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ESO - How to PvP on the Stamina Warden
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Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I would love to see you duel some players, after seeing those stats.... I um...
It's hard to believe you do well with those stats0 -
Didgerion✭✭✭✭✭
✭How to PVP against stamina warden would be more helpful!!
Edited by Didgerion on December 20, 2017 1:29AM3 -
Brutusmax1mus✭✭✭✭✭
✭Waffennacht wrote: »I would love to see you duel some players, after seeing those stats.... I um...
It's hard to believe you do well with those stats
Those stats don't show the 7th proc.0 -
CatchMeTrolling✭✭✭✭✭
✭I’ve come to the conclusion that most of the warden is op talk is because Wardens basically make the biggest noobs pay, stam Warden is a stam bomber and will make you pay for stacking.1 -
Brutusmax1mus✭✭✭✭✭
✭CatchMeTrolling wrote: »I’ve come to the conclusion that most of the warden is op talk is because Wardens basically make the biggest noobs pay, stam Warden is a stam bomber and will make you pay for stacking.
Shalks, heavy attack, dbos, reverse slice (on the right target) is so much stacked aoe damage. If you kill 3 people and proc a blood spawn with asylum 2h and major heroism and wwh ruining, you can shalkbreaker into reverse slice again in a few moments. It's nuts how strong it is when 1 person does it, with 2... so dumb.1 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Brutusmax1mus wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »I would love to see you duel some players, after seeing those stats.... I um...
It's hard to believe you do well with those stats
Those stats don't show the 7th proc.
I was more looking at Stam Regen.
With Siphoner and Resource Poisons, even with Bull, his build gets... Approximately 1500-ish Regen after factoring things like major endurance.
In a duel, there's no way you can sustain and survive mDK with this Regen. Nor can you recover from the multitude of HEAVY hitters such as mNb. I also see zero way to combat cloak
Imo, the build just won't fair well in a non-LoS environmentEdited by Waffennacht on December 20, 2017 2:01AM1 -
Jjitsuboy98✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »I would love to see you duel some players, after seeing those stats.... I um...
It's hard to believe you do well with those stats
What's wrong with those stats? Over 4k weapon damage easy. My dual wield build only has about 4100 weapon damage (after weapon damage proc) 31 k stamina 25 k health. I have 1800 recovery though plus netch ticking.0 -
Jjitsuboy98✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Brutusmax1mus wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »I would love to see you duel some players, after seeing those stats.... I um...
It's hard to believe you do well with those stats
Those stats don't show the 7th proc.
I was more looking at Stam Regen.
With Siphoner and Resource Poisons, even with Bull, his build gets... Approximately 1500-ish Regen after factoring things like major endurance.
In a duel, there's no way you can sustain and survive mDK with this Regen. Nor can you recover from the multitude of HEAVY hitters such as mNb. I also see zero way to combat cloak
Imo, the build just won't fair well in a non-LoS environment
Sorry didn't see this post. I agree Stam Regen is to low for me.0 -
Toast_STS✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Brutusmax1mus wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »I would love to see you duel some players, after seeing those stats.... I um...
It's hard to believe you do well with those stats
Those stats don't show the 7th proc.
I was more looking at Stam Regen.
With Siphoner and Resource Poisons, even with Bull, his build gets... Approximately 1500-ish Regen after factoring things like major endurance.
In a duel, there's no way you can sustain and survive mDK with this Regen. Nor can you recover from the multitude of HEAVY hitters such as mNb. I also see zero way to combat cloak
Imo, the build just won't fair well in a non-LoS environment
have you ever seen his stream? Kodi is best tree hugger NA. Not dissing him everyone has their own play style.VR14 DK Leaps-in-keeps0 -
lao✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Brutusmax1mus wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »I would love to see you duel some players, after seeing those stats.... I um...
It's hard to believe you do well with those stats
Those stats don't show the 7th proc.
I was more looking at Stam Regen.
With Siphoner and Resource Poisons, even with Bull, his build gets... Approximately 1500-ish Regen after factoring things like major endurance.
