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My the worst nightmare about ESO's future. Gods save us from this.
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✭✭✭✭✭WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »It's completely credible that they would create a two/four-wheeled-automative-wagon to facilited transportation.
I disagree. The regions Dwemer settlements are most frequently found in are mountainous areas (Skyrim, Vvardenfell) and deserts (Hammerfell) and wheels are more useful over flat, solid terrain. A motorcycle can't climb mountains, will slip on ice and get stuck in snow or sand, where a Spider CAN climb, has multiple legs to protect against slipping, and is more manuverable than a motorcycle (or car, while we're at it) which can't go sideways if it gets stuck. A wheeled design might be fine within the cities themselves, but then it's a much smaller area to transport goods or people and a high speed, long distance wheeled design such as a motorcycle or car would be inefficient for that. Even for transportation between underground cities, I'd think something like a train would be more efficient - ONE massive automata for transporting goods back and forth instead of an army of smaller ones.
So no Dwemer motorcycles.
Soooo...... gyrocopters, then?
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That said... I loved loved loved my Engineer's motorcycle & copter in WoW. But I just can't get into wacky mounts in this game. Not even the relatively-normal-skinned cats/lizards/etc. I just ride my regular old black horse, on all my characters. (And since Wacky Mounts seems to be the point of crown crates, I've had no desire to buy any of those, either. Got a cat from a free crate, I've used it once.)1 -
RupzSkooma✭✭✭✭This is what we need . And also rifles , tanks and fighter jet (will probably be too hard to implement) .
ZOS can look forward to COD and BF demographics aswell.
PS: Seriously though , u did an awesome work there !!
Edited by RupzSkooma on December 27, 2017 4:28PMElder Kings II is a Role Playing Elder Scrolls mod for Crusader Kings III.1 -
wendal✭✭✭Very nice build indeed! Along similar lines I've built a dwarven/clockwork gyrocopter thing in my pariahs pinnacle, as the first rooms felt more like hangers to me. It spawned the idea that my orc and friends operate some kind of land/sea international rescue service for stranded mariners and adventurers in trouble. I'm trying to theme the rest of the space around that and already have a workshop, maybe I'll use your idea here and put a bike or two in as rapid response units! I'll try and post a pic when I'm back from holiday travels!Edited by wendal on December 27, 2017 4:49PM0 -
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✭✭✭To the OP, AWESOME pic! But yea, a big HELL NO!!!
How so?
Dwemer fantasypunk schemes literally allows them to add anything fantasypunk'ish related to the game. We already have Dwemer spider, just add a few dwemers shperes as wheels and we are good to roll..
Taming an automaton is one thing, making a motorcycle is another thing. This should never ever entre TESO, just like guns should NEVER be in teso. It is far far too lore breaking.
1º Dwemers literally created a gundam (last boss HOF). Also they created inumerous ingenious facilities and automatons, including AIRSHIPS. It's completely credible that they would create a two/four-wheeled-automative-wagon to facilited transportation.
2º The devs decide whats is lore and what's not. Of couse we can personally judge what is plausible and coherent and what's not. But that's our personal opinion not some universal statement.
Actually, no the Devs don't. Lawrence Schick is The Loremaster and the writing team consists of many writers including Zeb Cook (Both Lawrence and Zeb are TSR alumni !!). Devs have to send new ideas to Lawrence for "Lore Approval". They have even said on ESO Live that they also work with the Bethesda Lore team also...Drakon Koryn~Oryndill, Rogue~Mage,- CP ~Doesn't matter any more
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✭wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »To the OP, AWESOME pic! But yea, a big HELL NO!!!
How so?
Dwemer fantasypunk schemes literally allows them to add anything fantasypunk'ish related to the game. We already have Dwemer spider, just add a few dwemers shperes as wheels and we are good to roll..
Taming an automaton is one thing, making a motorcycle is another thing. This should never ever entre TESO, just like guns should NEVER be in teso. It is far far too lore breaking.
