"Meta" PvE Stam Dk?

Ohhgrizyyy · December 2017

Kinda wanting to make a Stam build and get into PvE a bit more. So build wise what's the best setups, cp and rotation(s) for Stam dk? I know set wise there's Night Mothers, Hundings, Sunderflame, Morong Tong, Twice Fanged, Agility, VO, Mephala and Velidreth with VMA bow and depending on how it's built running Masters DW. With all this said, How do you run these sets together? If I don't have VO what other 5 piece do I run with the other? Hypothetically...

Night Mothers + Sunderflame + Mephalas/Veli
Hundings + Agility + Masters DW + Mephalas/Veli
Night Mothers + Twice Fanged + Mephalas/Veli
Morong Tong + Hundings + Mephalas/Veli

Get the idea? Basically I'm asking numbers wise what is the best overall combos between all of these sets. "If I run this what other set(s) should I run if I don't have VO"

Massive_Stain · December 2017

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

Kinda wanting to make a Stam build and get into PvE a bit more. So build wise what's the best setups, cp and rotation(s) for Stam dk? I know set wise there's Night Mothers, Hundings, Sunderflame, Morong Tong, Twice Fanged, Agility, VO, Mephala and Velidreth with VMA bow and depending on how it's built running Masters DW. With all this said, How do you run these sets together? If I don't have VO what other 5 piece do I run with the other? Hypothetically...

Night Mothers + Sunderflame + Mephalas/Veli
Hundings + Agility + Masters DW + Mephalas/Veli
Night Mothers + Twice Fanged + Mephalas/Veli
Morong Tong + Hundings + Mephalas/Veli

Get the idea? Basically I'm asking numbers wise what is the best overall combos between all of these sets. "If I run this what other set(s) should I run if I don't have VO"

In trials, set wise I would run 5 sunderflame (jewels/dual wield) and 5 nightmothers gaze on body with velidreth or Mephalas. To test on a dummy, go 5 nmg or sunderflame, and 5 tfs. Rotation on dual wield will always be 3 heavy attacks and skills, followed by light attack weaves for final skill/s. On bow bar you will have your light attack weaving skills. Cp in blue should be mostly in the tree with thaum and you shouldn't have much more than 2500 on pen for group.

Milvan · December 2017

imHUMBLEo:

Night Mothers + Sunderflame + Mephalas/Veli No. In my trials one stam uses NMG, and a different one uses sunder flame. Never one uses both.

Hundings + Agility + Masters DW + Mephalas/Veli If you don't have VO, it's okayish. You can either change the hundings to NMG or Sunderflame depeding on the group.

Night Mothers + Twice Fanged + Mephalas/Veli Only for solo content or poorly optimized trial runs.

Morag Tong + Hundings + Mephalas/Veli Yes, but only if your trial run have 4 stamdks (1 with NMG, 1 Sunderflame, 1 morag tong, 1 free).

Edit: FearTurbo isn't very beginners friendly but it's a top quality content: fearturbo.com/combustion/

Ohhgrizyyy · December 2017

Milvan wrote: »

imHUMBLEo:

Night Mothers + Sunderflame + Mephalas/Veli No. In my trials one stam uses NMG, and a different one uses sunder flame. Never one uses both.

Hundings + Agility + Masters DW + Mephalas/Veli If you don't have VO, it's okayish. You can either change the hundings to NMG or Sunderflame depeding on the group.

Night Mothers + Twice Fanged + Mephalas/Veli Only for solo content or poorly optimized trial runs.

Morag Tong + Hundings + Mephalas/Veli Yes, but only if your trial run have 4 stamdks (1 with NMG, 1 Sunderflame, 1 morag tong, 1 free).

Edit: FearTurbo isn't very beginners friendly but it's a top quality content: fearturbo.com/combustion/

I appreciate the help but to get more info, What other combos would there be?

NightMothers + Morag
NightMothers + VO
NightMothers + ??

Hundings + Morag
Hundings + Sunderflame
Hundings + VO
Hundings + ?

Milvan · December 2017

IMO and from the perspective of a trial leader:
You basically need to combo one damage support set with a pure damage set. Using two damage support isnt very optimized.

NightMothers + Morag No
NightMothers + VO Yes

Hundings + Morag Okayish, But I would rather have you Morag OR Hundings instead of them together.
Hundings + Sunderflame Okayish, But I would rather have you Sunderflame OR Hundings instead of them together.
Hundings + VO Yes Please.

You can also go:
Hundings + ?
NightMothers + ??
Morag + ?
SunderFlame+ ?
In these cases above, Agility if you don't have VO, or any other set that give you stamina, critical or weapon damage: leviathan, automaton etc. VO is quite easy to get once you start doing crag veteran trials.

Edit: minor fixes xD

Runefang · December 2017

Milvan wrote: »

IMO and from the perspective of a trial leader:
You basically need to combo one damage support set with a pure damage set. Using two damage support isnt very optimized.

NightMothers + Morag No
NightMothers + VO Yes

Hundings + Morag Okayish, But I would rather have you Morag OR Hundings instead of them together.
Hundings + Sunderflame Okayish, But I would rather have you Sunderflame OR Hundings instead of them together.
Hundings + VO Yes Please.

You can also go:
Hundings + ?
NightMothers + ??
Morag + ?
SunderFlame+ ?
In these cases above, Agility if you don't have VO, or any other set that give you stamina, critical or weapon damage: leviathan, automaton etc. VO is quite easy to get once you start doing crag veteran trials.

Edit: minor fixes xD

You don't want Sunderflame and Hundings together? Isn't one a support set and another a pure damage set?

Ohhgrizyyy · December 2017

Milvan wrote: »

IMO and from the perspective of a trial leader:
You basically need to combo one damage support set with a pure damage set. Using two damage support isnt very optimized.

NightMothers + Morag No
NightMothers + VO Yes

Hundings + Morag Okayish, But I would rather have you Morag OR Hundings instead of them together.
Hundings + Sunderflame Okayish, But I would rather have you Sunderflame OR Hundings instead of them together.
Hundings + VO Yes Please.

You can also go:
Hundings + ?
NightMothers + ??
Morag + ?
SunderFlame+ ?
In these cases above, Agility if you don't have VO, or any other set that give you stamina, critical or weapon damage: leviathan, automaton etc. VO is quite easy to get once you start doing crag veteran trials.

Edit: minor fixes xD

Would Masters DW be a good replacement instead of a 2 piece weapon dmg?

Milvan · December 2017

Runefang wrote: »

Milvan wrote: »

IMO and from the perspective of a trial leader:
You basically need to combo one damage support set with a pure damage set. Using two damage support isnt very optimized.

NightMothers + Morag No
NightMothers + VO Yes

Hundings + Morag Okayish, But I would rather have you Morag OR Hundings instead of them together.
Hundings + Sunderflame Okayish, But I would rather have you Sunderflame OR Hundings instead of them together.
Hundings + VO Yes Please.

You can also go:
Hundings + ?
NightMothers + ??
Morag + ?
SunderFlame+ ?
In these cases above, Agility if you don't have VO, or any other set that give you stamina, critical or weapon damage: leviathan, automaton etc. VO is quite easy to get once you start doing crag veteran trials.

Edit: minor fixes xD

You don't want Sunderflame and Hundings together? Isn't one a support set and another a pure damage set?

As I said: It's okayish, but I would rather have Sunder+VO and Hunding+VO.

