Arthur_Spoonfondle wrote: »

10,000,000 players? Are they having a laugh?

The article was rather free with that statistic, implying that there are 10 million people actively playing. All ZOS has ever said is that 10 million accounts were created, which does mean 10 million players. We have no idea what the active player count is, but in a B2P game, most of them could be active, or at least able to be made active.

I was in the game yesterday and there were thousands (and I do mean thousands) playing. It is not like no one plays.

*waits for the first one to post: "not true, ESO's been dying"*

Dymence wrote: »

alanmatillab16_ESO wrote: »

Arthur_Spoonfondle wrote: »

10,000,000 players? Are they having a laugh?

Even if the true figure is half that it is still more than WoW has and they are supposed to be "the" mmo others gauge their success in terms of accounts against.

Smeg, even if it is a 10th of that it is still impressive considering the server design.

There is absolutely no way ESO has a larger active playerbase than WoW.

No one knows what the active player base in wow is anymore since Blizzard does not provide sub numbers.
But you can bet they have been losing subs since CRZ is implemented everywhere.

Seems weird since the forums say this game is dying. Guess not. Congrats ESO. You had my vote.

duendology wrote: »

*waits for the first one to post: "not true, ESO's been dying"*

*plot twist*

Turns out it's you! dun dun duuuun

ESO may have 10 million accounts created ... BUT 5 million are bot farmers, currently killing wolves on Stros M'kai... AND the other 4 million are extra accounts created so people can have their own guild banks.

lordrichter wrote: »

Arthur_Spoonfondle wrote: »

10,000,000 players? Are they having a laugh?

The article was rather free with that statistic, implying that there are 10 million people actively playing. All ZOS has ever said is that 10 million accounts were created, which does mean 10 million players. We have no idea what the active player count is, but in a B2P game, most of them could be active, or at least able to be made active.

I was in the game yesterday and there were thousands (and I do mean thousands) playing. It is not like no one plays.

I mean ZOS is pretty loose with the 10 million comment as well. We dont know if that counts bots, or duplicate accounts or not.

Nifty2g wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

I really dislike the whole 10mil players thing.

ESO has plenty of players but we shouldn’t be throwing out these ridiculous numbers to try to sound better.

10 million accounts created does not equal 10 million players. There are so many bots, and mass amounts of players quit at launch or during disappointing patches for various reasons. I was legit once part of 5 full 500-member guilds that completely went offline (except for me ofc) after not even 3 months had past since launch.

A lot of games talk about how many copies they've sold, they never said active players.

It would be different if this was the number of copies they have sold, but on the the xbox at least, one copy of the game can give you 10+ accounts created. Many people on the xbox created random tags to get 10 gamertags into a guild so they can have their personal bank, or created an extra tag to be able to list more items on traders. You don't need a new game code or second copy to be able to do this. Thus these numbers are useless.

This would be the same as a car company using the number of Drivers that have every driven their cars, instead of number of people driving their cars currently. Half the people that drove their friends car might not have a car, might drive a different brand, or might even prefer to walk because the car was giving them too many problems and cost too much to make it worth it.

Darkonflare15 wrote: »

Blacknight841 wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

I really dislike the whole 10mil players thing.

ESO has plenty of players but we shouldn’t be throwing out these ridiculous numbers to try to sound better.

10 million accounts created does not equal 10 million players. There are so many bots, and mass amounts of players quit at launch or during disappointing patches for various reasons. I was legit once part of 5 full 500-member guilds that completely went offline (except for me ofc) after not even 3 months had past since launch.

A lot of games talk about how many copies they've sold, they never said active players.

It would be different if this was the number of copies they have sold, but on the the xbox at least, one copy of the game can give you 10+ accounts created. Many people on the xbox created random tags to get 10 gamertags into a guild so they can have their personal bank, or created an extra tag to be able to list more items on traders. You don't need a new game code or second copy to be able to do this. Thus these numbers are useless.

This would be the same as a car company using the number of Drivers that have every driven their cars, instead of number of people driving their cars currently. Half the people that drove their friends car might not have a car, might drive a different brand, or might even prefer to walk because the car was giving them too many problems and cost too much to make it worth it.

Well it is useful if it serves it purpose and that purpose is to say this game is thriving. That is all we need to know.

The xbox tracks percentage of players that get achievements in the game. The first achievement "soul shriven in coldharbour" awarded for escaping the wailing prison and talking to the prophet in the first starting town. According to xbox, 65.06% of the players that have played ESO have completed this. in other words 34.94% of the "accounts created" never actually completed the first quest on any character. I am not saying it is impossible to play the game without doing this, i am saying it is very unlikely. Now lets assume equal distribution of gamers across the three systems, giving xbox 3.33M accounts created. With this distribution, this means that at least 1,164,666 players never talked to the prophet in the first town. In essence 1/10 of the game never made it past the first quest on xbox alone, or in other words, completed the tutorial. Now i don't know the exact distribution, but the percentage of players that have completed the first quest is accurate according to xbox... so thriving is not exactly the word i would use to describe the game.

I do think this is a great game, and it would be an amazing game if the developers were to take the time to fix the imperfections, rather than try to crank out repetitive DLC. It is certainly deserving of Game Of The Year award in my books. However, using misleading numbers to promote the game is not the right approach.

Dymence wrote: »

alanmatillab16_ESO wrote: »

Arthur_Spoonfondle wrote: »

10,000,000 players? Are they having a laugh?

Even if the true figure is half that it is still more than WoW has and they are supposed to be "the" mmo others gauge their success in terms of accounts against.

Smeg, even if it is a 10th of that it is still impressive considering the server design.

There is absolutely no way ESO has a larger active playerbase than WoW.

WoW's playerbase has been declining since WoD came out. People get fed up with the attempts each expansion to simplify the combat and game itself, while more and more grinding is introduced. (Main reason I'm here imo).

lordrichter wrote: »

Arthur_Spoonfondle wrote: »

10,000,000 players? Are they having a laugh?

The article was rather free with that statistic, implying that there are 10 million people actively playing. All ZOS has ever said is that 10 million accounts were created, which does mean 10 million players. We have no idea what the active player count is, but in a B2P game, most of them could be active, or at least able to be made active.

I was in the game yesterday and there were thousands (and I do mean thousands) playing. It is not like no one plays.

Most of us die off, I know two other players with their own guilds that theyve had since launch. Many players overtime will become inactive for 3-12 months then return. The same problem I have with the game, it loses steam so fast. Especially when they mess with the balance all the time.