1º Dwemers literally created a gundam (last boss HOF). Also they created inumerous ingenious facilities and automatons, including AIRSHIPS. It's completely credible that they would create a two/four-wheeled-automative-wagon to facilited transportation.
2º The devs decide whats is lore and what's not. Of couse we can personally judge what is plausible and coherent and what's not. But that's our personal opinion not some universal statement.
Actually, no the Devs don't. Lawrence Schick is The Loremaster and the writing team consists of many writers including Zeb Cook (Both Lawrence and Zeb are TSR alumni !!). Devs have to send new ideas to Lawrence for "Lore Approval". They have even said on ESO Live that they also work with the Bethesda Lore team also...
I used "Devs" as methonym. I know that there is a different team and that they work together etc. Tho I really doubt that "lore" prevails when it comes up with gameplay (as in any other game they usually just patch things together and try to make sense to it). Tho I would love to see more see more evidence of that. I really doubt that ZOS waits for "Lore approval" before implementing anything.“Kings of the land and the sky we are; proud gryphons.” Stalker stands, the epitome of pride. Naked and muscular, his wings widen and his feet dig in as if he alone holds down the earth and supports the heavens, keeping the two ever separate.”
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✭The one thing that intrigues me is that is okay that we have a automaton Dragon or a Gundam. It's okay to have huge cities carved into stone and several fantasy-steam-punkish facilities and automatons.
But community totally freaks outs with the slight thought of automative two wheeled Vehicle.
“Kings of the land and the sky we are; proud gryphons.” Stalker stands, the epitome of pride. Naked and muscular, his wings widen and his feet dig in as if he alone holds down the earth and supports the heavens, keeping the two ever separate.”
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✭WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »It's completely credible that they would create a two/four-wheeled-automative-wagon to facilited transportation.
I disagree. The regions Dwemer settlements are most frequently found in are mountainous areas (Skyrim, Vvardenfell) and deserts (Hammerfell) and wheels are more useful over flat, solid terrain. A motorcycle can't climb mountains, will slip on ice and get stuck in snow or sand, where a Spider CAN climb, has multiple legs to protect against slipping, and is more manuverable than a motorcycle (or car, while we're at it) which can't go sideways if it gets stuck. A wheeled design might be fine within the cities themselves, but then it's a much smaller area to transport goods or people and a high speed, long distance wheeled design such as a motorcycle or car would be inefficient for that. Even for transportation between underground cities, I'd think something like a train would be more efficient - ONE massive automata for transporting goods back and forth instead of an army of smaller ones.
So no Dwemer motorcycles.
Your argument is invalid
Dwemers are well know to use wheeled designs on their automatons. Just in case you haven't found any one in game I linked them below.
Edited by Milvan on December 27, 2017 6:17PM“Kings of the land and the sky we are; proud gryphons.” Stalker stands, the epitome of pride. Naked and muscular, his wings widen and his feet dig in as if he alone holds down the earth and supports the heavens, keeping the two ever separate.”
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✭✭✭wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »To the OP, AWESOME pic! But yea, a big HELL NO!!!
How so?
Dwemer fantasypunk schemes literally allows them to add anything fantasypunk'ish related to the game. We already have Dwemer spider, just add a few dwemers shperes as wheels and we are good to roll..
Taming an automaton is one thing, making a motorcycle is another thing. This should never ever entre TESO, just like guns should NEVER be in teso. It is far far too lore breaking.
1º Dwemers literally created a gundam (last boss HOF). Also they created inumerous ingenious facilities and automatons, including AIRSHIPS. It's completely credible that they would create a two/four-wheeled-automative-wagon to facilited transportation.
2º The devs decide whats is lore and what's not. Of couse we can personally judge what is plausible and coherent and what's not. But that's our personal opinion not some universal statement.
Actually, no the Devs don't. Lawrence Schick is The Loremaster and the writing team consists of many writers including Zeb Cook (Both Lawrence and Zeb are TSR alumni !!). Devs have to send new ideas to Lawrence for "Lore Approval". They have even said on ESO Live that they also work with the Bethesda Lore team also...
