Before we complain about eso's performance..

adeptusminor · December 2017

NeKryXe wrote: »

iiYuki wrote: »

I actually followed this guide -

https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/3jjoql/are_you_having_fps_issues_wih_eso_on_a_pc_well/

and I went from barely reaching 40-50 FPS max to averaging 70-90+ FPS and going as high as 100+.

i tried this out of curiosity and i didn't get one single extra frame after it.
i believe that something wrong happened to the game in the last 2 days since it's no longer playable with the settings i was using until last friday.

i only see 2 solutions at this point: reducing all settings to low, or abandon the game and wait for a fix.

anyway, it's not something new, it's quite usual for the game to break during events. in the last year we had similar problems exactly during the same event.

I had that happen to me before where the game went to crap performance wise after a maintenance patch. Somehow a line in my usersettings.txt file got changed from 1 to 0 (SET CachedRLREnabled "1" got set to 0). After changing it back to 1 my performance went back to normal. With a 1080ti and a 4770k overclocked to 4ghz I get up to 100fps, but anytime there are more than a handful of other characters on screen it starts to bottleneck pretty badly to around 40-60. Don't get me started on the awful performance in trials and pvp with sub 20fps and the apparent memory leak that requires me to restart the game every few hours.

Good news is a dev did say that they were working on offloading things from the CPU onto the GPU which would be immensely helpful.

iiYuki · December 2017

NeKryXe wrote: »

iiYuki wrote: »

I actually followed this guide -

https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/3jjoql/are_you_having_fps_issues_wih_eso_on_a_pc_well/

and I went from barely reaching 40-50 FPS max to averaging 70-90+ FPS and going as high as 100+.

i tried this out of curiosity and i didn't get one single extra frame after it.
i believe that something wrong happened to the game in the last 2 days since it's no longer playable with the settings i was using until last friday.

i only see 2 solutions at this point: reducing all settings to low, or abandon the game and wait for a fix.

anyway, it's not something new, it's quite usual for the game to break during events. in the last year we had similar problems exactly during the same event.

I haven't noticed anything recently but I certainly know how awful this game ran before I followed that guide, I could play wow in 4k on Ultra and still hit 50-60fps with draw distance, and shadows turned down, but as soon as I came to this game it just runs like ***. Shame it didn't work for you too.
Im sure you have tried it but have you checked vsync is off, particle suppression is at minimum (35 I think is lowest), and view distance is 50 or lower, (turning my view distance up from 50-100 halfs my FPS instantly).
I also have ambient occlusion off as this massively impacted me by like 10+fps and made the game look a lot brighter and nicer with it off.

Apache_Kid · December 2017

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

But it's been released for 3 and half years and performance has gotten worse instead of better.

Furthermore almost all of my games on steam that are under $10 run great.

The reason it's gotten better is due to the price increase in CS items and the implementation of CC's. More cash from the whales means this game is receiving unprecedented support. Oh wait, you said it gotten worse, which means all those "I like to help fund the game by paying $30 for that $10 mount ..." are null and void.

I'm now confused.

Aaaaaand now we are at my main issue with this game. What are the profit margins of ZoS through the crown store and plus subs? I have a strong feeling that they are not re-investing enough of their revenue from the crown store. Look at the prices on these items and how many people you see with the big houses and crown crate mounts. There is absolutely no way, no reason, no explanation, for the poor performance in this game after almost 4 years with the types of micro-transactions this game has. I guarantee that if we saw the profit margins on this game we would all be disgusted.

Hire more employees pls ZoS. You need them badly.

ssewallb14_ESO · December 2017

I find $10 Indy games to be comparatively very stable and well programmed. They can't really play cash-grab with a giant established IP.

QuebraRegra · December 2017

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Funny. I bought full price for it.

yup.. and there are some "johhny come lately's" who are ignorant that some have invested quite a bit in this game (huge ZOS profits), and expect decent performance. It's not F2P quite yet.

QuebraRegra · December 2017

Draxys wrote: »

Most games on steam also don't have the moniker or money of a triple A title like this one. Don't defend ZOS for this one, they fudged up really bad a long time ago and either don't have the ability to fix it or choose to not spend the money on it, instead reskinning everything possible for all the TES fanatics to buy.

Brutal.. but unfortunately true.

Tandor · December 2017

I've had the odd turkey performance-wise from Steam, but no performance issues with ESO since PC (EU) launch (although I don't use the Steam version). A fairer comparison would be with other MMORPGs, and it runs as smoothly as any for me and better than most.

