Gamespace and MassivelyOP MMO of the Year 2017

exiars10 · December 2017

At least Steam stats are public (I play via it

Arv_Morvis · December 2017

duendology wrote: »

*waits for the first one to post: "not true, ESO's been dying"*

I find this funny because in every MMO game I've played in the past 10 years there is always one form or another of this posted in their respective forums

I don't know if its from people with too much time on their hands or a combination of a armchair general trying to evoke panic lol

Anyway i'm glad this recurring trend is here as well haha

Anzriel · December 2017

Arv_Morvis wrote: »

duendology wrote: »

*waits for the first one to post: "not true, ESO's been dying"*

I find this funny because in every MMO game I've played in the past 10 years there is always one form or another of this posted in their respective forums

I don't know if its from people with too much time on their hands or a combination of a armchair general trying to evoke panic lol

Anyway i'm glad this recurring trend is here as well haha

I think it's more along the lines that people usually play with people of similar interest. So when the people around them get bored and leave, then they get bored and leave it feels as if the game is "dying" to them, even if it's completely subjective.

zaria · December 2017

lordrichter wrote: »

Arthur_Spoonfondle wrote: »

10,000,000 players? Are they having a laugh?

The article was rather free with that statistic, implying that there are 10 million people actively playing. All ZOS has ever said is that 10 million accounts were created, which does mean 10 million players. We have no idea what the active player count is, but in a B2P game, most of them could be active, or at least able to be made active.

I was in the game yesterday and there were thousands (and I do mean thousands) playing. It is not like no one plays.

You have multiple metrics, one is how many have bought the game, this includes sales, might even include trial accounts.
Then you have number of players logged in at once. this tend to be 17K or something by the steam interface. However you don't need the steam interface for eso even if you bought it by steam as it uses its own launcher and don't use steam drm.
Lots also bought it outside of steam so multiply with 3-5. Note that this is players logged in at once, so it bundles EU and US even if they don't play at the same hours.
Finally you have active players, for sub games its if they subscribe. Is someone who play a few hour a week active?

Grabmoore · December 2017

Vaoh wrote: »

I really dislike the whole 10mil players thing.

ESO has plenty of players but we shouldn’t be throwing out these ridiculous numbers to try to sound better.

10 million accounts created does not equal 10 million players. There are so many bots, and mass amounts of players quit at launch or during disappointing patches for various reasons. I was legit once part of 5 full 500-member guilds that completely went offline (except for me ofc) after not even 3 months had past since launch.

So? You know it's marketing. Noone truely believes we have that many players.

Also this mass exodus you mentioned is a console thing. Understandably so. In the mean time , my guild on PC went from 50 players to 500 Now within the last 2 years.

ESO has it's flaws, but so do others. I can't tell which MMO did more than ESO this year.

Elsonso · December 2017

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Arthur_Spoonfondle wrote: »

10,000,000 players? Are they having a laugh?

The article was rather free with that statistic, implying that there are 10 million people actively playing. All ZOS has ever said is that 10 million accounts were created, which does mean 10 million players. We have no idea what the active player count is, but in a B2P game, most of them could be active, or at least able to be made active.

I was in the game yesterday and there were thousands (and I do mean thousands) playing. It is not like no one plays.

I mean ZOS is pretty loose with the 10 million comment as well. We dont know if that counts bots, or duplicate accounts or not.

We, meaning the collective intelligence of the forum (as low as that might be), seem to feel that it includes everything. Players, duplicates, bots, gold sellers, banned... everything.

Nifty2g wrote: »

A lot of games talk about how many copies they've sold, they never said active players.

Bethesda Softworks is a publisher of single player games. ESO and Legends were really their first journey into the realm of online gaming where people can come and go. I think they do tend to fall back on familiar metrics, like number of copies sold, and in this case, number of accounts created. It is just the model that Bethesda is used to, and for an online game, it is just vague enough to prevent people from pinning them down to actual live player counts.