I used "Devs" as methonym. I know that there is a different team and that they work together etc. Tho I really doubt that "lore" prevails when it comes up with gameplay (as in any other game they usually just patch things together and try to make sense to it). Tho I would love to see more see more evidence of that. I really doubt that ZOS waits for "Lore approval" before implementing anything.
I went and looked this up for you. ( Plus I'm a huge Lawrence fan..lol)..
I apologize if the queing is off, but here is a great episode where he talks about the hows and whos of Lore in ESO..:)
Starts at 1:04:23
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7D0_q6cfhsE&list=PL4tB6flpmULi4KhRolY9a41sIUs1mfrEk&index=23&t=4006s Drakon Koryn~Oryndill, Rogue~Mage,- CP ~Doesn't matter any more
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Ermiq✭✭✭✭✭
✭WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »It's completely credible that they would create a two/four-wheeled-automative-wagon to facilited transportation.
I disagree. The regions Dwemer settlements are most frequently found in are mountainous areas (Skyrim, Vvardenfell) and deserts (Hammerfell) and wheels are more useful over flat, solid terrain. A motorcycle can't climb mountains, will slip on ice and get stuck in snow or sand, where a Spider CAN climb, has multiple legs to protect against slipping, and is more manuverable than a motorcycle (or car, while we're at it) which can't go sideways if it gets stuck. A wheeled design might be fine within the cities themselves, but then it's a much smaller area to transport goods or people and a high speed, long distance wheeled design such as a motorcycle or car would be inefficient for that. Even for transportation between underground cities, I'd think something like a train would be more efficient - ONE massive automata for transporting goods back and forth instead of an army of smaller ones.
So no Dwemer motorcycles.
Your argument is invalid
Dwemers are well know to use wheeled designs on their automatons. Just in case you haven't found any one in game I linked them below.
Those aren't a transporting vehicles. WhiteCoatSyndrome was talking about mounts/transport.One of the two of us definitely has gone mad. It only remains to define whether this one is the whole world or just me.
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Ermiq✭✭✭✭✭
✭The one thing that intrigues me is that is okay that we have a automaton Dragon or a Gundam. It's okay to have huge cities carved into stone and several fantasy-steam-punkish facilities and automatons.
But community totally freaks outs with the slight thought of automative two wheeled Vehicle.
Do you know what's the most important part of fantasy genre? I'll tell you. It's a medieval with magic and -optional- a little bit of steam-punk. A little bit.
When there's more and more of steam-punk, then it becomes steam-punk. It's not a fantasy anymore.
Example.
There's a magic in Dishonored games. Can you say that Dishonored is a fantasy genre? I don't think so. It's a steam-punk with some magic and mistery.
Fantasy game with a steam-punkish mechanisms as rare and quite foreign thing is a fantasy game. Fantasy game with a steam-punkish mashines everywhere is not a fantasy game.
Also, I totally disagree with all these Dwemer stuff in ESO because there's too much of it already. I want ZOS to stop this steam-punkish fever. Don't forget it's a fantasy game and we love this game as a fantasy game. Dwemers aren't here. They are lost and all we should see in the game is some remains of there civilization. Remains, not the mech-spiders as common mounts. I'm sorry, but this is a BS.Edited by Ermiq on December 27, 2017 7:03PMOne of the two of us definitely has gone mad. It only remains to define whether this one is the whole world or just me.
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Iluvrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The one thing that intrigues me is that is okay that we have a automaton Dragon or a Gundam. It's okay to have huge cities carved into stone and several fantasy-steam-punkish facilities and automatons.
But community totally freaks outs with the slight thought of automative two wheeled Vehicle.
It's about degree. How many, of those things that you mentioned, are there in the game?
I'm guessing the answer is somewhere between 1 and "not many". Exceptions to rules sometimes don't break the game by their nature, but by their distribution.
My problem with the mounts like the nightmare courser (and others) has never been their existence. As we've seen, with Arvak and Odahviing, unique fantastical mounts can work. Again, how many of these exist in their respective game worlds?