Cuthceol · December 2017

Goshua wrote: »

..you should know it runs better than most games under $10 on steam.

can we get a refund if we paid more then? ;P

Goshua · December 2017

WasteOfTime wrote: »

Goshua wrote: »

..you should know it runs better than most games under $10 on steam.

can we get a refund if we paid more then? ;P

You can try

@Tandor this is true, I don't play many, it definitely runs better than BDO which is a shame because I prefer its game play, The pvp in that at group level is worse, a mass of name tags and mess of area effects, terrible impact on performance.

NeKryXe · December 2017

iiYuki wrote: »

NeKryXe wrote: »

iiYuki wrote: »

I actually followed this guide -

https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/3jjoql/are_you_having_fps_issues_wih_eso_on_a_pc_well/

and I went from barely reaching 40-50 FPS max to averaging 70-90+ FPS and going as high as 100+.

i tried this out of curiosity and i didn't get one single extra frame after it.
i believe that something wrong happened to the game in the last 2 days since it's no longer playable with the settings i was using until last friday.

i only see 2 solutions at this point: reducing all settings to low, or abandon the game and wait for a fix.

anyway, it's not something new, it's quite usual for the game to break during events. in the last year we had similar problems exactly during the same event.

I haven't noticed anything recently but I certainly know how awful this game ran before I followed that guide, I could play wow in 4k on Ultra and still hit 50-60fps with draw distance, and shadows turned down, but as soon as I came to this game it just runs like ***. Shame it didn't work for you too.
Im sure you have tried it but have you checked vsync is off, particle suppression is at minimum (35 I think is lowest), and view distance is 50 or lower, (turning my view distance up from 50-100 halfs my FPS instantly).
I also have ambient occlusion off as this massively impacted me by like 10+fps and made the game look a lot brighter and nicer with it off.

i always used the particles suppression at minimum and view distance at 35, so, in my case, the drop on FPS must be caused by some incompatibility with some change than happened recently.

anyway i just noticed that something is definitively wrong with the game or with my account at this moment, because after all those changes i did, instead of getting more FPS nothing changed in the game but now the game doesn't even reach 30% of my memory, CPU and GPU. weird. this is really crazy. i'm getting very low frame rate now and the game doesn't even use my hardware.

Rohaus · December 2017

I have seen numerous performance issues due to add-ons. Now, I have a select few that I run that I have tested extensively with no issues.

AUI, LUI are two that I have seen issues with... so before anyone blames ZOS, you ought to first take a look at what addons you are running.

DarkUI performs flawlessly!

rteezy · December 2017

On this topic>>

Will goign form a 10 year old sATA harddrive to a new ssd improve my game quality?

i have an i5 oced to 4 hz, gtx970 and 16 gb ram

i jsut bought the ssd but still need to isntal it and re-isntal everything (not looking forward to it)

CapnPhoton · December 2017

Tandor wrote: »

I've had the odd turkey performance-wise from Steam, but no performance issues with ESO since PC (EU) launch (although I don't use the Steam version). A fairer comparison would be with other MMORPGs, and it runs as smoothly as any for me and better than most.

In 2.5 years I can count the number of times I have had performance issues on one hand and still give you change back, but this is on console. Is this issue happening more on PC? If so, net latency issues can often be solved with a mapping device and ports to MAC address instead of IP. This also helps on consoles. Graphical and frame rate issues often have to do with other programs hogging or even altering video card drivers and settings. Steam takes up a lot more memory and video memory than it should.

disintegr8 · December 2017

It certainly wasn't $10 when I bought it and being on console, outside of the US, I do not know what Steam is (other than something produced by boiling water).

An products price, several years after initial release, has no bearing performance expectations. You must also remember that initially on PC, you had to pay a monthly subscription to even play the game. Some of the problems people complained about then are still present.

Bhaal5 · December 2017

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Bhaal5 wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Bhaal5 wrote: »

If people stopped buying crown until they actually fixed something....
There servers are laughable compared to other mmos.

Dunno 'bout that. SWTOR has some pretty dodgy servers that tend to fall over regularly. Pretty frustrating.

Never had an issue with swtor, only issue ive had there was the pay2win model in having to have the expansions to level pass paywalls. Always ran smooth as it can be considering being in Australia. We notice a bad server pretty quick and are pretty tolerable to server lag. But hiw bad eso is atm is why most oceanics just end up leaving

Best servers ive ever had was guild wars 2 on pc. Serves half a world away and still felt competitive and very rarely suffered lag (even in wvw in a large group of 50+ people on their tier 1 servers) on eso you have a 5v5 and your nearly guaranteed either a DC, a load screen or skill freezing.... Which is a joke

Wow, you must've been gone from SWTOR awhile. The Aussies are raging after the latest server merges, understandably. Also, there were at least two US servers that had a tendency to fizzle out nearly on a nightly basis (this being in the past oh six to eight months).

