So I created a very different Sorc...

Lord-Otto · December 2017

Btw, Blob, last time you put up your Red Mountain build for BGs, I bought a couple very cheap staves and sold them for a fortune. Even got messages confirming that the demand was a reaction to your vid.
I owe you a drink!
;3

Betsararie · December 2017

I think it looks pretty good actually....

ak_pvp · December 2017

Pretty solid, unless you see a DK with miats.

Alcast · December 2017

lmao you almost got me yday but shimmering shield saved my ***

Poor other dude next to me RIPed tho lol

Blobsky · December 2017

Alcast wrote: »

lmao you almost got me yday but shimmering shield saved my *** Poor other dude next to me RIPed tho lol

Lmao I did notice it was you

Btw I am working on an Xmas masterpiece for you, a small hint on your twitter

Drummerx04 · December 2017

Yeah, this kind of build is nothing new. I'm sure you and @Lord_Hev could have a fun conversation about that. The only difference of consequence between your build and his is the CWC change going from frags to blast to keep the stun, and maybe a slightly different CP layout (not sure, it's been a while since I watched this video)

Every time QAM releases a video about this magsorc Cyrodiil has an influx of easy-to-kill overload magsorcs, so thanks for continuing his legacy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWvNMktdTOo

olsborg · December 2017

Blobsky wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Your CP placement is really different, does it make or break the build?

No, but I can promise that any change of blue CP will result in less damage

Fun to watch for sure bud. Btw wouldnt staff expert cp give overload more dmg ? @Blobsky

Blobsky · December 2017

olsborg wrote: »

Blobsky wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Your CP placement is really different, does it make or break the build?

No, but I can promise that any change of blue CP will result in less damage

Fun to watch for sure bud. Btw wouldnt staff expert cp give overload more dmg ? @Blobsky

No

Blobsky · December 2017

Drummerx04 wrote: »

Yeah, this kind of build is nothing new. I'm sure you and @Lord_Hev could have a fun conversation about that. The only difference of consequence between your build and his is the CWC change going from frags to blast to keep the stun, and maybe a slightly different CP layout (not sure, it's been a while since I watched this video)

Every time QAM releases a video about this magsorc Cyrodiil has an influx of easy-to-kill overload magsorcs, so thanks for continuing his legacy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWvNMktdTOo

I'm confused - Of course other players have used overload, but there are literally hundreds of differences between these 2 builds

This is literally like saying 'You used desert rose AND you play on a magdk?! Wow you coped me omg

Drummerx04 · December 2017

Blobsky wrote: »

Drummerx04 wrote: »

Yeah, this kind of build is nothing new. I'm sure you and @Lord_Hev could have a fun conversation about that. The only difference of consequence between your build and his is the CWC change going from frags to blast to keep the stun, and maybe a slightly different CP layout (not sure, it's been a while since I watched this video)

Every time QAM releases a video about this magsorc Cyrodiil has an influx of easy-to-kill overload magsorcs, so thanks for continuing his legacy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWvNMktdTOo

I'm confused - Of course other players have used overload, but there are literally hundreds of differences between these 2 builds

This is literally like saying 'You used desert rose AND you play on a magdk?! Wow you coped me omg

You have a destro back bar with mag drain enchant
He slots two 1 piece mag pieces while you slot slimecraw
You replaced healing ward with pet as a consequence of 1
You swapped frags and blast as a result of CWC stun removal
Your CP is different, I checked. But still mostly MAA, EE, Elf
A few other bar changes that map out to "recover mag while waiting for more overload"
You can buff spell damage from stealth
His build is intended more as a 1vX build (which hits pretty much equally hard from stealth except he can add a fury into the gank combo to hit 3 skills at the same time), while yours is pointedly intended as a gank build.

You titled this thread as "So I created a very different sorc"

This is literally me saying, "You used Elegant and spinners on a magsorc AND the primary kill method is to empower with magelight and then animation cancel a frag with an overload light attack"

But I guess I can see why you'd get upset, I'll let you list the other 92+ differences as a defense.

Blobsky · December 2017

Drummerx04 wrote: »

Blobsky wrote: »

Drummerx04 wrote: »

Yeah, this kind of build is nothing new. I'm sure you and @Lord_Hev could have a fun conversation about that. The only difference of consequence between your build and his is the CWC change going from frags to blast to keep the stun, and maybe a slightly different CP layout (not sure, it's been a while since I watched this video)

Every time QAM releases a video about this magsorc Cyrodiil has an influx of easy-to-kill overload magsorcs, so thanks for continuing his legacy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWvNMktdTOo

I'm confused - Of course other players have used overload, but there are literally hundreds of differences between these 2 builds

This is literally like saying 'You used desert rose AND you play on a magdk?! Wow you coped me omg

You have a destro back bar with mag drain enchant

He slots two 1 piece mag pieces while you slot slimecraw

You replaced healing ward with pet as a consequence of 1

You swapped frags and blast as a result of CWC stun removal

Your CP is different, I checked. But still mostly MAA, EE, Elf

A few other bar changes that map out to "recover mag while waiting for more overload"

You can buff spell damage from stealth

His build is intended more as a 1vX build (which hits pretty much equally hard from stealth except he can add a fury into the gank combo to hit 3 skills at the same time), while yours is pointedly intended as a gank build.

