I read that article earlier and that is good news. All RNG items should disclose their odds if you are paying cash. We do have that crate logger add-on, which helps.

I agree. With having items that can't be purchased for Crown Gems, the value of those Crown Gems have been heavily devalued.

I've largely stopped getting Crown Crates because of this, and from what I can read, so has a bunch of others as well.

KanedaSyndrome wrote: »

Regarding the odds. If you want to get a Radiant Apex mount you probably have to pay around 2000-4000 $. Not even a joke.

I got a radiant apex in 2 of the 3 crate seasons in which they were offered...and I buy 60 crates each season...

The sick thing about radiant apex is that there IS no ‘spending range’ to get one. You are just as likely to get a radiant apex mount on your first crate as your thousandth crate. There is NO amount of money you can spend to ensure you get one. It’s is literally possible to spend infinite dollars if you are determined to have one. Crown Crates I can tolerate because of the gems, but @KanedaSyndrome is right, unbuyable items heavily devalues this pity currency. Plenty of players, including myself, love to throw money at this game. Why not treat them ethically and ensure their contentment and long-term support rather than have this morally dubious squeeze that leaves them regretting the dollars they spend here?

I've gotten 2 radiant mounts, the Frost Draugr Senche with a 15 pack and I got the Cold Flame Wolf (the only nice looking radiant mount this season too imo) with one of the free crates. I do find the practice very malicious though. I remember the guy who spend $2k on trying to get the Plague Horse.

I had gems put aside for the return of the Storm crates, only to find you couldn't get ANYTHING for gems in those. I found that even worse than the radiant mounts. Very anti-consumer and I feel like it preyed on people who missed out on those crates (I missed the Storm Atro ones since I started playing this year and really wanted the Senche mount.)

I got lucky without having to spend a lot of money, but for everyone like me or even people who won't buy crates at all, there's some people who will shell out a ton of money aiming for one of those radiant mounts.

I wish they would add them buyable for gems if crates are here to stay, but unlikely. They know people will shell out money just for a chance at them. Now they're adding other rare stuff like skins to the apex rewards so I have a feeling they'll just keep adding more things in the future to try and get people to buy crates.

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Vance.Frost wrote: »

What I hate about these crown crates is that the blame is usually on the devs rather then the publisher. With all these lootbox scandals you would think they would back up on the rng a little.

Is the blame on the publisher/developer?

Or, is the blame on the player?

You can't blame the player, as they act as an average of a person, so what I personally do or don't won't affect how ZOS handle loot crates.

I put the blame solely on the publisher trying to satisfy greedy investors. I'm a private investor myself, but I would never back a play like this.
Gaming and game development has to be about passion for the game. I'm sure the developers have a ton of passion for the game, but they're not fully allowed to show it, as it's all about ROI, "Good Enough" and keeping the publisher happy.

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

sevomd69 wrote: »

KanedaSyndrome wrote: »

Regarding the odds. If you want to get a Radiant Apex mount you probably have to pay around 2000-4000 $. Not even a joke.

I got a radiant apex in 2 of the 3 crate seasons in which they were offered...and I buy 60 crates each season...

A single example doesn't debunk his argument. It's plausible to get one in a single free crate, meaning the person who obtained it paid zero to obtain it. Yet there are probably people who have paid 1000's and not obtained any. Again, in isolation, that too doesn't tell anyone anything much of note.

i've spent $375 this season trying to get the Shadow Atronach senche mount. Call me stupid but idc, i have the money and iv never really bought much except DLCs with zones, a few costumes here and there, im eso plus, and been playing this game since nov beta. I own everything in the flame atro crates now except any of the radiant apex mounts. With that said, Im never buying crates again.

Is the blame on the publisher/developer?

Or, is the blame on the player?[/quote]

Its goes to the game in general.

KanedaSyndrome wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Vance.Frost wrote: »

What I hate about these crown crates is that the blame is usually on the devs rather then the publisher. With all these lootbox scandals you would think they would back up on the rng a little.

Is the blame on the publisher/developer?

Or, is the blame on the player?

You can't blame the player, as they act as an average of a person, so what I personally do or don't won't affect how ZOS handle loot crates.

I put the blame solely on the publisher trying to satisfy greedy investors. I'm a private investor myself, but I would never back a play like this.
Gaming and game development has to be about passion for the game. I'm sure the developers have a ton of passion for the game, but they're not fully allowed to show it, as it's all about ROI, "Good Enough" and keeping the publisher happy.

Yes I can blame the players, and I do.

Companies can, and will, try anything this side of legal to squeeze every last penny from the players. It is the playerbase that decides whether those tactics get rewarded. The success of lootboxes and horrendous RNG is absolutely the players' fault.

edited for serious formatting mistakes. hope it's right this time

Nighn_9 wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

sevomd69 wrote: »

KanedaSyndrome wrote: »

Regarding the odds. If you want to get a Radiant Apex mount you probably have to pay around 2000-4000 $. Not even a joke.

I got a radiant apex in 2 of the 3 crate seasons in which they were offered...and I buy 60 crates each season...

A single example doesn't debunk his argument. It's plausible to get one in a single free crate, meaning the person who obtained it paid zero to obtain it. Yet there are probably people who have paid 1000's and not obtained any. Again, in isolation, that too doesn't tell anyone anything much of note.

i've spent $375 this season trying to get the Shadow Atronach senche mount. Call me stupid but idc, i have the money and iv never really bought much except DLCs with zones, a few costumes here and there, im eso plus, and been playing this game since nov beta. I own everything in the flame atro crates now except any of the radiant apex mounts. With that said, Im never buying crates again.

i love throwing money at this game, and i also agree with @KanedaSyndrome that this Radiant Apex move has heavily devalued the Gems. i relied on the idea that if i really wanted something i can eventually have it, even with bad luck. now that's no longer the case. i'm not even a fan of any of the Radiant Mounts so far, but the new system has left a bad taste in my mouth. i went from spending about $500 each of the first two seasons to buying only a single round of Crates each of the past 3. so it seems like that move has cost them about $1,425 so far just from me. now you also never want Crates again. i hope they notice soon that disappointing their whales isn't sustainable. i love supporting products i enjoy.

and i'm really sorry all of that didn't work out for you.

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

SisterGoat wrote: »

I'm curious if anyone has gotten 2 of the same radiant apex mounts and what the gem return was.

I got two of those green wolf mounts in my 20 dwemer crates and I'm 99% sure it was the same amount as you get from the apex mounts themselves. The sweetroll is by far the best gem return. Makes little or no sense, but there you go.

As this subject has cropped up, I see Apple have become the first company that will only sell games that contain lootboxes etc on their store if the odds are published. It's a start.

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2017/12/21/apple-now-requires-games-offering-loot-boxes-to-disclose-odds

Because gamers use macs to game on... lol