GreenhaloX · December 2017

I never use NMG or even VO, really; but hey, if it works for you, it's cool. To me, though.. NMG, for one, crit needs to hit in order to activate it, and it's not all that when it does hit. For my StamDK, I don't use Hunding or the Thief boon. I slot Warrior boon, so, I don't have a lot of crit chance. I prefer higher stamina and weapon damage build. Plus, the Noxious Breath fairs quite well in breaking down the target's spell/physical resist, and you hit multiple targets with this. As for the VO, of course you have to kill the target to get the stam replenished. To me, heavy attack with a 2H fairs quite well in replenishing the stamina. Plus now, you get an extra 25% with the Revitalizing passive. I also don't follow Meta. To me, it is just like when a crowd has gathered to protest something. Some people just go there because there's a crowd, and a lot don't even know what or why they are protesting. Meta (and BiS, as well) is just something a lot of people think something should be, and it really doesn't work for everyone. Again, well, if it works for you, then, it's all good.

Anyways, on my 2H StamDK, I use 5x Ravaging and 5x Sword Singers and a Molag Kena helm. It's a casual set and nothing fancy, but it still works quite well in cutting or melting down anything in PvE land. I just like the perk of the 5-piece Ravaging. Oh, when that hits and you get that orange-ish glow around you, I pop Rally, and that overall weapon damage rating just skyrockets. Plus, the perk from the 5-piece Sword Singer for something like Wrecking Blow, Brawler or Executioner; it is just so juicy not to use it for a 2H stam build.

Even on my DW StamDK or StamPlar, I slot the Ravaging for a set; either with Spriggans, Viper or whatever other stam/weapon damage set. Heck, even the Shadow of the Red Mountain is looking kind of intriguing with the new perk from the 5-piece. Overall, for a StamDK, it is also about what skillsets you are slotting and the rotations. Any sets you have on as your build, if you are using good skillsets and rotations, you will be fine.

Milvan · December 2017

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

Milvan wrote: »

IMO and from the perspective of a trial leader:
You basically need to combo one damage support set with a pure damage set. Using two damage support isnt very optimized.

NightMothers + Morag No
NightMothers + VO Yes

Hundings + Morag Okayish, But I would rather have you Morag OR Hundings instead of them together.
Hundings + Sunderflame Okayish, But I would rather have you Sunderflame OR Hundings instead of them together.
Hundings + VO Yes Please.

You can also go:
Hundings + ?
NightMothers + ??
Morag + ?
SunderFlame+ ?
In these cases above, Agility if you don't have VO, or any other set that give you stamina, critical or weapon damage: leviathan, automaton etc. VO is quite easy to get once you start doing crag veteran trials.

Edit: minor fixes xD

Would Masters DW be a good replacement instead of a 2 piece weapon dmg?

I would personally go for dual lekis for the weapon damage.

I don't really know what sets you already have, but this is definitely a good start to get into PVE end game if you have a good group:
2x Velidreth; 5x Hunding or NMG or SUNDERFLAME; 3xJewelry Agility, Dual Wied Lekis and a crafted bow.

Since it may take a while to find a optimized trial group, you can also go 2xVelidreth, 2xArmor Pieces+3xJewelry Sprigaans; 3armor pieces+DW NMG and a crafted bow.

Milvan · December 2017

GreenhaloX wrote: »

I never use NMG or even VO, really; but hey, if it works for you, it's cool. To me, though.. NMG, for one, crit needs to hit in order to activate it, and it's not all that when it does hit. For my StamDK, I don't use Hunding or the Thief boon. I slot Warrior boon, so, I don't have a lot of crit chance. I prefer higher stamina and weapon damage build. Plus, the Noxious Breath fairs quite well in breaking down the target's spell/physical resist, and you hit multiple targets with this. As for the VO, of course you have to kill the target to get the stam replenished. To me, heavy attack with a 2H fairs quite well in replenishing the stamina. Plus now, you get an extra 25% with the Revitalizing passive. I also don't follow Meta. To me, it is just like when a crowd has gathered to protest something. Some people just go there because there's a crowd, and a lot don't even know what or why they are protesting. Meta (and BiS, as well) is just something a lot of people think something should be, and it really doesn't work for everyone. Again, well, if it works for you, then, it's all good.

Anyways, on my 2H StamDK, I use 5x Ravaging and 5x Sword Singers and a Molag Kena helm. It's a casual set and nothing fancy, but it still works quite well in cutting or melting down anything in PvE land. I just like the perk of the 5-piece Ravaging. Oh, when that hits and you get that orange-ish glow around you, I pop Rally, and that overall weapon damage rating just skyrockets. With the previous Wrath, I was hitting well over 5k; heck, even into the mid-5k max weapon damage for PvE. Well, since they killed the Wrath passive, I'd now be in the high 4k or maybe hit 5k; it's still fine, though. Plus, the perk from the 5-piece Sword Singer for something like Wrecking Blow, Brawler or Executioner; it is just so juicy not to use it for a 2H stam build.

Even on my DW StamDK or StamPlar, I slot the Ravaging for a set; either with Spriggans, Viper or whatever other stam/weapon damage set. Heck, even the Shadow of the Red Mountain is looking kind of intriguing with the new perk from the 5-piece. Overall, for a StamDK, it is also about what skillsets you are slotting and the rotations. Any sets you have on as your build, if you are using good skillsets and rotations, you will be fine.

I don't mean to be rude, just a small heads up.

It's okay to play as you want. especially if you want to roleplay your way throught PVE overland content. But I'm pretty sure that OP is asking what's the meta not what's our opinion about the meta.

Also, if op wants to "get into PvE a bit more" he/she will definitely need to hit more than 5k dps. And by that I mean at least 6 times that.

EvilAutoTech · December 2017

I also don't mean to be rude but the post you quoted was talking about 5k weapon damage not 5k dps.

Furcula · December 2017

For dungeons and normal overland content, TFS and Hundings or VO will be a good combination.

For trials, you usually have 4 stam dps and they will be wearing a mixture of Morag Tung, VO, Hundings, War Machine and Sunders.

WrathOfInnos · December 2017

Sunderflame is best on stamDK because they get more out of the burning effect than other stam classes. Just make sure your rotation includes at least one heavy attack every 8s.

You could also use NMG if you want to be a max support class, but Night Mothers is actually preferred on something with more AoE (stam Sorc or warden) to make sure it hits everything in a trash pack.

Another good support set is Morag Tong, but usually only worth using if there is another stam DK or stam warden in the group.

Hundings is always a good option for stam, and is the easiest to craft or buy.

LiquidPony · December 2017

GreenhaloX wrote: »

I never use NMG or even VO, really; but hey, if it works for you, it's cool. To me, though.. NMG, for one, crit needs to hit in order to activate it, and it's not all that when it does hit. For my StamDK, I don't use Hunding or the Thief boon. I slot Warrior boon, so, I don't have a lot of crit chance. I prefer higher stamina and weapon damage build. Plus, the Noxious Breath fairs quite well in breaking down the target's spell/physical resist, and you hit multiple targets with this. As for the VO, of course you have to kill the target to get the stam replenished. To me, heavy attack with a 2H fairs quite well in replenishing the stamina. Plus now, you get an extra 25% with the Revitalizing passive. I also don't follow Meta. To me, it is just like when a crowd has gathered to protest something. Some people just go there because there's a crowd, and a lot don't even know what or why they are protesting. Meta (and BiS, as well) is just something a lot of people think something should be, and it really doesn't work for everyone. Again, well, if it works for you, then, it's all good.

Anyways, on my 2H StamDK, I use 5x Ravaging and 5x Sword Singers and a Molag Kena helm. It's a casual set and nothing fancy, but it still works quite well in cutting or melting down anything in PvE land. I just like the perk of the 5-piece Ravaging. Oh, when that hits and you get that orange-ish glow around you, I pop Rally, and that overall weapon damage rating just skyrockets. Plus, the perk from the 5-piece Sword Singer for something like Wrecking Blow, Brawler or Executioner; it is just so juicy not to use it for a 2H stam build.