Still, 10 million accounts created is not nothing, and does represent a significant milestone in the game. As long as they can keep expanding that number, and do it as fast or faster than people leave the game, they should be able to do well with ESO.

Banana · December 2017

But I dont play anything else

boombazookajd · December 2017

Like I said,

Y'ALL WILL COMPLAIN ABOUT ANYTHING!

andreasv · December 2017

This page seem to favour quantity over quality.
Morrowind was anything but a stellar DLC, and 10 million players is a straight up lie.
Further down the page they award the Nintendo Switch the system of the year because (again) 10 million units have been sold. I mean the Switch over the Xbox One X.
Meaningless awards.

Grabmoore · December 2017

andreasv wrote: »

This page seem to favour quantity over quality.
Morrowind was anything but a stellar DLC, and 10 million players is a straight up lie.
Further down the page they award the Nintendo Switch the system of the year because (again) 10 million units have been sold. I mean the Switch over the Xbox One X.
Meaningless awards.

Your opinion. Imo switch was a milestone in gaming Industry, while I didn't even notice xbox 1 x (what a name) at all.

WillhelmBlack · December 2017

Who?

Doctordarkspawn · December 2017

lordrichter wrote: »

Arthur_Spoonfondle wrote: »

10,000,000 players? Are they having a laugh?

The article was rather free with that statistic, implying that there are 10 million people actively playing. All ZOS has ever said is that 10 million accounts were created, which does mean 10 million players. We have no idea what the active player count is, but in a B2P game, most of them could be active, or at least able to be made active.

I was in the game yesterday and there were thousands (and I do mean thousands) playing. It is not like no one plays.

Implying, but I would be very *** suprised to hear that is the case.

It's much more likely they were given the statistic of 10 million accounts created, and ran with it, and ZOS never ment to correct them.

It also does not take into account how many are bots.

Rouven · December 2017

Grabmoore wrote: »

andreasv wrote: »

This page seem to favour quantity over quality.
Morrowind was anything but a stellar DLC, and 10 million players is a straight up lie.
Further down the page they award the Nintendo Switch the system of the year because (again) 10 million units have been sold. I mean the Switch over the Xbox One X.
Meaningless awards.

Your opinion. Imo switch was a milestone in gaming Industry, while I didn't even notice xbox 1 x (what a name) at all.

I agree switches are a lot more important. I have quite a few in my house but no boxes with xes on it.

Ok, I'll go in the corner.

So congrats ESO on winning the cup - now we just need a coach to come out and tell us how you will keep on training harder to continue and improve your game for the next season

Just do it!

Elsonso · December 2017

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Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Arthur_Spoonfondle wrote: »

10,000,000 players? Are they having a laugh?

The article was rather free with that statistic, implying that there are 10 million people actively playing. All ZOS has ever said is that 10 million accounts were created, which does mean 10 million players. We have no idea what the active player count is, but in a B2P game, most of them could be active, or at least able to be made active.

I was in the game yesterday and there were thousands (and I do mean thousands) playing. It is not like no one plays.

Implying, but I would be very *** suprised to hear that is the case.

It's much more likely they were given the statistic of 10 million accounts created, and ran with it, and ZOS never ment to correct them.

It also does not take into account how many are bots.

Right. The number probably includes banned and duplicates, as well as active bots (player and commercial). A better metric is how many of the accounts could be made active, since this represents the current potential for the game. It is a number that they know, but will never share.

andreasv · December 2017

Grabmoore wrote: »

andreasv wrote: »

This page seem to favour quantity over quality.
Morrowind was anything but a stellar DLC, and 10 million players is a straight up lie.
Further down the page they award the Nintendo Switch the system of the year because (again) 10 million units have been sold. I mean the Switch over the Xbox One X.
Meaningless awards.

Your opinion. Imo switch was a milestone in gaming Industry, while I didn't even notice xbox 1 x (what a name) at all.