You titled this thread as "So I created a very different sorc"

This is literally me saying, "You used Elegant and spinners on a magsorc AND the primary kill method is to empower with magelight and then animation cancel a frag with an overload light attack"

But I guess I can see why you'd get upset, I'll let you list the other 92+ differences as a defense.

Actually I couldnt give the slightest care about 'defence' - there are 4 classes and each class has 10 ability slots with 15 unique magicka abilities. The likelihood of some overlap is enormous.

Since this seems to be a world-ending issue for you...

CP: The cp is NOT only 'stacking' maa, every single tree is completely different. Actually, i can't see any tree that is even 'close' to the same. I should note here, that I am CERTAIN my cp is minmaxed. I don't actually care, but since you seem to, you can count how many differences that is yourself

Gear: Slimecraw is a 3% damage increase (Thus only 2/3 sets are the same, and I can guarantee pretty much everybody overlaps somebody here)
Destro opens 'real' pressure outside of the gank
Ele drain means the build actually sustains
Skillbar: I only see 3 skills that are even the same, so thats another 7
Overload bar: 2 different skills based on stats shown (Count that as another 2)
His Trait layout on large piece costs 2% damage
Master resto staff is entirely useless, why anyone would put that there is beyond me. Master destro cheapens skill costs allowing real sustain
His mundus is 'the thief' - that is around a 5-6% damage loss on an 'average' burst currently
He is not a vamp, costing all stealth chances
His potion choices are 3 more differences
His backbar ultimate is 'used' - which is a waste of the mainbar ultimate
He talks about 'martial knowledge' being a beneficial set against light and medium targets - this is not true, even with a squishy target, spinners will still give full benefit of 5.3% damage increase, vs the 5% MK gives (Since it buffs 1/2 abilities cast in the burst, assuming his entropy doesn't entirely waste that chance). (See next comment for more)
His consideration of MK vs the use of 'Crystal blast' (Far superior skill for this build as mentioned in my build video) means that he would only actually get 3.3% damage benefit from MK, costing him a total of 6% burst damage
Netch is worse in every scenario
Execute is a waste, as overload guarantees an execute in the same cast phase.

I mean the list could go on, but that is around 40-50 changes including cp, skills etc etc. My point is, people will ALWAYS have an overlap. Hell, I can't think of ANY person who doesnt have some overlap to another guy (If they did, they would literally never kill anyone, because they would be missing top tier sets/skills).

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coop500 · December 2017

Don't nerf sorcs, buff other classes so we don't suck

ParaNostram · December 2017

Blobsky wrote: »

Alpheu5 wrote: »

@LadyLavina

Overload gank builds have been a thing for a looooong time on NA.

This is more than just 'overload'

Don't worry OP, people always react this way to anything sorcs do. Kids who don't remember the dark days of sorcs getting group kicked in PvE and only kept for negate in PvP.

badmojo · December 2017

I thought it was funny how you put "The answer to Zergs" in your video and then proceeded to show only 1v1 ganking clips.

Verbal_Earthworm · December 2017

Nothing to see here, move along home...

Drummerx04 · December 2017

Blobsky wrote: »

Drummerx04 wrote: »

Blobsky wrote: »

Drummerx04 wrote: »

Yeah, this kind of build is nothing new. I'm sure you and @Lord_Hev could have a fun conversation about that. The only difference of consequence between your build and his is the CWC change going from frags to blast to keep the stun, and maybe a slightly different CP layout (not sure, it's been a while since I watched this video)

Every time QAM releases a video about this magsorc Cyrodiil has an influx of easy-to-kill overload magsorcs, so thanks for continuing his legacy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWvNMktdTOo

I'm confused - Of course other players have used overload, but there are literally hundreds of differences between these 2 builds

This is literally like saying 'You used desert rose AND you play on a magdk?! Wow you coped me omg

You have a destro back bar with mag drain enchant

He slots two 1 piece mag pieces while you slot slimecraw

You replaced healing ward with pet as a consequence of 1

You swapped frags and blast as a result of CWC stun removal

Your CP is different, I checked. But still mostly MAA, EE, Elf

A few other bar changes that map out to "recover mag while waiting for more overload"

You can buff spell damage from stealth

His build is intended more as a 1vX build (which hits pretty much equally hard from stealth except he can add a fury into the gank combo to hit 3 skills at the same time), while yours is pointedly intended as a gank build.