In a duel, there's no way you can sustain and survive mDK with this Regen. Nor can you recover from the multitude of HEAVY hitters such as mNb. I also see zero way to combat cloak
Imo, the build just won't fair well in a non-LoS environment
you dont stack regen on a heavy armor+2h build. thats just a complete waste -.-
the sustain is np at all. 2h heavy attack while wearing heavy armor + high tenacity gives a ton of stamina back and the dmg is good so you can keep pressuring while sustaining.
also i dno what kind of duels you do but i personally i will LoS the *** out of everyone in every situation imaginable if i have to in order to win. cloak is kind of an issue tho. there you´re correct. regarding mNB, well you have to keep shimmering up all the time.
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Maulkin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Brutusmax1mus wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »I would love to see you duel some players, after seeing those stats.... I um...
It's hard to believe you do well with those stats
Those stats don't show the 7th proc.
I was more looking at Stam Regen.
With Siphoner and Resource Poisons, even with Bull, his build gets... Approximately 1500-ish Regen after factoring things like major endurance.
In a duel, there's no way you can sustain and survive mDK with this Regen. Nor can you recover from the multitude of HEAVY hitters such as mNb. I also see zero way to combat cloak
Imo, the build just won't fair well in a non-LoS environment
you dont stack regen on a heavy armor+2h build. thats just a complete waste -.-
the sustain is np at all. 2h heavy attack while wearing heavy armor + high tenacity gives a ton of stamina back and the dmg is good so you can keep pressuring while sustaining.
also i dno what kind of duels you do but i personally i will LoS the *** out of everyone in every situation imaginable if i have to in order to win. cloak is kind of an issue tho. there you´re correct. regarding mNB, well you have to keep shimmering up all the time.
I don't know what kind of duels you do, but I've never heard of any duelling scenario where LOS is permissible. Most duels take place in open areas where no such option even exists. If LOS was fine in duels, no one would ever die. Just run around a tree spamming heals, no single player could ever kill you.EU | PC | AD4 -
Trashs1✭✭✭or u are a cheater and have passively 3k reagen xDD (pun intended)Dolche des Königs (DDK); EuPC, DC, Sotha Sil,2 -
Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Brutusmax1mus wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »I would love to see you duel some players, after seeing those stats.... I um...
It's hard to believe you do well with those stats
Those stats don't show the 7th proc.
I was more looking at Stam Regen.
With Siphoner and Resource Poisons, even with Bull, his build gets... Approximately 1500-ish Regen after factoring things like major endurance.
In a duel, there's no way you can sustain and survive mDK with this Regen. Nor can you recover from the multitude of HEAVY hitters such as mNb. I also see zero way to combat cloak
Imo, the build just won't fair well in a non-LoS environment
There are 2 things You need to understand. 1st PC NA is full of potatoes (i know half on PC NA will QQ now but lets face the facts it is how it is) in open world PvP that cant avoid or recover from HA+SA+BDoS combo. 2nd to be effective in open world PvP especially 1vX You need to cherrypick Your fights in terms of areas and enemies and dont run into those situations You know You'll struggle with.
This 2 things combined allow to perform really well to builds such as the one above.2 -
Trashs1✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Brutusmax1mus wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »I would love to see you duel some players, after seeing those stats.... I um...
It's hard to believe you do well with those stats
Those stats don't show the 7th proc.
I was more looking at Stam Regen.
With Siphoner and Resource Poisons, even with Bull, his build gets... Approximately 1500-ish Regen after factoring things like major endurance.
In a duel, there's no way you can sustain and survive mDK with this Regen. Nor can you recover from the multitude of HEAVY hitters such as mNb. I also see zero way to combat cloak
Imo, the build just won't fair well in a non-LoS environment
There are 2 things You need to understand. 1st PC NA is full of potatoes (i know half on PC NA will QQ now but lets face the facts it is how it is) in open world PvP that cant avoid or recover from HA+SA+BDoS combo. 2nd to be effective in open world PvP especially 1vX You need to cherrypick Your fights in terms of areas and enemies and dont run into those situations You know You'll struggle with.
This 2 things combined allow to perform really well to builds such as the one above.
it cant be that bad in pc na.... u also have potatoes on eu pc but at least everone knows to break free or hit block at least once every other day when a stam class charges on them...Dolche des Königs (DDK); EuPC, DC, Sotha Sil,0 -
raasdal✭✭✭✭✭
✭Waffennacht wrote: »Brutusmax1mus wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »I would love to see you duel some players, after seeing those stats.... I um...