Even on my DW StamDK or StamPlar, I slot the Ravaging for a set; either with Spriggans, Viper or whatever other stam/weapon damage set. Heck, even the Shadow of the Red Mountain is looking kind of intriguing with the new perk from the 5-piece. Overall, for a StamDK, it is also about what skillsets you are slotting and the rotations. Any sets you have on as your build, if you are using good skillsets and rotations, you will be fine.

Even if your stamDK only has a 60% crit chance buffed, you've got so many DoTs ticking that you're going to keep the NMG debuff up almost 100% regardless. With Endless Hail, Razor Caltrops, Poison Injection, Deadly Cloak, Venomous Claw, Noxious Breath, Rending Slashes, Rearming Trap, Flames of Oblivion, plus your poison enchant, your bow poisons, Standard, your LA/HAs ... yeah, NMG is just fine on a stamDK.

And VO is close to essential in some content like vHoF.

People use "the meta" because they've run it in Trials, tested it extensively on various target skeletons, etc., and found that it works and it's the most effective setup out there. Has little to do with "following the crowd" or whatever nonsense the snowflakes spout when they talk about their off-brand builds.

Let me know when you get 65-70k DPS using a 2H build with Ravaging and Sword-Singer. :P

GreenhaloX · December 2017

Milvan wrote: »

GreenhaloX wrote: »

I never use NMG or even VO, really; but hey, if it works for you, it's cool. To me, though.. NMG, for one, crit needs to hit in order to activate it, and it's not all that when it does hit. For my StamDK, I don't use Hunding or the Thief boon. I slot Warrior boon, so, I don't have a lot of crit chance. I prefer higher stamina and weapon damage build. Plus, the Noxious Breath fairs quite well in breaking down the target's spell/physical resist, and you hit multiple targets with this. As for the VO, of course you have to kill the target to get the stam replenished. To me, heavy attack with a 2H fairs quite well in replenishing the stamina. Plus now, you get an extra 25% with the Revitalizing passive. I also don't follow Meta. To me, it is just like when a crowd has gathered to protest something. Some people just go there because there's a crowd, and a lot don't even know what or why they are protesting. Meta (and BiS, as well) is just something a lot of people think something should be, and it really doesn't work for everyone. Again, well, if it works for you, then, it's all good.

Anyways, on my 2H StamDK, I use 5x Ravaging and 5x Sword Singers and a Molag Kena helm. It's a casual set and nothing fancy, but it still works quite well in cutting or melting down anything in PvE land. I just like the perk of the 5-piece Ravaging. Oh, when that hits and you get that orange-ish glow around you, I pop Rally, and that overall weapon damage rating just skyrockets. With the previous Wrath, I was hitting well over 5k; heck, even into the mid-5k max weapon damage for PvE. Well, since they killed the Wrath passive, I'd now be in the high 4k or maybe hit 5k; it's still fine, though. Plus, the perk from the 5-piece Sword Singer for something like Wrecking Blow, Brawler or Executioner; it is just so juicy not to use it for a 2H stam build.

Even on my DW StamDK or StamPlar, I slot the Ravaging for a set; either with Spriggans, Viper or whatever other stam/weapon damage set. Heck, even the Shadow of the Red Mountain is looking kind of intriguing with the new perk from the 5-piece. Overall, for a StamDK, it is also about what skillsets you are slotting and the rotations. Any sets you have on as your build, if you are using good skillsets and rotations, you will be fine.

I don't mean to be rude, just a small heads up.

It's okay to play as you want. especially if you want to roleplay your way throught PVE overland content. But I'm pretty sure that OP is asking what's the meta not what's our opinion about the meta.

Also, if op wants to "get into PvE a bit more" he/she will definitely need to hit more than 5k dps. And by that I mean at least 6 times that.

5k dps.. ha ha ha. I can do more than that going around with just my fists and in underwear. Such an ignorant post/reply of your. Just because you may not like a set, and may not work for you, it doesn't mean it is not good or won't work for others. I say the same about NMG and Morug Tong. To me, both are crap sets, but it doesn't mean it is not good for somebody else. Also, for PvE, you really don't need VO as part of a damage dealing set. Good and nice to have, but not a must. Also, Meta is a matter of opinion. There is nothing official that dictates something to be meta. It is what folks think or believe the set, pieces, build, whatever, should be, and it doesn't mean it for everyone. I'm just sharing another concept/build on a very effective StamDK. If you or any don't think so, then, it's a matter of your opinion. It's cool.

RABIDxWOLVERINE · December 2017

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4725253#Comment_4725253

Check this thread out. Oreyn Bearclaw is a stam DK guru and has helped me optimize my build a ton as well as jkolb and danksta. They have a lot of knowledge when it comes to this build. I literally just asked them this question.

When I'm solo I run hundings/Twice fanged serpent with veli monster set. Depending on your group you want to have access to the sets you mentioned to add to your versatility but like I said check out that thread, these guys are a knowledge bank.

LiquidPony · December 2017

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Milvan wrote: »

GreenhaloX wrote: »

I never use NMG or even VO, really; but hey, if it works for you, it's cool. To me, though.. NMG, for one, crit needs to hit in order to activate it, and it's not all that when it does hit. For my StamDK, I don't use Hunding or the Thief boon. I slot Warrior boon, so, I don't have a lot of crit chance. I prefer higher stamina and weapon damage build. Plus, the Noxious Breath fairs quite well in breaking down the target's spell/physical resist, and you hit multiple targets with this. As for the VO, of course you have to kill the target to get the stam replenished. To me, heavy attack with a 2H fairs quite well in replenishing the stamina. Plus now, you get an extra 25% with the Revitalizing passive. I also don't follow Meta. To me, it is just like when a crowd has gathered to protest something. Some people just go there because there's a crowd, and a lot don't even know what or why they are protesting. Meta (and BiS, as well) is just something a lot of people think something should be, and it really doesn't work for everyone. Again, well, if it works for you, then, it's all good.

Anyways, on my 2H StamDK, I use 5x Ravaging and 5x Sword Singers and a Molag Kena helm. It's a casual set and nothing fancy, but it still works quite well in cutting or melting down anything in PvE land. I just like the perk of the 5-piece Ravaging. Oh, when that hits and you get that orange-ish glow around you, I pop Rally, and that overall weapon damage rating just skyrockets. With the previous Wrath, I was hitting well over 5k; heck, even into the mid-5k max weapon damage for PvE. Well, since they killed the Wrath passive, I'd now be in the high 4k or maybe hit 5k; it's still fine, though. Plus, the perk from the 5-piece Sword Singer for something like Wrecking Blow, Brawler or Executioner; it is just so juicy not to use it for a 2H stam build.

Even on my DW StamDK or StamPlar, I slot the Ravaging for a set; either with Spriggans, Viper or whatever other stam/weapon damage set. Heck, even the Shadow of the Red Mountain is looking kind of intriguing with the new perk from the 5-piece. Overall, for a StamDK, it is also about what skillsets you are slotting and the rotations. Any sets you have on as your build, if you are using good skillsets and rotations, you will be fine.

I don't mean to be rude, just a small heads up.

It's okay to play as you want. especially if you want to roleplay your way throught PVE overland content. But I'm pretty sure that OP is asking what's the meta not what's our opinion about the meta.

Also, if op wants to "get into PvE a bit more" he/she will definitely need to hit more than 5k dps. And by that I mean at least 6 times that.