You titled this thread as "So I created a very different sorc"

This is literally me saying, "You used Elegant and spinners on a magsorc AND the primary kill method is to empower with magelight and then animation cancel a frag with an overload light attack"

But I guess I can see why you'd get upset, I'll let you list the other 92+ differences as a defense.

Actually I couldnt give the slightest care about 'defence' - there are 4 classes and each class has 10 ability slots with 15 unique magicka abilities. The likelihood of some overlap is enormous.

Since this seems to be a world-ending issue for you...

CP: The cp is NOT only 'stacking' maa, every single tree is completely different. Actually, i can't see any tree that is even 'close' to the same. I should note here, that I am CERTAIN my cp is minmaxed. I don't actually care, but since you seem to, you can count how many differences that is yourself

Gear: Slimecraw is a 3% damage increase (Thus only 2/3 sets are the same, and I can guarantee pretty much everybody overlaps somebody here)
Destro opens 'real' pressure outside of the gank
Ele drain means the build actually sustains
Skillbar: I only see 3 skills that are even the same, so thats another 7
Overload bar: 2 different skills based on stats shown (Count that as another 2)
His Trait layout on large piece costs 2% damage
Master resto staff is entirely useless, why anyone would put that there is beyond me. Master destro cheapens skill costs allowing real sustain
His mundus is 'the thief' - that is around a 5-6% damage loss on an 'average' burst currently
He is not a vamp, costing all stealth chances
His potion choices are 3 more differences
His backbar ultimate is 'used' - which is a waste of the mainbar ultimate
He talks about 'martial knowledge' being a beneficial set against light and medium targets - this is not true, even with a squishy target, spinners will still give full benefit of 5.3% damage increase, vs the 5% MK gives (Since it buffs 1/2 abilities cast in the burst, assuming his entropy doesn't entirely waste that chance). (See next comment for more)
His consideration of MK vs the use of 'Crystal blast' (Far superior skill for this build as mentioned in my build video) means that he would only actually get 3.3% damage benefit from MK, costing him a total of 6% burst damage
Netch is worse in every scenario
Execute is a waste, as overload guarantees an execute in the same cast phase.

I mean the list could go on, but that is around 40-50 changes including cp, skills etc etc. My point is, people will ALWAYS have an overlap. Hell, I can't think of ANY person who doesnt have some overlap to another guy (If they did, they would literally never kill anyone, because they would be missing top tier sets/skills).

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Well clearly you care enough to have gone through quite a bit of mathematical optimization and then list a bunch of them as if you have somehow unlocked the secrets to using an overload build.

The entire point QAM made in the build video is: "Yeah, so this build is pretty broken. I could probably squeeze out more damage, but there's really no point. By the way, here are a few alternative sets you could probably slot to a similar result."

But to answer a few points, his build video was posted in Morrowind:

Master resto still gave a magicka boost which strengthened all of his shields, master destro wasn't really any good.
Not sure why you go over MK (a set mentioned in passing) vs cblast... he used crystal frag which still had a stun back then, so unless your build magickally AoE ganks a raid, the main difference is nominal splash damage at best.
Sure 7 skill differences. Main damage combo still centered around animation canceling frags with overload. I covered that.
Using the back bar ultimate... that's more of an option. In practice it was pretty much only used as a last resort.
I think we agree on better mundus options, but again, in practice in cyrodiil it didn't matter much.
I'm attention seeking? You post a PvP build video in the General Discussion section for visibility and try to take credit for a very different sorc build, and everything out of you mouth was effectively, "Trust me on this, I min/maxed. Nothing else is better despite what you may think (15:06)." Okay, dude.

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idk · December 2017

Watched the first minute plus of the second video. Nothing much to see. 1v1 and 1v2 was about it and mostly ganking, not saying ganking is wrong.

Once out of the 500 ult then the build looses much. No sustain. Burn ult then have to find something to regen it back. Overload builds became much weaker when they nerfed it via reducing max ult to 500.

It is really irrelevant what one can do with overload with ult available. What is relevant is what the build can do after the ult runs out. I did not see that in the video so the build is questionable. I prefer a build that works with or without ultimate being available.

coop500 · December 2017

idk wrote: »

Watched the first minute plus of the second video. Nothing much to see. 1v1 and 1v2 was about it and mostly ganking, not saying ganking is wrong.

Once out of the 500 ult then the build looses much. No sustain. Burn ult then have to find something to regen it back. Overload builds became much weaker when they nerfed it via reducing max ult to 500.

And people say ganking is just a nightblade thing.