The problem is that this is an MMO, and as we've seen, every WoW-addled s'wit will want one of these. I now see more "fantastical" mounts than horses, senches and guars... and you want to tip the balance even further?
How about not just "no" but "Dear Azura burn this with fire... no".Edited by Iluvrien on December 28, 2017 2:42AM3 -
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You even get bonus points for putting the Pact Banner on it. I will cry manly tears if I see hordes of those charging the DC and AD Destro Ult farm groups.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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✭✭✭✭Ill only get it if it comes in a tricycle version.Penniless Sellsword CompanyCaptain Paramount - Jorrhaq VhentKorith Eaglecry * Enrerion Aedihle * Laerinel Rhaev * Caius Berilius * Seylina Ithvala * H'Vak the GrimjawlTenarei Rhaev * Dazsh Ro Khar * Yynril Rothvani * Bathes-In-Coin * Anaelle Faerniil * Azjani Ma'LesAban Shahid Bakr * Kheshna gra-Gharbuk * Gallisten Bondurant * Etain Maquier * Atsu Kalame * Faulpia SeverinusWhat is better, to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort? - Paarthurnax1 -
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✭I'll quit without a second thought if they implement any kind motorcycle in this game.VR16 Templar
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teiselaise✭✭✭When I entered mournhold last time as the destroyer of molag Bal, hero of ebonheart, hero of daggerfall bla bla titles, and saw 4 dunmers of same titles, 2 bretons 1 altmer, 1 emperor argonian riding a dwemer bear, 1 naked Nord proposing to a orc in a wedding dress and 3 people inside each other at the wayshrine.
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✭✭teiselaise wrote: »When I entered mournhold last time as the destroyer of molag Bal, hero of ebonheart, hero of daggerfall bla bla titles, and saw 4 dunmers of same titles, 2 bretons 1 altmer, 1 emperor argonian riding a dwemer bear, 1 naked Nord proposing to a orc in a wedding dress and 3 people inside each other at the wayshrine.
Please shut up about lore and give me that thing.
Responses like yours are why we see the things you described in the first place.
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✭✭✭[wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »To the OP, AWESOME pic! But yea, a big HELL NO!!!
How so?
Dwemer fantasypunk schemes literally allows them to add anything fantasypunk'ish related to the game. We already have Dwemer spider, just add a few dwemers shperes as wheels and we are good to roll..
Taming an automaton is one thing, making a motorcycle is another thing. This should never ever entre TESO, just like guns should NEVER be in teso. It is far far too lore breaking.
1º Dwemers literally created a gundam (last boss HOF). Also they created inumerous ingenious facilities and automatons, including AIRSHIPS. It's completely credible that they would create a two/four-wheeled-automative-wagon to facilited transportation.
2º The devs decide whats is lore and what's not. Of couse we can personally judge what is plausible and coherent and what's not. But that's our personal opinion not some universal statement.
Actually, no the Devs don't. Lawrence Schick is The Loremaster and the writing team consists of many writers including Zeb Cook (Both Lawrence and Zeb are TSR alumni !!). Devs have to send new ideas to Lawrence for "Lore Approval". They have even said on ESO Live that they also work with the Bethesda Lore team also...
I used "Devs" as methonym. I know that there is a different team and that they work together etc. Tho I really doubt that "lore" prevails when it comes up with gameplay (as in any other game they usually just patch things together and try to make sense to it). Tho I would love to see more see more evidence of that. I really doubt that ZOS waits for "Lore approval" before implementing anything.
You wanna know how to tell when your favorite television show or movie series or whatever is about to die a slow, painful death?
It's when the people behind it start thinking like what you posted here. The desire to do something cool overrides the desire to do something that actually makes sense and you just end up with cool nonsense. (It's also the reason most movies based on games turn out to be utter crap, FYI.)
Gameplay is not Dwemer motorcycles. Gameplay is getting on a mount that gives you x% movement speed. Lore is what dictates what form that mount can and cannot take."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster...when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you..."3 -
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✭Konstant_Tel_Necris wrote: »Here is your nightmare recorded by Vaermina dreamstrider.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laFpBMTkO4c
OMG... Now I can't sleep at night.One of the two of us definitely has gone mad. It only remains to define whether this one is the whole world or just me.
