90% KB is Endless Fury.

raviour · December 2017

90% of my killing blows on recap are Endless Fury spams. Sorcs are running 80k HP shields.Zenimax however decide to nerf Chrsytal Fragments for no apparent reason. Subsequently many leave the game because they were worried about the devs thought processes.

Look before you leap Zeni, it was never frags that made sorcs ridiculously OP. It was you pandering to whingey scrub sorcs on forum complaining about their 20>6sec ward (nerf?) that made sorcs OP, what self respecting sorc needs a 20 sec ward anyway?

Voxicity · December 2017

This man deserves all the insightfuls

raviour · December 2017

Nerf hardened ward, curse and fury just a bit, re-buff frags then all is cool, doesn't take a genius.

Sheezabeast · December 2017

Ch4mpTW · December 2017

raviour wrote: »

Nerf hardened ward, curse and fury just a bit, re-buff frags then all is cool, doesn't take a genius.

If ZOS does that, they’d be hurting PvE yet again. And all because they refuse to seperately balance things in PvE and PvP. And unfortunately, it’s because of things overperforming from a PvP perspective that PvE takes these hard blows. Sure a dev can say how it wasn’t because of the myriad of complaints people have made from their experiences within a PvP environment, but anyone with common sense knows otherwise.

Proof...?

Stamina regeneration while blocking.
Shield/Ward duration.
DK’s as a whole (especially DK wings).
Proc sets.
MagPlars as a whole.
Etc.

firedrgn · December 2017

Wait what? 80k shields ? Thats stacked right?

gepe87 · December 2017

Nerf Shadow Disguise, nerf Dragon Leap, nerf BoL, nerf Cliff Racer.

Betsararie · December 2017

raviour wrote: »

Nerf hardened ward, curse and fury just a bit, re-buff frags then all is cool, doesn't take a genius.

Really really comical. I hope this is a joke

Denyiir · December 2017

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

raviour wrote: »

Nerf hardened ward, curse and fury just a bit, re-buff frags then all is cool, doesn't take a genius.

If ZOS does that, they’d be hurting PvE yet again. And all because they refuse to seperately balance things in PvE and PvP. And unfortunately, it’s because of things overperforming from a PvP perspective that PvE takes these hard blows. Sure a dev can say how it wasn’t because of the myriad of complaints people have made from their experiences within a PvP environment, but anyone with common sense knows otherwise.

Proof...?

Stamina regeneration while blocking.
Shield/Ward duration.
DK’s as a whole (especially DK wings).
Proc sets.
MagPlars as a whole.
Etc.

And yet people can still basically perma block, shields are still op, DK is best dps and tank in game, Magplars are best healers, and proc sets shouldn't ever be created in the first place...

Little tuning wouldn't hurt PvE much really.

gepe87 · December 2017

Comical are those sorc nerf requests...I don't have any problem with those abilities.

Emma_Overload · December 2017

Just in case OP isn't joking...

NOPE.

Sorcs aren't running 80K shield stacks, because if they were, EVERYONE would be playing a Sorc!

Calboy · December 2017

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

raviour wrote: »

Nerf hardened ward, curse and fury just a bit, re-buff frags then all is cool, doesn't take a genius.

If ZOS does that, they’d be hurting PvE yet again. And all because they refuse to seperately balance things in PvE and PvP. And unfortunately, it’s because of things overperforming from a PvP perspective that PvE takes these hard blows. Sure a dev can say how it wasn’t because of the myriad of complaints people have made from their experiences within a PvP environment, but anyone with common sense knows otherwise.

Proof...?

Stamina regeneration while blocking.
Shield/Ward duration.
DK’s as a whole (especially DK wings).
Proc sets.
MagPlars as a whole.
Etc.

LOL if you think no stamina regen was purely aimed at pvp.

Ch4mpTW · December 2017

Denyiir wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

raviour wrote: »

Nerf hardened ward, curse and fury just a bit, re-buff frags then all is cool, doesn't take a genius.

If ZOS does that, they’d be hurting PvE yet again. And all because they refuse to seperately balance things in PvE and PvP. And unfortunately, it’s because of things overperforming from a PvP perspective that PvE takes these hard blows. Sure a dev can say how it wasn’t because of the myriad of complaints people have made from their experiences within a PvP environment, but anyone with common sense knows otherwise.