It's hard to believe you do well with those stats
Those stats don't show the 7th proc.
I was more looking at Stam Regen.
With Siphoner and Resource Poisons, even with Bull, his build gets... Approximately 1500-ish Regen after factoring things like major endurance.
In a duel, there's no way you can sustain and survive mDK with this Regen. Nor can you recover from the multitude of HEAVY hitters such as mNb. I also see zero way to combat cloak
Imo, the build just won't fair well in a non-LoS environment
@Waffennacht - Have you seen his streams? At least 50% of his resource returns, comes from weaving Heavy Attacks. He is almost constantly at 30-50% Stamina og below. He VERY often hugs just at the line where he has enough for a break-free, and not much else.PC - EU
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Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Lol obviously the build does do well WITH LoS. (Videos would show that lol)
My point was just that its strictly an Open World build, or BGs.
I would not bring it to a duel is all.
BTW, @lao no LoS in duels man, that's just.... A never ending headache. (Cloak isn't LoS)
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Whats the point of coming to a video of a mostly open world player running an open world build and explaining basics of open world pvp and telling him that you dont think hed do well with it in duels?2 -
Maulkin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Ultimate_Overlord wrote: »Whats the point of coming to a video of a mostly open world player running an open world build and explaining basics of open world pvp and telling him that you dont think hed do well with it in duels?
That, I don't understand either.EU | PC | AD0 -
IlCanis_LupuslI✭✭✭✭✭I had a stamden hit me(ww so 25% more shalk damage, 20% more dbos damage) once with the shalk uppercut dbos combo somehow the game froze during the entire burst so I had no reaction time :-( )
He bursted me down from 26k hp to 3.5 i broke free dodged the exicutioner and healed back to full with 1 houl(thank you Pelinials
, thank you Scourge Harvester , Lifesavers ^10 for any WW) ... Cause im not a potatoe... Apparently pc na is full of them(facepalm) Edited by IlCanis_LupuslI on December 21, 2017 12:14PM
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Qbiken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Mangeli200194 wrote: »I had a stamden hit me(ww so 25% more shalk damage, 20% more dbos damage) once with the shalk uppercut dbos combo.
He bursted me down from 26k hp to 3.5 i broke free dodged the exicutioner and healed back to full with 1 houl(thank you Pelinials, thank you Scourge Harvester , Lifesavers ^10 for any WW) ... Cause im not a potatoe... Apparently pc na is full of them(facepalm)
Since when did Shalk do more damage against werewolfs??0 -
DKsUnite✭✭✭✭✭
✭Mangeli200194 wrote: »I had a stamden hit me(ww so 25% more shalk damage, 20% more dbos damage) once with the shalk uppercut dbos combo.
He bursted me down from 26k hp to 3.5 i broke free dodged the exicutioner and healed back to full with 1 houl(thank you Pelinials, thank you Scourge Harvester , Lifesavers ^10 for any WW) ... Cause im not a potatoe... Apparently pc na is full of them(facepalm)
Since when did Shalk do more damage against werewolfs??
@Qbiken poison dmg which stam shalks are. WW takes 25% more from poison dmgVyr Cor | Magicka Dragonknight | DC
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Qbiken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Mangeli200194 wrote: »I had a stamden hit me(ww so 25% more shalk damage, 20% more dbos damage) once with the shalk uppercut dbos combo.
He bursted me down from 26k hp to 3.5 i broke free dodged the exicutioner and healed back to full with 1 houl(thank you Pelinials, thank you Scourge Harvester , Lifesavers ^10 for any WW) ... Cause im not a potatoe... Apparently pc na is full of them(facepalm)
Since when did Shalk do more damage against werewolfs??
@Qbiken poison dmg which stam shalks are. WW takes 25% more from poison dmg
Aha, forgot about what kind of damage shalk was
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Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ultimate_Overlord wrote: »Whats the point of coming to a video of a mostly open world player running an open world build and explaining basics of open world pvp and telling him that you dont think hed do well with it in duels?
Because it's really not all that impressive using LoS.
It is not a reflection of class abilities.