5k dps.. ha ha ha. I can do more than that going around with just my fists and in underwear. Such an ignorant post/reply of your. Just because you may not like a set, and may not work for you, it doesn't mean it is not good or won't work for others. I say the same about NMG and Morug Tong. To me, both are crap sets, but it doesn't mean it is not good for somebody else. Also, for PvE, you really don't need VO as part of a damage dealing set. Good and nice to have, but not a must. Also, Meta is a matter of opinion. There is nothing official that dictates something to be meta. It is what folks think or believe the set, pieces, build, whatever, should be, and it doesn't mean it for everyone. I'm just sharing another concept/build on a very effective StamDK. If you or any don't think so, then, it's a matter of your opinion. It's cool.

To quote Douglas Adams:

"All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated and well supported in logic and argument than others."

Sure, "the meta" is an opinion ... but it's an evidence-based opinion derived from what people are using to achieve the highest leaderboard scores, the highest combat metrics parses, the highest raid skeleton parses, etc.

Calling NMG and Morag Tong "crap sets" is not a good opinion. You just don't like them. They're not bad.

But of course, different strokes for different folks. I'm sure your build is fine for picking flowers or fighting world bosses or whatever

... but when you want to burn Rakkhat on pad 5 or no-portal Mantikora, you're going to need a build that is something like "the meta."

Runefang · December 2017

Milvan wrote: »

GreenhaloX wrote: »

I never use NMG or even VO, really; but hey, if it works for you, it's cool. To me, though.. NMG, for one, crit needs to hit in order to activate it, and it's not all that when it does hit. For my StamDK, I don't use Hunding or the Thief boon. I slot Warrior boon, so, I don't have a lot of crit chance. I prefer higher stamina and weapon damage build. Plus, the Noxious Breath fairs quite well in breaking down the target's spell/physical resist, and you hit multiple targets with this. As for the VO, of course you have to kill the target to get the stam replenished. To me, heavy attack with a 2H fairs quite well in replenishing the stamina. Plus now, you get an extra 25% with the Revitalizing passive. I also don't follow Meta. To me, it is just like when a crowd has gathered to protest something. Some people just go there because there's a crowd, and a lot don't even know what or why they are protesting. Meta (and BiS, as well) is just something a lot of people think something should be, and it really doesn't work for everyone. Again, well, if it works for you, then, it's all good.

Anyways, on my 2H StamDK, I use 5x Ravaging and 5x Sword Singers and a Molag Kena helm. It's a casual set and nothing fancy, but it still works quite well in cutting or melting down anything in PvE land. I just like the perk of the 5-piece Ravaging. Oh, when that hits and you get that orange-ish glow around you, I pop Rally, and that overall weapon damage rating just skyrockets. With the previous Wrath, I was hitting well over 5k; heck, even into the mid-5k max weapon damage for PvE. Well, since they killed the Wrath passive, I'd now be in the high 4k or maybe hit 5k; it's still fine, though. Plus, the perk from the 5-piece Sword Singer for something like Wrecking Blow, Brawler or Executioner; it is just so juicy not to use it for a 2H stam build.

Even on my DW StamDK or StamPlar, I slot the Ravaging for a set; either with Spriggans, Viper or whatever other stam/weapon damage set. Heck, even the Shadow of the Red Mountain is looking kind of intriguing with the new perk from the 5-piece. Overall, for a StamDK, it is also about what skillsets you are slotting and the rotations. Any sets you have on as your build, if you are using good skillsets and rotations, you will be fine.

I don't mean to be rude, just a small heads up.

It's okay to play as you want. especially if you want to roleplay your way throught PVE overland content. But I'm pretty sure that OP is asking what's the meta not what's our opinion about the meta.

Also, if op wants to "get into PvE a bit more" he/she will definitely need to hit more than 5k dps. And by that I mean at least 6 times that.

He did specifically state he's talking about weapon damage, not DPS. I imagine with 5k weapon damage he's over 5k DPS easily. Unless he's just staring at his character screen in awe

Alcast · December 2017

Got an article about possible stamins setups on my website if you want to learn more: https://alcasthq.com/eso-stamina-optimization-raids/

Mister_DMC · December 2017

Much like Alcast I've tested all this recently. Highest dps output for Solo TFS and VO. Highest DPS for group benefit Sunderflame 3 pieces and 2 weapons. Highest trial dps if other group members are contributing to the penetration Hundings 5 body, Briarheart 3 jewels and dw weapons.

Basically to be fully covered you need a set of VO, Sunderflame, Hundings, Briarheart and Morag Tong.

Mister_DMC · December 2017

Also throughout all my testing there's a very small difference in using any combination of them. Lowest was 37k highest was 40k. Solo on the 3 mil dummy.

Ohhgrizyyy · December 2017

Mister_DMC wrote: »

Much like Alcast I've tested all this recently. Highest dps output for Solo TFS and VO. Highest DPS for group benefit Sunderflame 3 pieces and 2 weapons. Highest trial dps if other group members are contributing to the penetration Hundings 5 body, Briarheart 3 jewels and dw weapons.

Basically to be fully covered you need a set of VO, Sunderflame, Hundings, Briarheart and Morag Tong.

So basically run Hundings and farm all these other sets to be prepared?

Milvan · December 2017

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

Mister_DMC wrote: »

Much like Alcast I've tested all this recently. Highest dps output for Solo TFS and VO. Highest DPS for group benefit Sunderflame 3 pieces and 2 weapons. Highest trial dps if other group members are contributing to the penetration Hundings 5 body, Briarheart 3 jewels and dw weapons.

Basically to be fully covered you need a set of VO, Sunderflame, Hundings, Briarheart and Morag Tong.

So basically run Hundings and farm all these other sets to be prepared?

Yes. Don't forget VO.

techprince · December 2017

Sunderflame + Briarheart/Hundings without VO.

GreenhaloX · December 2017

LiquidPony wrote: »

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Milvan wrote: »

GreenhaloX wrote: »

I never use NMG or even VO, really; but hey, if it works for you, it's cool. To me, though.. NMG, for one, crit needs to hit in order to activate it, and it's not all that when it does hit. For my StamDK, I don't use Hunding or the Thief boon. I slot Warrior boon, so, I don't have a lot of crit chance. I prefer higher stamina and weapon damage build. Plus, the Noxious Breath fairs quite well in breaking down the target's spell/physical resist, and you hit multiple targets with this. As for the VO, of course you have to kill the target to get the stam replenished. To me, heavy attack with a 2H fairs quite well in replenishing the stamina. Plus now, you get an extra 25% with the Revitalizing passive. I also don't follow Meta. To me, it is just like when a crowd has gathered to protest something. Some people just go there because there's a crowd, and a lot don't even know what or why they are protesting. Meta (and BiS, as well) is just something a lot of people think something should be, and it really doesn't work for everyone. Again, well, if it works for you, then, it's all good.

Anyways, on my 2H StamDK, I use 5x Ravaging and 5x Sword Singers and a Molag Kena helm. It's a casual set and nothing fancy, but it still works quite well in cutting or melting down anything in PvE land. I just like the perk of the 5-piece Ravaging. Oh, when that hits and you get that orange-ish glow around you, I pop Rally, and that overall weapon damage rating just skyrockets. With the previous Wrath, I was hitting well over 5k; heck, even into the mid-5k max weapon damage for PvE. Well, since they killed the Wrath passive, I'd now be in the high 4k or maybe hit 5k; it's still fine, though. Plus, the perk from the 5-piece Sword Singer for something like Wrecking Blow, Brawler or Executioner; it is just so juicy not to use it for a 2H stam build.