Proof...?

Stamina regeneration while blocking.
Shield/Ward duration.
DK’s as a whole (especially DK wings).
Proc sets.
MagPlars as a whole.
Etc.

And yet people can still basically perma block, shields are still op, DK is best dps in game, Magplars are best healers, and proc sets shouldn't ever be created in the first place...

@Denyiir Dragonknights are the best damage dealers in the game...? Really? Do you really mean that, and believe that? Or are you just baiting and trolling? Because when you have classes like Nightblades and Sorcerers that exist, I truly have to question your validity and logic. I can’t think of a time when Dragonknights were ever the best damage dealers in ESO. Especially when their burst is average (even more so from a magicka perspective), and they lack an execute outside of weapon skills. And even then, only stamina variants have access to executes. Lol.

MakoFore · December 2017

sorcs arent op in the game- its just how kb s are scored, kills should be given to who gives the most damage 10 seconds from a death , not who gets the final hit- cos that will always be the sorc who puts a fury curse on someone. easiest way to half the titles in pvp in the game is sorc- for that very reason.

Vahrokh · December 2017

These threads make me lose all hope in human kind.

Especially when ZoS actually believes them and kills a whole class for months.

Acrolas · December 2017

Implosion has a 6% chance to take effect as an execute. So maybe don't engage 20 sorcerers at a time or else somebody's going to get lucky and it's not you.

Neoauspex · December 2017

Can't nerf Sorcs, that's like having the protagonist fail

gepe87 · December 2017

Acrolas wrote: »

Implosion has a 6% chance to take effect as an execute. So maybe don't engage 20 sorcerers at a time or else somebody's going to get lucky and it's not you.

Let us pray that we, sorcerers, will not form a big guild and melt PvP areas.

The_Brosteen · December 2017

Sorcs have 80k shields?

The_Brosteen · December 2017

This has to be a troll thread lol.

But, just in case, when they announced the frag nerf there were lots of people saying "ahh rip mag sorc in pvp", and I was all like bruuuuh people will still complain and say sorcs still need to be nerfed whether it be more or just in other ways. This is what, the 4th time in the games history this cycle has happened? It's safe to say that eventually sorcs will recieve another nerf, sorc users will be upset about it and then a month later someone's gonna post a serious nerf sorcs thread.

The circle of life continues.

The_Brosteen · December 2017

gepe87 wrote: »

Acrolas wrote: »

Implosion has a 6% chance to take effect as an execute. So maybe don't engage 20 sorcerers at a time or else somebody's going to get lucky and it's not you.

Let us pray that we, sorcerers, will not form a big guild and melt PvP areas.

I can see it now,

"Sorc Team Six"

30 sorcs just spamming mages wrath on the same player one after another.

WreckfulAbandon · December 2017

80k shields? Sign me up!

Also, L2P

TheUndeadAmulet · December 2017

At this point we might as well nerf everything so we hit for 1 damage and get instakilled if we use a shield or heal.

Slick_007 · December 2017

raviour wrote: »

Zenimax however decide to nerf Chrsytal Fragments for no apparent reason. Subsequently many leave the game because they were worried about the devs thought processes.

thanks. i needed a laugh

Denyiir · December 2017

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Denyiir wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

raviour wrote: »

Nerf hardened ward, curse and fury just a bit, re-buff frags then all is cool, doesn't take a genius.

If ZOS does that, they’d be hurting PvE yet again. And all because they refuse to seperately balance things in PvE and PvP. And unfortunately, it’s because of things overperforming from a PvP perspective that PvE takes these hard blows. Sure a dev can say how it wasn’t because of the myriad of complaints people have made from their experiences within a PvP environment, but anyone with common sense knows otherwise.

Proof...?

Stamina regeneration while blocking.
Shield/Ward duration.
DK’s as a whole (especially DK wings).
Proc sets.
MagPlars as a whole.
Etc.

And yet people can still basically perma block, shields are still op, DK is best dps in game, Magplars are best healers, and proc sets shouldn't ever be created in the first place...