LordSemaj · December 2017

Blob, did you happen to gank Lilith Arujo with this build? Maybe repeatedly?

idk · December 2017

coop500 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Watched the first minute plus of the second video. Nothing much to see. 1v1 and 1v2 was about it and mostly ganking, not saying ganking is wrong.

Once out of the 500 ult then the build looses much. No sustain. Burn ult then have to find something to regen it back. Overload builds became much weaker when they nerfed it via reducing max ult to 500.

And people say ganking is just a nightblade thing.

At least NB ganking can be sustained. OPs build is not very sustainable.

coop500 · December 2017

idk wrote: »

coop500 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Watched the first minute plus of the second video. Nothing much to see. 1v1 and 1v2 was about it and mostly ganking, not saying ganking is wrong.

Once out of the 500 ult then the build looses much. No sustain. Burn ult then have to find something to regen it back. Overload builds became much weaker when they nerfed it via reducing max ult to 500.

And people say ganking is just a nightblade thing.

At least NB ganking can be sustained. OPs build is not very sustainable.

Good, ganking is a toxic gameplay meant to merely grief people.

idk · December 2017

coop500 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

coop500 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Watched the first minute plus of the second video. Nothing much to see. 1v1 and 1v2 was about it and mostly ganking, not saying ganking is wrong.

Once out of the 500 ult then the build looses much. No sustain. Burn ult then have to find something to regen it back. Overload builds became much weaker when they nerfed it via reducing max ult to 500.

And people say ganking is just a nightblade thing.

At least NB ganking can be sustained. OPs build is not very sustainable.

Good, ganking is a toxic gameplay meant to merely grief people.

Or keep players on their toes vs lazily traveling between keeps as though they are not in a PvP zone. But this is not the topic of this thread.

Dracane · December 2017

Overload has been bashed since 1.6 (when it was made relevant) and it has never been nerfed.
They reduced max ult from 1000 to 500, which obviously was meant to nerf Overload. But the skill itself was left alone.

It's safe to assume, that you can do what you wanna, it will stay as it is. Sadly

The_Brosteen · December 2017

I can't wait for all the sheep to try this just like they tried that crappy red mountain build

Waffennacht · December 2017

If I were to make an Overload build...

Axiom definitely, Elegant? + Slimecraw?

Why don't you see more? Well in BGs it's cuz Defensive posture, Shield Wall, Wings are usually the reason

ParaNostram · December 2017

Waffennacht wrote: »

If I were to make an Overload build...

Axiom definitely, Elegant? + Slimecraw?

Why don't you see more? Well in BGs it's cuz Defensive posture, Shield Wall, Wings are usually the reason

Axiom is an interesting and bold choice especially for a sorc. I'm curious what you would do with it.

DDuke · December 2017

...and people make fun of Crystal Blast

Cast time (and longer travel time) can be such a benefit to a skill.

It's a shame this is still impacted by Miat's, but hopefully they'll fix that problem in the next update.

Btw Blobs, did you try this with Vicious Death (could swap Spinners for it)?

It could turn this into a long range bomb build as there seems to be more than enough damage to guarantee one target dies, and Crystal Blast actually deals some pretty good AoE damage as well.

Drummerx04 · December 2017

LordSemaj wrote: »

Blob, did you happen to gank Lilith Arujo with this build? Maybe repeatedly?

No, I'm pretty sure he's EU. I've been killed by strong overload attacks before (13k+), but usually it's from the middle of an Xv1. I'm being hard on him mostly because I find the title disagreeable, and the tone in his videos is pretty condescending.

He's touting his build as basically new and fresh, but it's been done before by other sorcs and copied dozens of times on just PC/NA.

"My build is different and new because the traits are different, I'm wearing slimecraw, I'm a vampire, and my CP is allocated a little different," just doesn't warrant such a smug attitude imo.

The_Brosteen · December 2017

Drummerx04 wrote: »

LordSemaj wrote: »

Blob, did you happen to gank Lilith Arujo with this build? Maybe repeatedly?

No, I'm pretty sure he's EU. I've been killed by strong overload attacks before (13k+), but usually it's from the middle of an Xv1. I'm being hard on him mostly because I find the title disagreeable, and the tone in his videos is pretty condescending.

He's touting his build as basically new and fresh, but it's been done before by other sorcs and copied dozens of times on just PC/NA.

"My build is different and new because the traits are different, I'm wearing slimecraw, I'm a vampire, and my CP is allocated a little different," just doesn't warrant such a smug attitude imo.

Not sure if being smug, or just british.

Subversus · December 2017

LordSemaj wrote: »

To summarize the build, stack Overload damage, cast Crystal Blast, hide and run away. Reminds me of World of Warcraft pyroblast mages when they could POM and one shot tanks for 10k dmg in Arathi Basin.

That used to be my main, quit when it got nerfed. LUL