Even on my DW StamDK or StamPlar, I slot the Ravaging for a set; either with Spriggans, Viper or whatever other stam/weapon damage set. Heck, even the Shadow of the Red Mountain is looking kind of intriguing with the new perk from the 5-piece. Overall, for a StamDK, it is also about what skillsets you are slotting and the rotations. Any sets you have on as your build, if you are using good skillsets and rotations, you will be fine.

I don't mean to be rude, just a small heads up.

It's okay to play as you want. especially if you want to roleplay your way throught PVE overland content. But I'm pretty sure that OP is asking what's the meta not what's our opinion about the meta.

Also, if op wants to "get into PvE a bit more" he/she will definitely need to hit more than 5k dps. And by that I mean at least 6 times that.

5k dps.. ha ha ha. I can do more than that going around with just my fists and in underwear. Such an ignorant post/reply of your. Just because you may not like a set, and may not work for you, it doesn't mean it is not good or won't work for others. I say the same about NMG and Morug Tong. To me, both are crap sets, but it doesn't mean it is not good for somebody else. Also, for PvE, you really don't need VO as part of a damage dealing set. Good and nice to have, but not a must. Also, Meta is a matter of opinion. There is nothing official that dictates something to be meta. It is what folks think or believe the set, pieces, build, whatever, should be, and it doesn't mean it for everyone. I'm just sharing another concept/build on a very effective StamDK. If you or any don't think so, then, it's a matter of your opinion. It's cool.

To quote Douglas Adams:

"All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated and well supported in logic and argument than others."

Sure, "the meta" is an opinion ... but it's an evidence-based opinion derived from what people are using to achieve the highest leaderboard scores, the highest combat metrics parses, the highest raid skeleton parses, etc.

Calling NMG and Morag Tong "crap sets" is not a good opinion. You just don't like them. They're not bad.

But of course, different strokes for different folks. I'm sure your build is fine for picking flowers or fighting world bosses or whatever ... but when you want to burn Rakkhat on pad 5 or no-portal Mantikora, you're going to need a build that is something like "the meta."

Ha ha ha.. that's right, I do pick flowers, reagents, ores, mats and all that jazz. I have tons and never need anyone to craft anything for me or potentially get ripped off when trying to buy some of those from some randoms on zone chats. Nice quote, by the way. There are definitely intelligent folks playing this game, other than masses of potentially brain cells-challenged folks.

Anyways, dude or dudette, this is just a ffing video game. You have mistaken me for someone who cares about leaders board or how much more dps you have than someone else. Get off your high mount. You sound just like an elitist wannabe joker. You can burn whatever you want when you have 8-9 dpsers, 2 healers constantly spamming heal over everybody and tanks able to do their jobs by keeping the boss at bay so all those dd/dpsers can do what dpsers are supposed to do. Well, good for you and all you constantly vying to be on or get on top of the leaders board; if it's what gives you all meaning and relevance. However, for me, it's just a video game for entertainment and no need to be some ESO bad asses or hardcore gamers. I have plenty of other real world things that give me meaning, relevancy and fulfillment; but, if being a bad ass or Gods of ESO gives you that, then it's all good.

However, it is quite hilarious, though, when posting things on this forum and just sharing your view, build and whatnot, then, it never fails to have some elitist wannabe jump on your post and comments bashing and whatever.. i.e., you suck, your build sucks, you suck because you're not on the leaders board or showing Flawless on your title. Get the hell outta here, just a damn video game. Play with whatever build/setup you want and enjoy the game. I don't need to be on what world first this, world first to that group or guild. Cool, if those of you are all that, but, you don't need 50 to 100 dps or be on any leaders board to get through any PvE contents, or endgames, or to enjoy ESO.

LiquidPony · December 2017

GreenhaloX wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Milvan wrote: »

GreenhaloX wrote: »

I never use NMG or even VO, really; but hey, if it works for you, it's cool. To me, though.. NMG, for one, crit needs to hit in order to activate it, and it's not all that when it does hit. For my StamDK, I don't use Hunding or the Thief boon. I slot Warrior boon, so, I don't have a lot of crit chance. I prefer higher stamina and weapon damage build. Plus, the Noxious Breath fairs quite well in breaking down the target's spell/physical resist, and you hit multiple targets with this. As for the VO, of course you have to kill the target to get the stam replenished. To me, heavy attack with a 2H fairs quite well in replenishing the stamina. Plus now, you get an extra 25% with the Revitalizing passive. I also don't follow Meta. To me, it is just like when a crowd has gathered to protest something. Some people just go there because there's a crowd, and a lot don't even know what or why they are protesting. Meta (and BiS, as well) is just something a lot of people think something should be, and it really doesn't work for everyone. Again, well, if it works for you, then, it's all good.

Anyways, on my 2H StamDK, I use 5x Ravaging and 5x Sword Singers and a Molag Kena helm. It's a casual set and nothing fancy, but it still works quite well in cutting or melting down anything in PvE land. I just like the perk of the 5-piece Ravaging. Oh, when that hits and you get that orange-ish glow around you, I pop Rally, and that overall weapon damage rating just skyrockets. With the previous Wrath, I was hitting well over 5k; heck, even into the mid-5k max weapon damage for PvE. Well, since they killed the Wrath passive, I'd now be in the high 4k or maybe hit 5k; it's still fine, though. Plus, the perk from the 5-piece Sword Singer for something like Wrecking Blow, Brawler or Executioner; it is just so juicy not to use it for a 2H stam build.

Even on my DW StamDK or StamPlar, I slot the Ravaging for a set; either with Spriggans, Viper or whatever other stam/weapon damage set. Heck, even the Shadow of the Red Mountain is looking kind of intriguing with the new perk from the 5-piece. Overall, for a StamDK, it is also about what skillsets you are slotting and the rotations. Any sets you have on as your build, if you are using good skillsets and rotations, you will be fine.

I don't mean to be rude, just a small heads up.

It's okay to play as you want. especially if you want to roleplay your way throught PVE overland content. But I'm pretty sure that OP is asking what's the meta not what's our opinion about the meta.

Also, if op wants to "get into PvE a bit more" he/she will definitely need to hit more than 5k dps. And by that I mean at least 6 times that.

5k dps.. ha ha ha. I can do more than that going around with just my fists and in underwear. Such an ignorant post/reply of your. Just because you may not like a set, and may not work for you, it doesn't mean it is not good or won't work for others. I say the same about NMG and Morug Tong. To me, both are crap sets, but it doesn't mean it is not good for somebody else. Also, for PvE, you really don't need VO as part of a damage dealing set. Good and nice to have, but not a must. Also, Meta is a matter of opinion. There is nothing official that dictates something to be meta. It is what folks think or believe the set, pieces, build, whatever, should be, and it doesn't mean it for everyone. I'm just sharing another concept/build on a very effective StamDK. If you or any don't think so, then, it's a matter of your opinion. It's cool.

To quote Douglas Adams:

"All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated and well supported in logic and argument than others."

Sure, "the meta" is an opinion ... but it's an evidence-based opinion derived from what people are using to achieve the highest leaderboard scores, the highest combat metrics parses, the highest raid skeleton parses, etc.

Calling NMG and Morag Tong "crap sets" is not a good opinion. You just don't like them. They're not bad.

But of course, different strokes for different folks. I'm sure your build is fine for picking flowers or fighting world bosses or whatever ... but when you want to burn Rakkhat on pad 5 or no-portal Mantikora, you're going to need a build that is something like "the meta."

