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SnB vs Bow?
Ohhgrizyyy
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This is me literally not knowing but why do most or all Stam builds run SnB vs Bow in PvP now? I personally think bow is alot of fun and thought poison injection is great and think draining shot is underrated asf so what's the issue? Wanting to know reasonings cause I'm gonna be building a stam sorc soon
Playing on PS4 NA server and current characters are CP 750
Lvl 50 EP High Elf Magsorc PvP (outdated)
Lvl 50 EP Wood Elf Nightblade (Currently my crafter)
Lvl 50 EP High Elf Magplar PvP (outdated healbot)
Lvl 50 EP Redguard Stam DK PvE (updating)
Lvl 50 EP Dark Elf Mag DK PvP
All my builds are outdated...I quit for a year lmao
PSN ID: SDL_Griz
Lvl 50 EP High Elf Magsorc PvP (outdated)
Lvl 50 EP Wood Elf Nightblade (Currently my crafter)
Lvl 50 EP High Elf Magplar PvP (outdated healbot)
Lvl 50 EP Redguard Stam DK PvE (updating)
Lvl 50 EP Dark Elf Mag DK PvP
All my builds are outdated...I quit for a year lmao
PSN ID: SDL_Griz
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T4T2FR34K✭✭✭✭✭Why not run both...I do...and if ur on PC they got a bunch of ways to exploit the game...like dressing room, if you got enough skill points u can run all of the weapons/armor/skills depending on the situation with just the click of a button...0 -
Jade1986✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Why not run both...I do...and if ur on PC they got a bunch of ways to exploit the game...like dressing room, if you got enough skill points u can run all of the weapons/armor/skills depending on the situation with just the click of a button...
Outside of combat yes, but not during com a. Its nothing you can't do normally. Just faster. Should be part of vanilla anyway .2 -
DoonerSeraph✭✭✭✭Well, I do use both too. If you're asking about why SnB builds are more popular, is because many people couples it with Heavy Armor for tanking enemies and sets like Ravager and Seventh Legion to provide burst. Bow builds mostly use medium armor, have decent burst, very high critical and are very squishy. And since people doesnt like being popped like a soap bubble, they go SnB/HA.
I use Bow front bar and SnB backbar. The SnB Spell Wall ult coupled with my range forces people to not fight me at distance, then I try ti burst them down before they reach me. Also its amazing against other archers.
EDIT: I also use medium armor.Edited by DoonerSeraph on December 15, 2017 10:32AM0 -
T4T2FR34K✭✭✭✭✭Why not run both...I do...and if ur on PC they got a bunch of ways to exploit the game...like dressing room, if you got enough skill points u can run all of the weapons/armor/skills depending on the situation with just the click of a button...
Outside of combat yes, but not during com a. Its nothing you can't do normally. Just faster. Should be part of vanilla anyway .
Ughh yeah...whatever...if you think you can switch all your armor weapons and skills around in sufficient time to impact a battle you're kidding yourself...with something like dressing room you change everything in a matter of seconds...
...and yes, in the middle of combat if you dip out and back in, in a second...0 -
DoonerSeraph✭✭✭✭Why not run both...I do...and if ur on PC they got a bunch of ways to exploit the game...like dressing room, if you got enough skill points u can run all of the weapons/armor/skills depending on the situation with just the click of a button...
Outside of combat yes, but not during com a. Its nothing you can't do normally. Just faster. Should be part of vanilla anyway .
Yeah, they should take some pointers from the addon creators, especially to help console people, or let them run addons (not sure of technical limitations of this one)1 -
Jade1986✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Why not run both...I do...and if ur on PC they got a bunch of ways to exploit the game...like dressing room, if you got enough skill points u can run all of the weapons/armor/skills depending on the situation with just the click of a button...
Outside of combat yes, but not during com a. Its nothing you can't do normally. Just faster. Should be part of vanilla anyway .
Ughh yeah...whatever...if you think you can switch all your armor weapons and skills around in sufficient time to impact a battle you're kidding yourself...with something like dressing room you change everything in a matter of seconds...
...and yes, in the middle of combat if you dip out and back in, in a second...