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Taysa✭✭✭✭✭Blizz thought the same when they made Kung-Fu pandas. Somewhere in that period WoW was dying. Maybe it's just coincidence, but...
You mean those same Kung-Fu Pandas that appeared in Warcraft III, about 10 full years before their appearance in World of Warcraft?5/24/18: The day ZoS suspended my forum account for trolling a troll.0 -
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You mean that fake video with Kung-Fu Panda in Warcraft III?
I've heard that no one who actually played Warcraft III have ever seen a single panda there. Pandas wasn't there, they say. I didn't played Warcraft strategies so I can be wrong, but I believe those players who has played that game. I even saw the video where they analized that panda video and they've made a conclusion that it's a fake.One of the two of us definitely has gone mad. It only remains to define whether this one is the whole world or just me.
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You mean that fake video with Kung-Fu Panda in Warcraft III?
I've heard that no one who actually played Warcraft III have ever seen a single panda there. Pandas wasn't there, they say. I didn't played Warcraft strategies so I can be wrong, but I believe those players who has played that game. I even saw the video where they analized that panda video and they've made a conclusion that it's a fake.
No.
Google is your friend.
Your friends probably didn't play W3 very much.5/24/18: The day ZoS suspended my forum account for trolling a troll.0 -
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You mean that fake video with Kung-Fu Panda in Warcraft III?
I've heard that no one who actually played Warcraft III have ever seen a single panda there. Pandas wasn't there, they say. I didn't played Warcraft strategies so I can be wrong, but I believe those players who has played that game. I even saw the video where they analized that panda video and they've made a conclusion that it's a fake.
i used the pandarian brewmaster hero in warcraft 3 myself. it existed.PLEASE REPLY TO ME WITH @dsalter otherwise i'm likely to miss the reply if its not my own thread
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You mean that fake video with Kung-Fu Panda in Warcraft III?
I've heard that no one who actually played Warcraft III have ever seen a single panda there. Pandas wasn't there, they say. I didn't played Warcraft strategies so I can be wrong, but I believe those players who has played that game. I even saw the video where they analized that panda video and they've made a conclusion that it's a fake.
No.
Google is your friend.
Your friends probably didn't play W3 very much.
Well, ok. Now I know that pandas was an April Fools joke. And then people started to ask devs to make pandas real.
Now I'm really scared. This motorcycle on my pic is a joke. And, oh my God , people already said "Give it to us". After 10 years there will be a person just like you telling a person like me that motorcycles appeared in TES games 10 years ago.
What I've done...Edited by Ermiq on December 28, 2017 4:18PMOne of the two of us definitely has gone mad. It only remains to define whether this one is the whole world or just me.
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✭Yeah I walked away from WoW when they started adding idiotic things like this....I don't see it happening.1 -
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You mean that fake video with Kung-Fu Panda in Warcraft III?
I've heard that no one who actually played Warcraft III have ever seen a single panda there. Pandas wasn't there, they say. I didn't played Warcraft strategies so I can be wrong, but I believe those players who has played that game. I even saw the video where they analized that panda video and they've made a conclusion that it's a fake.
i used the pandarian brewmaster hero in warcraft 3 myself. it existed.
As a person who played Warcraft 3 + expansion MANY times over and over and was a Warcraft addict for some time ( not anymore thank god it turned to crap ) i can say the following things...
NO there wasn't any kind of playable panda in the game...
The panda ONLY appeared ONCE in the game as mostly a Joke from Blizz...
and pretty much this is the entire Original lore of it lol..... everything else you read or hear about it is got added later by devs to bend the lore because they wanted to ad freaking kung fu pandas.....Because they wanted to give something to their [snip] crowd player base that is a good 50% of the actual WoW playerbase lol
Tldr: Blame the Cringy [snip] market....
[Edit for bait.]Edited by ZOS_GregoryV on December 28, 2017 5:36PM1