The build can only beat players that refuse to disengage when in a poor situation?
That the Regen is abhorrent.
I thought the build/player would be exceptional in all situations. Not just LoS dependent. Example: Gessner will rock in Duels, then go take first in BGs with the Same build.0 -
Toast_STS✭✭✭✭Mangeli200194 wrote: »I had a stamden hit me(ww so 25% more shalk damage, 20% more dbos damage) once with the shalk uppercut dbos combo.
He bursted me down from 26k hp to 3.5 i broke free dodged the exicutioner and healed back to full with 1 houl(thank you Pelinials, thank you Scourge Harvester , Lifesavers ^10 for any WW) ... Cause im not a potatoe... Apparently pc na is full of them(facepalm)
Since when did Shalk do more damage against werewolfs??
I think they meant Subterranean AssaultVR14 DK Leaps-in-keeps0 -
artal✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Ultimate_Overlord wrote: »Whats the point of coming to a video of a mostly open world player running an open world build and explaining basics of open world pvp and telling him that you dont think hed do well with it in duels?
Because it's really not all that impressive using LoS.
It is not a reflection of class abilities.
The build can only beat players that refuse to disengage when in a poor situation?
That the Regen is abhorrent.
I thought the build/player would be exceptional in all situations. Not just LoS dependent. Example: Gessner will rock in Duels, then go take first in BGs with the Same build.
First of all why don't you think that heavy armor build with lower regen won't work in duels?
Second, why do you think that this regen is low in the first place (in hands of competent player)?
I mean you are trashing probably one of the best or better players in this game, and for reasons that are bit silly?
Also generally speaking specialized dueling builds would do poor in open world outnumbered scenario.
He made build for his purpose, it suits him, he is rocking extremely high burst with it and its working for him. What is your problem?
Btw i had 800 stam regen build on non blocking char that was rocking in duels. go figure
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@Waffennacht Thats why i specifically said "you dont think he would do well". Some players can manage their resources better than others. Also, not only does getting #1 in bg leaderboards mean just as much as getting #1 in cyro leaderboards, you cant possibly say that bgs are a type of pvp that takes a good player or build to perform well in. If we are being honest here, in comparison to cyro, bgs would be closer to zerg surfing than small scale pvp in terms of how challenging it is and the quality of players.Edited by Ultimate_Overlord on December 22, 2017 12:37PM0
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Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I think it would be fine against 98% of the population, but anything does well against 98% of the player base.
In duels, against the best in the game, I would not put any money on the Stam warden build above.
In Open World/BGs sure
Also @Ultimate_Overlord is right, you'll find much better players in duels than open world anything
Edit: I feel like I should say, this is no way a reflection of Kodi's skill, it's my assessment of the build. Imo it specialized for Open World CyroEdited by Waffennacht on December 22, 2017 4:39PM1 -
AAbrigo✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »I think it would be fine against 98% of the population, but anything does well against 98% of the player base.
In duels, against the best in the game, I would not put any money on the Stam warden build above.
In Open World/BGs sure
Also @Ultimate_Overlord is right, you'll find much better players in duels than open world anything
Edit: I feel like I should say, this is no way a reflection of Kodi's skill, it's my assessment of the build. Imo it specialized for Open World Cyro
IMO that right there is bulls**t..
Openworld is more about skills than gear/class.
Duels is 90% gear and class and how to counter the other class.2 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »I think it would be fine against 98% of the population, but anything does well against 98% of the player base.
In duels, against the best in the game, I would not put any money on the Stam warden build above.
In Open World/BGs sure
Also @Ultimate_Overlord is right, you'll find much better players in duels than open world anything
Edit: I feel like I should say, this is no way a reflection of Kodi's skill, it's my assessment of the build. Imo it specialized for Open World Cyro
IMO that right there is bulls**t..
Openworld is more about skills than gear/class.
Duels is 90% gear and class and how to counter the other class.
If you're counting the players at Auridon etc, but trust me, you'll find the best players on Xbox dueling in wayrest etc. And trust me, they are good and I run into equivalently skilled players... Almost never in Cyrodiil or BGs. Occasionally I run into the named players in BGs, but it's really really evident most players aren't even aware of what top level play looks like.
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