Really hard for those on those servers.

The ESO servers are light years (heh) better than SWTOR from where I sit. Only time I get disco'd is during our nightly router reset.

Was about 2 and half year from swtor. But frizzle out more than eso?, if i decide to do anything outside of my own guild (dedicated oceanic guild) there is nothing

But only geting dc'd only maintenance? I am, along with my whole guild, jealous of you right now.

But compare eso to what it copied, guild wars 2? Now thats lightyears ahead of eso (server that never goes down and can handle multiple people on on map without coughing and stuttering every where)

NeKryXe · December 2017

rteezy wrote: »

On this topic>>

Will goign form a 10 year old sATA harddrive to a new ssd improve my game quality?

i have an i5 oced to 4 hz, gtx970 and 16 gb ram

i jsut bought the ssd but still need to isntal it and re-isntal everything (not looking forward to it)

unfortunately it doesn't make any difference in this game. i was playing on an old computer with a 10 year old sATA harddrive like you are mentioning, and now i'm on a new computer with the game installed on a Samsung NVMe SSD 960 EVO and i'm still struggling with a lot of frame rate problems. until a few days ago i was able to play above 60 FPS but now i'm back to 30 FPS or less.

zaria · December 2017

Draxys wrote: »

Most games on steam also don't have the moniker or money of a triple A title like this one. Don't defend ZOS for this one, they fudged up really bad a long time ago and either don't have the ability to fix it or choose to not spend the money on it, instead reskinning everything possible for all the TES fanatics to buy.

In short, cheaters forced calculations on to servers, this killed performance.

Now another issue is that game settings tend to be set to high on client.
In zerg vs zerg or some trial trash zergs performance get killed. reducing graphic settings in these areas would help.

This is an fast test if problem is server or client.
Go to al'kir, go to an area with few players to farm or quest, notice frame rate.
Now join the dolmen zerg, if framerate drops this just because your system or you line, server has to do pretty much the same work anyway. (you do and take damage if involved this increase workload 1% or something)

notimetocare · December 2017

Nifty2g wrote: »

Goshua wrote: »

..you should know it runs better than most games under $10 on steam.

Don't know about that, PUBG during beta had less bugs, load screens and crashes than ESO has had.

Do you happen to not remember when ESO had horrific FPS drops and ping spikes?

Pubg is also a vastly different kind of game

Marto · December 2017

ESO performance issues are largely missunderstood.

I've been playing for nearly 3 years, and server performance has only been getting better and better. The last time I saw a rollback happen, was for a few hours when Orsinium came out, when ZOS first made a zone that you could visit regardless of level, so it make sense it was a tad buggy.

The last 3 or so times that ESO was completely impossible to access this year, it was not because of ZOS' servers, but because of nation-wide internet outages and routing issues from Comcast and AT&T.

The performance issues that ESO does have seem to come from how much it relies on the 1st core of your CPU, and how much particles can affect your ping.

Also, I have personally found a lot of issues when using an HDD, rather than an SSD. Gina has also explained to us that the recent endless loading screen bug was caused by a single texture failing to load, because of how the ESO client draws texture data from your files.

The issues are there, bu it's important to understand where the issues come from, rather than just point at ZOS and scream "Game broken please fix"

Doctordarkspawn · December 2017

Tandor wrote: »

I've had the odd turkey performance-wise from Steam, but no performance issues with ESO since PC (EU) launch (although I don't use the Steam version). A fairer comparison would be with other MMORPGs, and it runs as smoothly as any for me and better than most.

Now this is interesting to point out because it seems the NA servers take alot more punishment and fail alot more.

Whether this is due to interest, playercount, or general buggery, I cannot say.

Goshua · December 2017

Marto wrote: »

ESO performance issues are largely missunderstood.

I've been playing for nearly 3 years, and server performance has only been getting better and better. The last time I saw a rollback happen, was for a few hours when Orsinium came out, when ZOS first made a zone that you could visit regardless of level, so it make sense it was a tad buggy.

The last 3 or so times that ESO was completely impossible to access this year, it was not because of ZOS' servers, but because of nation-wide internet outages and routing issues from Comcast and AT&T.

The performance issues that ESO does have seem to come from how much it relies on the 1st core of your CPU, and how much particles can affect your ping.

Also, I have personally found a lot of issues when using an HDD, rather than an SSD. Gina has also explained to us that the recent endless loading screen bug was caused by a single texture failing to load, because of how the ESO client draws texture data from your files.