Rouven wrote: »

Grabmoore wrote: »

andreasv wrote: »

This page seem to favour quantity over quality.
Morrowind was anything but a stellar DLC, and 10 million players is a straight up lie.
Further down the page they award the Nintendo Switch the system of the year because (again) 10 million units have been sold. I mean the Switch over the Xbox One X.
Meaningless awards.

Your opinion. Imo switch was a milestone in gaming Industry, while I didn't even notice xbox 1 x (what a name) at all.

I agree switches are a lot more important. I have quite a few in my house but no boxes with xes on it.

...

It's not about wether @Rouven and @Grabmoore are enjoying their systems but about one system aiming to be a home console and handheld and it's not doing a great job at either of those claims. Whereas the other was announced as the most powerful console on the market. And the One X has achieved that, whilst shrinking in size and doing it whisper quiet.

Elsonso · December 2017

Rouven wrote: »

Grabmoore wrote: »

andreasv wrote: »

This page seem to favour quantity over quality.
Morrowind was anything but a stellar DLC, and 10 million players is a straight up lie.
Further down the page they award the Nintendo Switch the system of the year because (again) 10 million units have been sold. I mean the Switch over the Xbox One X.
Meaningless awards.

Your opinion. Imo switch was a milestone in gaming Industry, while I didn't even notice xbox 1 x (what a name) at all.

I agree switches are a lot more important. I have quite a few in my house but no boxes with xes on it.

Ok, I'll go in the corner.

So congrats ESO on winning the cup - now we just need a coach to come out and tell us how you will keep on training harder to continue and improve your game for the next season Just do it!

Dang. I am trying to decide whether to give the first part an Awesome, or the second part an Agree. Curse you for making me make decisions.

Junipus · December 2017

The game was dying before it came out and it'll be dying after it's dead.

Everyone knows the 10 million is marketing nonsense but they all pretend it's true. Like when you lie to your better half that they don't look fat in that muffin top.

This award is only worth the small PR value they can get out of it, which is slightly less than the macaroni and glue cardboard award that Billy the chromosomally challenged jammed through their letterbox.

HighKinlady · December 2017

10 million accounts .. how many of those are the bot accounts we see everyday ?

leepalmer95 · December 2017

lordrichter wrote: »

Arthur_Spoonfondle wrote: »

10,000,000 players? Are they having a laugh?

The article was rather free with that statistic, implying that there are 10 million people actively playing. All ZOS has ever said is that 10 million accounts were created, which does mean 10 million players. We have no idea what the active player count is, but in a B2P game, most of them could be active, or at least able to be made active.

I was in the game yesterday and there were thousands (and I do mean thousands) playing. It is not like no one plays.

Ps4 eu is pretty dead.

Wonder how many of those 10m are bots or player who played for a week and never again.

How many of them was from the free week.

Got to love how companies inflate stats and not exactly lie but not tell the truth with them either.

I don't consider breaking the game every 3 months with 1 big update as regular content updates either.

Juju_beans · December 2017

HighKinlady wrote: »

10 million accounts .. how many of those are the bot accounts we see everyday ?

Well the way some posters on here feel you probably have 5 real players and the other 9,999,995 are all bots

I see other players when I'm out questing and such. Sure I see some bots but the ESO world is populated enough that I don't get the feeling that the game is dying.

Smmokkee · December 2017

Its not like its hard to be the best mmo in a market of saturated cash grab mmos.

THWIP71 · December 2017

Smmokkee wrote: »

Its not like its hard to be the best mmo in a market of saturated cash grab mmos.

Wait...are you saying ESO is NOT a "cash grab"??

Vaoh · December 2017

Grabmoore wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

I really dislike the whole 10mil players thing.

ESO has plenty of players but we shouldn’t be throwing out these ridiculous numbers to try to sound better.

10 million accounts created does not equal 10 million players. There are so many bots, and mass amounts of players quit at launch or during disappointing patches for various reasons. I was legit once part of 5 full 500-member guilds that completely went offline (except for me ofc) after not even 3 months had past since launch.