@Denyiir Dragonknights are the best damage dealers in the game...? Really? Do you really mean that, and believe that? Or are you just baiting and trolling? Because when you have classes like Nightblades and Sorcerers that exist, I truly have to question your validity and logic. I can’t think of a time when Dragonknights were ever the best damage dealers in ESO. Especially when their burst is average (even more so from a magicka perspective), and they lack an execute outside of weapon skills. And even then, only stamina variants have access to executes. Lol.

You do realize stam dk can pull 65k+ dps right now, right? Yeah, lol...

https://youtu.be/al3Kd2z4Up0

Conduit0 · December 2017

Forget about the OP, this thread is now about discussing how a sorc would even go about achieving an 80k shield stack.

Would Hardened Ward, Harness Magicka, Bone Shield, and Barrier be enough?

kargen27 · December 2017

Calboy wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

raviour wrote: »

Nerf hardened ward, curse and fury just a bit, re-buff frags then all is cool, doesn't take a genius.

If ZOS does that, they’d be hurting PvE yet again. And all because they refuse to seperately balance things in PvE and PvP. And unfortunately, it’s because of things overperforming from a PvP perspective that PvE takes these hard blows. Sure a dev can say how it wasn’t because of the myriad of complaints people have made from their experiences within a PvP environment, but anyone with common sense knows otherwise.

Proof...?

Stamina regeneration while blocking.
Shield/Ward duration.
DK’s as a whole (especially DK wings).
Proc sets.
MagPlars as a whole.
Etc.

LOL if you think no stamina regen was purely aimed at pvp.

Yeah that one came about because people were beating vet stuff solo and groups were beating vet hard mode almost as soon as the content was released.

itscompton · December 2017

firedrgn wrote: »

Wait what? 80k shields ? Thats stacked right?

Nobody is getting anywhere even remotely close to that number in PvE, let alone PvP. My Sorc has 51.6K max magic, 24% in Bastion, is wearing 7 light and Hardened absorbs 15K and Dampen 14K in PvP.

Lord-Otto · December 2017

Wrong forum, way off numbers, asking for a sorc nerf - not Warden...
I know it's Chris'mas and all, but maaan... xD
I wanted to post an insult regarding OP's player skill here, but in the spirit of the season, I'll refrain from it.

zyk · December 2017

All class balance issues aside, A proc execute is idiotic. The same goes for implosion.

Juhasow · December 2017

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

raviour wrote: »

Nerf hardened ward, curse and fury just a bit, re-buff frags then all is cool, doesn't take a genius.

If ZOS does that, they’d be hurting PvE yet again. And all because they refuse to seperately balance things in PvE and PvP. And unfortunately, it’s because of things overperforming from a PvP perspective that PvE takes these hard blows. Sure a dev can say how it wasn’t because of the myriad of complaints people have made from their experiences within a PvP environment, but anyone with common sense knows otherwise.

Proof...?

Stamina regeneration while blocking.
Shield/Ward duration.
DK’s as a whole (especially DK wings).
Proc sets.
MagPlars as a whole.
Etc.

Not true. Endless fury , hardened ward and haunting curse can get nerfs that would not touch PvE at all. For example take away 4 seconds delay from endless fury but increase execute range to 25% (that would be actually a buff in PvE) , make haunting curse still exploding 2 times but with 1st explosion after 6 seconds and give hardened ward 15% buff instead of 33% but 1-2 seconds longer shield duration.

About second thing tbh proofs You mentioned were sometimes overperforming in PvE also.

Stamina recovery while blocking maded PvE tanks after 1.6 brainless beings that could put down brick on their LMB and go to make some tea.

20 seconds shield duration created gap between stamina and magicka DD's survivality since magicka ones could have 100% uptime of shields without sacrificing much resources or time when at the time stamina DD's survivality wasnt that strong.

Proc sets that could crit especially in PvE enviroment created gap between those who had then and those who hadnt and there were some sets that could do 6k+ DPS in trial enviroment.

Current magplar problem in PvE as DD is fact that jabs and radiant are not scaling their percentage increases properly and also fact it's harder to play with DW after Morrowind changes. There was similar problem with nb execute after Morrowind expansion and Zenimax fixed it but failed to do the same with magplars. There was a time before Morrowind when magplars were one of the top DD's. Eric Wroble already said they're going to fix jabs and radiant in next update.