs anymore, the new ones are....lackluster to say the least.

I would have LOVED a justice system like that.

I would love spell crafting.

What happened? Seriously. Imo it was the crown crates and store. Once they saw they could make money from garbage, boom. Focus shift.

Don't the crown crates pay for the rather larger amount of add ons and support the game recieves?

Not really, they werent around at first. The once expansion per quarter was already planned before the crown store even existed. I can understand a crown store, but the crates were just not needed, and then they focus so much energy on developing those things we dont get needed and wanted new things.

ParaNostram · December 2017

LapisLazuli99 wrote: »

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

Oh yea I’d like to craft crystalsteeltornadowhip for my MagDK if spellcrafting is a thing

I feel like inventing spells would be a little much XD

Creating spells is literally the point of it, it's spell crafting. It'd be like expecting blacksmithing to create consumable weapons, why would you expect that?

Anywho there's full datamining on what was in the system at last look, all of the available spells you could have made.

LapisLazuli99 · December 2017

ParaNostram wrote: »

LapisLazuli99 wrote: »

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

Oh yea I’d like to craft crystalsteeltornadowhip for my MagDK if spellcrafting is a thing

I feel like inventing spells would be a little much XD

Creating spells is literally the point of it, it's spell crafting. It'd be like expecting blacksmithing to create consumable weapons, why would you expect that?

Anywho there's full datamining on what was in the system at last look, all of the available spells you could have made.

It isn't really inventing spells? It's finding spells that have more generic morphs than normal and scale with quality instead if player stats? Not like the comments of people wanting to invent godly game breaking spells like the one I was replying to.