Ha ha ha.. that's right, I do pick flowers, reagents, ores, mats and all that jazz. I have tons and never need anyone to craft anything for me or potentially get ripped off when trying to buy some of those from some randoms on zone chats. Nice quote, by the way. There are definitely intelligent folks playing this game, other than masses of potentially brain cells-challenged folks.

Anyways, dude or dudette, this is just a ffing video game. You have mistaken me for someone who cares about leaders board or how much more dps you have than someone else. Get off your high mount. You sound just like an elitist wannabe joker. You can burn whatever you want when you have 8-9 dpsers, 2 healers constantly spamming heal over everybody and tanks able to do their jobs by keeping the boss at bay so all those dd/dpsers can do what dpsers are supposed to do. Well, good for you and all you constantly vying to be on or get on top of the leaders board; if it's what gives you all meaning and relevance. However, for me, it's just a video game for entertainment and no need to be some ESO bad asses or hardcore gamers. I have plenty of other real world things that give me meaning, relevancy and fulfillment; but, if being a bad ass or Gods of ESO gives you that, then it's all good.

However, it is quite hilarious, though, when posting things on this forum and just sharing your view, build and whatnot, then, it never fails to have some elitist wannabe jump on your post and comments bashing and whatever.. i.e., you suck, your build sucks, you suck because you're not on the leaders board or showing Flawless on your title. Get the hell outta here, just a damn video game. Play with whatever build/setup you want and enjoy the game. I don't need to be on what world first this, world first to that group or guild. Cool, if those of you are all that, but, you don't need 50 to 100 dps or be on any leaders board to get through any PvE contents, or endgames, or to enjoy ESO.

That's all well and good, but ... what does any of this have to do with a discussion in which OP very clearly asks for Meta PvE StamDK builds? Why is it necessary to insert your "I don't follow the meta" rant into this discussion? Who cares? This isn't your soapbox.

To the OP, our group runs the following stam DPS comp:

StamDK 1: Sunderflame + Hunding's/VO/Briarheart + Velidreth/Kra'gh
StamDK 2: Morag Tong + Hunding's/VO/Briarheart + Velidreth/Kra'gh
Stamplar: NMG + War Machine + Stormfist/Kra'gh
Stamblade: VO + War Machine/Hunding's + Velidreth/Kra'gh
StamDK 3: Hunding's + VO + Velidreth/Kra'gh

Sometimes the third StamDK and the stamplar switch, so the stamDK runs NMG + VO/Hunding's and the stamplar runs War Machine + Automaton/Hunding's.

Of course, the third stamDK is only there for some content (we run 5 stam in vHoF but only 4 in vMoL, for instance).

To that end, most of the stamDKs try to have Sunderflame, Morag Tong, VO, and Hunding's available, because different content calls for different stuff (VO is really nice in vHoF for instance), and it's nice to be able to flex gear around if people can't make a raid.

Of your proposed setups, I'd recommend Morag Tong (which is a really nice buff to stam DPS and particularly the other stamDKs in the group) + Hunding's + Velidreth.

Loralai_907 · December 2017

This has legit been the most interesting and informative thread I have read on the forums in ages. I don't have the time to watch everyone's 30 minute videos to figure out why we want to put set A with set B, and if we do, what happens. I also don't have the time nor does my brain care enough to figure it out on my own. I need to know for later, but I don't want to sort it out on my own. So thanks again all you brilliant and lovely people!

Ohhgrizyyy · December 2017

LiquidPony wrote: »

GreenhaloX wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Milvan wrote: »

GreenhaloX wrote: »

I never use NMG or even VO, really; but hey, if it works for you, it's cool. To me, though.. NMG, for one, crit needs to hit in order to activate it, and it's not all that when it does hit. For my StamDK, I don't use Hunding or the Thief boon. I slot Warrior boon, so, I don't have a lot of crit chance. I prefer higher stamina and weapon damage build. Plus, the Noxious Breath fairs quite well in breaking down the target's spell/physical resist, and you hit multiple targets with this. As for the VO, of course you have to kill the target to get the stam replenished. To me, heavy attack with a 2H fairs quite well in replenishing the stamina. Plus now, you get an extra 25% with the Revitalizing passive. I also don't follow Meta. To me, it is just like when a crowd has gathered to protest something. Some people just go there because there's a crowd, and a lot don't even know what or why they are protesting. Meta (and BiS, as well) is just something a lot of people think something should be, and it really doesn't work for everyone. Again, well, if it works for you, then, it's all good.

Anyways, on my 2H StamDK, I use 5x Ravaging and 5x Sword Singers and a Molag Kena helm. It's a casual set and nothing fancy, but it still works quite well in cutting or melting down anything in PvE land. I just like the perk of the 5-piece Ravaging. Oh, when that hits and you get that orange-ish glow around you, I pop Rally, and that overall weapon damage rating just skyrockets. With the previous Wrath, I was hitting well over 5k; heck, even into the mid-5k max weapon damage for PvE. Well, since they killed the Wrath passive, I'd now be in the high 4k or maybe hit 5k; it's still fine, though. Plus, the perk from the 5-piece Sword Singer for something like Wrecking Blow, Brawler or Executioner; it is just so juicy not to use it for a 2H stam build.

Even on my DW StamDK or StamPlar, I slot the Ravaging for a set; either with Spriggans, Viper or whatever other stam/weapon damage set. Heck, even the Shadow of the Red Mountain is looking kind of intriguing with the new perk from the 5-piece. Overall, for a StamDK, it is also about what skillsets you are slotting and the rotations. Any sets you have on as your build, if you are using good skillsets and rotations, you will be fine.

I don't mean to be rude, just a small heads up.

It's okay to play as you want. especially if you want to roleplay your way throught PVE overland content. But I'm pretty sure that OP is asking what's the meta not what's our opinion about the meta.

Also, if op wants to "get into PvE a bit more" he/she will definitely need to hit more than 5k dps. And by that I mean at least 6 times that.

5k dps.. ha ha ha. I can do more than that going around with just my fists and in underwear. Such an ignorant post/reply of your. Just because you may not like a set, and may not work for you, it doesn't mean it is not good or won't work for others. I say the same about NMG and Morug Tong. To me, both are crap sets, but it doesn't mean it is not good for somebody else. Also, for PvE, you really don't need VO as part of a damage dealing set. Good and nice to have, but not a must. Also, Meta is a matter of opinion. There is nothing official that dictates something to be meta. It is what folks think or believe the set, pieces, build, whatever, should be, and it doesn't mean it for everyone. I'm just sharing another concept/build on a very effective StamDK. If you or any don't think so, then, it's a matter of your opinion. It's cool.

To quote Douglas Adams:

"All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated and well supported in logic and argument than others."

Sure, "the meta" is an opinion ... but it's an evidence-based opinion derived from what people are using to achieve the highest leaderboard scores, the highest combat metrics parses, the highest raid skeleton parses, etc.

Calling NMG and Morag Tong "crap sets" is not a good opinion. You just don't like them. They're not bad.

But of course, different strokes for different folks. I'm sure your build is fine for picking flowers or fighting world bosses or whatever ... but when you want to burn Rakkhat on pad 5 or no-portal Mantikora, you're going to need a build that is something like "the meta."

Ha ha ha.. that's right, I do pick flowers, reagents, ores, mats and all that jazz. I have tons and never need anyone to craft anything for me or potentially get ripped off when trying to buy some of those from some randoms on zone chats. Nice quote, by the way. There are definitely intelligent folks playing this game, other than masses of potentially brain cells-challenged folks.