So? You know it's marketing. Noone truely believes we have that many players.

Also this mass exodus you mentioned is a console thing. Understandably so. In the mean time , my guild on PC went from 50 players to 500 Now within the last 2 years.

ESO has it's flaws, but so do others. I can't tell which MMO did more than ESO this year.

I know you can setup 500 player guilds with the current playerbase, but what I meant by that was the extent of how many players left the game after 1-2 months from console launch.

This game is definitely doing very well though as a whole. Specific populations in-game are abused though (endgame PvE trial ppl, PvP ppl) so they are not doing well at all population-wise.

SHADOW2KK · December 2017

makerofthings wrote: »

Seems weird since the forums say this game is dying. Guess not. Congrats ESO. You had my vote.

People been saying that since PC closed beta days.

altemriel · December 2017

exiars10 wrote: »

At least Steam stats are public (I play via it ):
http://steamcharts.com/app/306130

http://steamcharts.com/app/306130#All

kyle.wilson · December 2017

The 10 million accounts is a misleading number. Considering that about 30% of my friends haven't been on in 2 months, and they were all devoted players for a long time.
Plus, they multi count players that have multiple accounts.

Bhaal5 · December 2017

There is a difference between having 10 million accounts registered and having 10 million accounts active. Statistics can say what you want, if used "correctly".

GreenhaloX · December 2017

lordrichter wrote: »

In case you missed it:

https://www.gamespace.com/featured/the-gamespace-game-of-the-year-awards/?utm_source=SocialMedia&utm_medium=bitly

"MMO OF THE YEAR – ELDER SCROLLS ONLINE

Few games in the MMO space continue to gain new players month after month, and the Elder Scrolls Online from Zenimax Online Studios and Bethesda is one of the lucky few. It doesn’t hurt that it also keeps getting some of the best regular content updates in all of MMO-dom, including this year’s stellar Morrowind expansion and Clockwork City DLC. With now over 10 mln players worldwide, ESO is here to stay."

Ok.. congrats to Bethesda and all those involved in the development of ESO. However, not hating or taking away any glory from this, but, how big of a deal is this? I mean, Gamespace.. what is Gamespace and how big of a deal or luxurious would it be to receive a award from them? I actually never heard of Gamespace until now. What would this do for ESO.. does it increase its status somehow or some way? I guess I just can't see a game with so many bugs and issues getting game of a year for something; unless the technical aspects isn't included in how a game is reviewed and eventually chosen for the award. That loading screen crapshoot that occurred with CWC for almost a month before the patch was actually installed, for example, and not to mention all the reoccurring bugs, lags, and crashes throughout the years, and all issues/bugs occurring with every new DLC, additions and anniversary events. Heck, we have issues currently going on with this New Life Festival.

Anyways, for whatever or how much it holds weight to this award, still congrats for what it's worth. Although, I can't see it being much.

Elsonso · December 2017

GreenhaloX wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

In case you missed it:

https://www.gamespace.com/featured/the-gamespace-game-of-the-year-awards/?utm_source=SocialMedia&utm_medium=bitly

"MMO OF THE YEAR – ELDER SCROLLS ONLINE

Few games in the MMO space continue to gain new players month after month, and the Elder Scrolls Online from Zenimax Online Studios and Bethesda is one of the lucky few. It doesn’t hurt that it also keeps getting some of the best regular content updates in all of MMO-dom, including this year’s stellar Morrowind expansion and Clockwork City DLC. With now over 10 mln players worldwide, ESO is here to stay."

Ok.. congrats to Bethesda and all those involved in the development of ESO. However, not hating or taking away any glory from this, but, how big of a deal is this? I mean, Gamespace.. what is Gamespace and how big of a deal or luxurious would it be to receive a award from them? I actually never heard of Gamespace until now.

The guy who wrote that is the Managing Editor over at MMORPG. That website loves to rank MMO games, but this year, they just seem to be writing articles.

Ragnarock41 · December 2017

what is gamespace again?