The issues are there, bu it's important to understand where the issues come from, rather than just point at ZOS and scream "Game broken please fix"

I agree it has got better, there are so many variables in the mix so it's probably hard to say this that or the other has improved.
I mean its still unplayable in some situations overall though it feels more consistant/stable.

Belegnole · December 2017

@Marto So, your take on it is that crappy programming is causing the issues. Not peoples computers...

I think most already knew that....

Irfind · December 2017

rteezy wrote: »

On this topic>>

Will goign form a 10 year old sATA harddrive to a new ssd improve my game quality?

i have an i5 oced to 4 hz, gtx970 and 16 gb ram

i jsut bought the ssd but still need to isntal it and re-isntal everything (not looking forward to it)

Hm sry ESO dont know what a SSD is, but your other games will realize it

Azurya · December 2017

I don´t complain anymore

I turn off

Goshua · December 2017

Azurya wrote: »

I don´t complain anymore

I turn off

Me too (edit: I still complain). I do a dungeon its 10fps. I pvp its this zerg or that zerg or our zerg.

Addictive, i just need a better dealer

Jade1986 · December 2017

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Bhaal5 wrote: »

If people stopped buying crown until they actually fixed something....
There servers are laughable compared to other mmos.

Dunno 'bout that. SWTOR has some pretty dodgy servers that tend to fall over regularly. Pretty frustrating.

They have recently made performance increases and upgraded their hardware considerably. That is exactly what zos needs to do.

Jade1986 · December 2017

KingYogi415 wrote: »

The average Internet speed in America is 18.75mbs.

Factor in 4 people sharing that over WiFi, and it's not hard to imagine why people have bad fps...

1 have a 1 gig fiber optic connection, and the framerate / latency is still quite questionable even living right next to their datacenters. There needs to be an overhaul of their datacenters and software. As is the performance is dropping each update atm.And the only addon i use is AUI, that directly effects my ui that is, and even that the only thing that is active on it is the quickbar expander. That is it.

Nifty2g · December 2017

notimetocare wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Goshua wrote: »

..you should know it runs better than most games under $10 on steam.

Don't know about that, PUBG during beta had less bugs, load screens and crashes than ESO has had.

Do you happen to not remember when ESO had horrific FPS drops and ping spikes?

Pubg is also a vastly different kind of game

So are most games on steam for <$10.

Apache_Kid · December 2017

Rohaus wrote: »

I have seen numerous performance issues due to add-ons. Now, I have a select few that I run that I have tested extensively with no issues.

AUI, LUI are two that I have seen issues with... so before anyone blames ZOS, you ought to first take a look at what addons you are running.

DarkUI performs flawlessly!

So what about those of us on console who have poor performance and the inability to run add-ons? Can i blame ZoS?

Apache_Kid · December 2017

Marto wrote: »

ESO performance issues are largely missunderstood.

I've been playing for nearly 3 years, and server performance has only been getting better and better. The last time I saw a rollback happen, was for a few hours when Orsinium came out, when ZOS first made a zone that you could visit regardless of level, so it make sense it was a tad buggy.

The last 3 or so times that ESO was completely impossible to access this year, it was not because of ZOS' servers, but because of nation-wide internet outages and routing issues from Comcast and AT&T.

The performance issues that ESO does have seem to come from how much it relies on the 1st core of your CPU, and how much particles can affect your ping.

Also, I have personally found a lot of issues when using an HDD, rather than an SSD. Gina has also explained to us that the recent endless loading screen bug was caused by a single texture failing to load, because of how the ESO client draws texture data from your files.

The issues are there, bu it's important to understand where the issues come from, rather than just point at ZOS and scream "Game broken please fix"

There was literally a roll-back on consoles like 3 weeks ago for the load-screen issue. And that took 4 full weeks to implement.

The last 3 or so times that ESO was completely inaccessible, all my other games worked fine. I test multiple games every time ESO doesn't work and the majority of the time, ESO is the only one not working.

Performance has gotten worse since i started playing the game on Xbox. The only thing that has increased my performance is buying an SSD and putting ESO on there. But guess what? My Xbox STILL makes the stuttering error and then crashes me to the dashboard frequently and more frequently in DLC areas.

Upon discussion with many people at Xbox support, they confirmed that this means there is a CODING issue that caused my console to crash to the dashboard. ESO is the only game I have ever played that this has happened to me more than 10 times. Playing ESO, it has happened in the high-hundreds, maybe even 1000 times.

I know where my issues are coming from, don't come in here and pretend like those of us with glaring performance issues on this game haven't investigated what is causing this. So pardon me if i continue to demand that ZoS fix the game.