Anyways, dude or dudette, this is just a ffing video game. You have mistaken me for someone who cares about leaders board or how much more dps you have than someone else. Get off your high mount. You sound just like an elitist wannabe joker. You can burn whatever you want when you have 8-9 dpsers, 2 healers constantly spamming heal over everybody and tanks able to do their jobs by keeping the boss at bay so all those dd/dpsers can do what dpsers are supposed to do. Well, good for you and all you constantly vying to be on or get on top of the leaders board; if it's what gives you all meaning and relevance. However, for me, it's just a video game for entertainment and no need to be some ESO bad asses or hardcore gamers. I have plenty of other real world things that give me meaning, relevancy and fulfillment; but, if being a bad ass or Gods of ESO gives you that, then it's all good.

However, it is quite hilarious, though, when posting things on this forum and just sharing your view, build and whatnot, then, it never fails to have some elitist wannabe jump on your post and comments bashing and whatever.. i.e., you suck, your build sucks, you suck because you're not on the leaders board or showing Flawless on your title. Get the hell outta here, just a damn video game. Play with whatever build/setup you want and enjoy the game. I don't need to be on what world first this, world first to that group or guild. Cool, if those of you are all that, but, you don't need 50 to 100 dps or be on any leaders board to get through any PvE contents, or endgames, or to enjoy ESO.

That's all well and good, but ... what does any of this have to do with a discussion in which OP very clearly asks for Meta PvE StamDK builds? Why is it necessary to insert your "I don't follow the meta" rant into this discussion? Who cares? This isn't your soapbox.

To the OP, our group runs the following stam DPS comp:

StamDK 1: Sunderflame + Hunding's/VO/Briarheart + Velidreth/Kra'gh
StamDK 2: Morag Tong + Hunding's/VO/Briarheart + Velidreth/Kra'gh
Stamplar: NMG + War Machine + Stormfist/Kra'gh
Stamblade: VO + War Machine/Hunding's + Velidreth/Kra'gh
StamDK 3: Hunding's + VO + Velidreth/Kra'gh

Sometimes the third StamDK and the stamplar switch, so the stamDK runs NMG + VO/Hunding's and the stamplar runs War Machine + Automaton/Hunding's.

Of course, the third stamDK is only there for some content (we run 5 stam in vHoF but only 4 in vMoL, for instance).

To that end, most of the stamDKs try to have Sunderflame, Morag Tong, VO, and Hunding's available, because different content calls for different stuff (VO is really nice in vHoF for instance), and it's nice to be able to flex gear around if people can't make a raid.

Of your proposed setups, I'd recommend Morag Tong (which is a really nice buff to stam DPS and particularly the other stamDKs in the group) + Hunding's + Velidreth.

What about NMG and Morag combined?

BuddyAces · December 2017

GreenhaloX wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Milvan wrote: »

GreenhaloX wrote: »

I never use NMG or even VO, really; but hey, if it works for you, it's cool. To me, though.. NMG, for one, crit needs to hit in order to activate it, and it's not all that when it does hit. For my StamDK, I don't use Hunding or the Thief boon. I slot Warrior boon, so, I don't have a lot of crit chance. I prefer higher stamina and weapon damage build. Plus, the Noxious Breath fairs quite well in breaking down the target's spell/physical resist, and you hit multiple targets with this. As for the VO, of course you have to kill the target to get the stam replenished. To me, heavy attack with a 2H fairs quite well in replenishing the stamina. Plus now, you get an extra 25% with the Revitalizing passive. I also don't follow Meta. To me, it is just like when a crowd has gathered to protest something. Some people just go there because there's a crowd, and a lot don't even know what or why they are protesting. Meta (and BiS, as well) is just something a lot of people think something should be, and it really doesn't work for everyone. Again, well, if it works for you, then, it's all good.

Anyways, on my 2H StamDK, I use 5x Ravaging and 5x Sword Singers and a Molag Kena helm. It's a casual set and nothing fancy, but it still works quite well in cutting or melting down anything in PvE land. I just like the perk of the 5-piece Ravaging. Oh, when that hits and you get that orange-ish glow around you, I pop Rally, and that overall weapon damage rating just skyrockets. With the previous Wrath, I was hitting well over 5k; heck, even into the mid-5k max weapon damage for PvE. Well, since they killed the Wrath passive, I'd now be in the high 4k or maybe hit 5k; it's still fine, though. Plus, the perk from the 5-piece Sword Singer for something like Wrecking Blow, Brawler or Executioner; it is just so juicy not to use it for a 2H stam build.

Even on my DW StamDK or StamPlar, I slot the Ravaging for a set; either with Spriggans, Viper or whatever other stam/weapon damage set. Heck, even the Shadow of the Red Mountain is looking kind of intriguing with the new perk from the 5-piece. Overall, for a StamDK, it is also about what skillsets you are slotting and the rotations. Any sets you have on as your build, if you are using good skillsets and rotations, you will be fine.

I don't mean to be rude, just a small heads up.

It's okay to play as you want. especially if you want to roleplay your way throught PVE overland content. But I'm pretty sure that OP is asking what's the meta not what's our opinion about the meta.

Also, if op wants to "get into PvE a bit more" he/she will definitely need to hit more than 5k dps. And by that I mean at least 6 times that.

5k dps.. ha ha ha. I can do more than that going around with just my fists and in underwear. Such an ignorant post/reply of your. Just because you may not like a set, and may not work for you, it doesn't mean it is not good or won't work for others. I say the same about NMG and Morug Tong. To me, both are crap sets, but it doesn't mean it is not good for somebody else. Also, for PvE, you really don't need VO as part of a damage dealing set. Good and nice to have, but not a must. Also, Meta is a matter of opinion. There is nothing official that dictates something to be meta. It is what folks think or believe the set, pieces, build, whatever, should be, and it doesn't mean it for everyone. I'm just sharing another concept/build on a very effective StamDK. If you or any don't think so, then, it's a matter of your opinion. It's cool.

To quote Douglas Adams:

"All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated and well supported in logic and argument than others."

Sure, "the meta" is an opinion ... but it's an evidence-based opinion derived from what people are using to achieve the highest leaderboard scores, the highest combat metrics parses, the highest raid skeleton parses, etc.

Calling NMG and Morag Tong "crap sets" is not a good opinion. You just don't like them. They're not bad.

But of course, different strokes for different folks. I'm sure your build is fine for picking flowers or fighting world bosses or whatever ... but when you want to burn Rakkhat on pad 5 or no-portal Mantikora, you're going to need a build that is something like "the meta."

Ha ha ha.. that's right, I do pick flowers, reagents, ores, mats and all that jazz. I have tons and never need anyone to craft anything for me or potentially get ripped off when trying to buy some of those from some randoms on zone chats. Nice quote, by the way. There are definitely intelligent folks playing this game, other than masses of potentially brain cells-challenged folks.

Anyways, dude or dudette, this is just a ffing video game. You have mistaken me for someone who cares about leaders board or how much more dps you have than someone else. Get off your high mount. You sound just like an elitist wannabe joker. You can burn whatever you want when you have 8-9 dpsers, 2 healers constantly spamming heal over everybody and tanks able to do their jobs by keeping the boss at bay so all those dd/dpsers can do what dpsers are supposed to do. Well, good for you and all you constantly vying to be on or get on top of the leaders board; if it's what gives you all meaning and relevance. However, for me, it's just a video game for entertainment and no need to be some ESO bad asses or hardcore gamers. I have plenty of other real world things that give me meaning, relevancy and fulfillment; but, if being a bad ass or Gods of ESO gives you that, then it's all good.

However, it is quite hilarious, though, when posting things on this forum and just sharing your view, build and whatnot, then, it never fails to have some elitist wannabe jump on your post and comments bashing and whatever.. i.e., you suck, your build sucks, you suck because you're not on the leaders board or showing Flawless on your title. Get the hell outta here, just a damn video game. Play with whatever build/setup you want and enjoy the game. I don't need to be on what world first this, world first to that group or guild. Cool, if those of you are all that, but, you don't need 50 to 100 dps or be on any leaders board to get through any PvE contents, or endgames, or to enjoy ESO.

You do realize that you wandered into a thread where the OP specifically asked what the meta is right?

LiquidPony · December 2017

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

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I never use NMG or even VO, really; but hey, if it works for you, it's cool. To me, though.. NMG, for one, crit needs to hit in order to activate it, and it's not all that when it does hit. For my StamDK, I don't use Hunding or the Thief boon. I slot Warrior boon, so, I don't have a lot of crit chance. I prefer higher stamina and weapon damage build. Plus, the Noxious Breath fairs quite well in breaking down the target's spell/physical resist, and you hit multiple targets with this. As for the VO, of course you have to kill the target to get the stam replenished. To me, heavy attack with a 2H fairs quite well in replenishing the stamina. Plus now, you get an extra 25% with the Revitalizing passive. I also don't follow Meta. To me, it is just like when a crowd has gathered to protest something. Some people just go there because there's a crowd, and a lot don't even know what or why they are protesting. Meta (and BiS, as well) is just something a lot of people think something should be, and it really doesn't work for everyone. Again, well, if it works for you, then, it's all good.

Anyways, on my 2H StamDK, I use 5x Ravaging and 5x Sword Singers and a Molag Kena helm. It's a casual set and nothing fancy, but it still works quite well in cutting or melting down anything in PvE land. I just like the perk of the 5-piece Ravaging. Oh, when that hits and you get that orange-ish glow around you, I pop Rally, and that overall weapon damage rating just skyrockets. With the previous Wrath, I was hitting well over 5k; heck, even into the mid-5k max weapon damage for PvE. Well, since they killed the Wrath passive, I'd now be in the high 4k or maybe hit 5k; it's still fine, though. Plus, the perk from the 5-piece Sword Singer for something like Wrecking Blow, Brawler or Executioner; it is just so juicy not to use it for a 2H stam build.

Even on my DW StamDK or StamPlar, I slot the Ravaging for a set; either with Spriggans, Viper or whatever other stam/weapon damage set. Heck, even the Shadow of the Red Mountain is looking kind of intriguing with the new perk from the 5-piece. Overall, for a StamDK, it is also about what skillsets you are slotting and the rotations. Any sets you have on as your build, if you are using good skillsets and rotations, you will be fine.

I don't mean to be rude, just a small heads up.

It's okay to play as you want. especially if you want to roleplay your way throught PVE overland content. But I'm pretty sure that OP is asking what's the meta not what's our opinion about the meta.

Also, if op wants to "get into PvE a bit more" he/she will definitely need to hit more than 5k dps. And by that I mean at least 6 times that.

5k dps.. ha ha ha. I can do more than that going around with just my fists and in underwear. Such an ignorant post/reply of your. Just because you may not like a set, and may not work for you, it doesn't mean it is not good or won't work for others. I say the same about NMG and Morug Tong. To me, both are crap sets, but it doesn't mean it is not good for somebody else. Also, for PvE, you really don't need VO as part of a damage dealing set. Good and nice to have, but not a must. Also, Meta is a matter of opinion. There is nothing official that dictates something to be meta. It is what folks think or believe the set, pieces, build, whatever, should be, and it doesn't mean it for everyone. I'm just sharing another concept/build on a very effective StamDK. If you or any don't think so, then, it's a matter of your opinion. It's cool.

To quote Douglas Adams:

"All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated and well supported in logic and argument than others."

Sure, "the meta" is an opinion ... but it's an evidence-based opinion derived from what people are using to achieve the highest leaderboard scores, the highest combat metrics parses, the highest raid skeleton parses, etc.

Calling NMG and Morag Tong "crap sets" is not a good opinion. You just don't like them. They're not bad.

But of course, different strokes for different folks. I'm sure your build is fine for picking flowers or fighting world bosses or whatever ... but when you want to burn Rakkhat on pad 5 or no-portal Mantikora, you're going to need a build that is something like "the meta."

Ha ha ha.. that's right, I do pick flowers, reagents, ores, mats and all that jazz. I have tons and never need anyone to craft anything for me or potentially get ripped off when trying to buy some of those from some randoms on zone chats. Nice quote, by the way. There are definitely intelligent folks playing this game, other than masses of potentially brain cells-challenged folks.

Anyways, dude or dudette, this is just a ffing video game. You have mistaken me for someone who cares about leaders board or how much more dps you have than someone else. Get off your high mount. You sound just like an elitist wannabe joker. You can burn whatever you want when you have 8-9 dpsers, 2 healers constantly spamming heal over everybody and tanks able to do their jobs by keeping the boss at bay so all those dd/dpsers can do what dpsers are supposed to do. Well, good for you and all you constantly vying to be on or get on top of the leaders board; if it's what gives you all meaning and relevance. However, for me, it's just a video game for entertainment and no need to be some ESO bad asses or hardcore gamers. I have plenty of other real world things that give me meaning, relevancy and fulfillment; but, if being a bad ass or Gods of ESO gives you that, then it's all good.

However, it is quite hilarious, though, when posting things on this forum and just sharing your view, build and whatnot, then, it never fails to have some elitist wannabe jump on your post and comments bashing and whatever.. i.e., you suck, your build sucks, you suck because you're not on the leaders board or showing Flawless on your title. Get the hell outta here, just a damn video game. Play with whatever build/setup you want and enjoy the game. I don't need to be on what world first this, world first to that group or guild. Cool, if those of you are all that, but, you don't need 50 to 100 dps or be on any leaders board to get through any PvE contents, or endgames, or to enjoy ESO.

That's all well and good, but ... what does any of this have to do with a discussion in which OP very clearly asks for Meta PvE StamDK builds? Why is it necessary to insert your "I don't follow the meta" rant into this discussion? Who cares? This isn't your soapbox.

To the OP, our group runs the following stam DPS comp:

StamDK 1: Sunderflame + Hunding's/VO/Briarheart + Velidreth/Kra'gh
StamDK 2: Morag Tong + Hunding's/VO/Briarheart + Velidreth/Kra'gh
Stamplar: NMG + War Machine + Stormfist/Kra'gh
Stamblade: VO + War Machine/Hunding's + Velidreth/Kra'gh
StamDK 3: Hunding's + VO + Velidreth/Kra'gh

Sometimes the third StamDK and the stamplar switch, so the stamDK runs NMG + VO/Hunding's and the stamplar runs War Machine + Automaton/Hunding's.

Of course, the third stamDK is only there for some content (we run 5 stam in vHoF but only 4 in vMoL, for instance).

To that end, most of the stamDKs try to have Sunderflame, Morag Tong, VO, and Hunding's available, because different content calls for different stuff (VO is really nice in vHoF for instance), and it's nice to be able to flex gear around if people can't make a raid.

Of your proposed setups, I'd recommend Morag Tong (which is a really nice buff to stam DPS and particularly the other stamDKs in the group) + Hunding's + Velidreth.

What about NMG and Morag combined?

We generally don't have anyone running 2 "buff sets," unless one of those people is a stamplar/stamblade and one of those sets is War Machine.

Two reasons: first, there's going to be a huge DPS disparity between the person running NMG/Morag Tong and the person next to them who gets to run VO/Hunding's. Second, your whole stam team takes a huge DPS loss if the person wearing 2 buff sets dies. For the second reason primarily we like to keep the buff sets spread out evenly across the group.