Like I said, it should be part of vanilla. Changing abilities and armor is far too clunky in this game, not saying anything about abilities as well. In other mmos it wasn't such q big deal, for example swtor. In that game you have sufficient quick at space for all your abilities and have 1 set for pvp and one set for pve. In this game there are hundreds of setups and the change time I ludicrously long. This is something everyone should use, it doesn't effect any one build or setup negatively if everyone uses it.1 -
T4T2FR34K✭✭✭✭✭Like I said, it should be part of vanilla. Changing abilities and armor is far too clunky in this game, not saying anything about abilities as well. In other mmos it wasn't such q big deal, for example swtor. In that game you have sufficient quick at space for all your abilities and have 1 set for pvp and one set for pve. In this game there are hundreds of setups and the change time I ludicrously long. This is something everyone should use, it doesn't effect any one build or setup negatively if everyone uses it.
I like how you gloss over what you don't want to accept...and NO, it shouldn't be part of vanilla...what Im learning from coming from XB to play on PC...console has better players and I believe (imo) its because of having no add-ons.3 -
Jade1986✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Like I said, it should be part of vanilla. Changing abilities and armor is far too clunky in this game, not saying anything about abilities as well. In other mmos it wasn't such q big deal, for example swtor. In that game you have sufficient quick at space for all your abilities and have 1 set for pvp and one set for pve. In this game there are hundreds of setups and the change time I ludicrously long. This is something everyone should use, it doesn't effect any one build or setup negatively if everyone uses it.
I like how you gloss over what you don't want to accept...and NO, it shouldn't be part of vanilla...what Im learning from coming from XB to play on PC...console has better players and I believe (imo) its because of having no add-ons.
If there is no negative impact toward any one persons build, imo it is fine, so everyone should use it, however when addona negatively effect peoples builds and introduce new non counterable mechanics, imo those should not be allowed. There is no reasonable argument against everyone using dressing room, it makes up for zos lack of vision and innovation.0 -
Aisle9✭✭✭✭✭
✭Why not run both...I do...and if ur on PC they got a bunch of ways to exploit the game...like dressing room, if you got enough skill points u can run all of the weapons/armor/skills depending on the situation with just the click of a button...
Outside of combat yes, but not during com a. Its nothing you can't do normally. Just faster. Should be part of vanilla anyway .
Ughh yeah...whatever...if you think you can switch all your armor weapons and skills around in sufficient time to impact a battle you're kidding yourself...with something like dressing room you change everything in a matter of seconds...
lel...and yes, in the middle of combat if you dip out and back in, in a second...
lel x2
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T4T2FR34K✭✭✭✭✭There is no reasonable argument against everyone using dressing room, it makes up for zos lack of vision and innovation.
There's PLENTY of reasonable argument for not being able to carry around numerous sets of armor, weapons and being able to change your skills at the drop of a hat, I don't care if its a fantasy world or not...I don't see no pack mule following you.
edit: hell while we're at it there should be some load limit based on your stamina...Edited by T4T2FR34K on December 15, 2017 11:00AM0 -
Animus-ESO✭✭✭✭✭Like I said, it should be part of vanilla. Changing abilities and armor is far too clunky in this game, not saying anything about abilities as well. In other mmos it wasn't such q big deal, for example swtor. In that game you have sufficient quick at space for all your abilities and have 1 set for pvp and one set for pve. In this game there are hundreds of setups and the change time I ludicrously long. This is something everyone should use, it doesn't effect any one build or setup negatively if everyone uses it.
I like how you gloss over what you don't want to accept...and NO, it shouldn't be part of vanilla...what Im learning from coming from XB to play on PC...console has better players and I believe (imo) its because of having no add-ons.
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I know what I know....you wouldn't survive 5 min on console.jasonthorpeb14_ESO wrote: »:'(
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Jade1986✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭There is no reasonable argument against everyone using dressing room, it makes up for zos lack of vision and innovation.
There's PLENTY of reasonable argument for not being able to carry around numerous sets of armor, weapons and being able to change your skills at the drop of a hat, I don't care if its a fantasy world or not...I don't see no pack mule following you.
edit: hell while we're at it there should be some load limit based on your stamina...
Its an mmo, not a single player game, that would be a deathsentence for this game. Using real life physics as an example does not work in a fantasy MMORPG.
As for the skill gap in pc and console. I have played games on console and pc since I was 12, each platform has its strengths. PC players are by far more adaptable, however console players have much faster reflexes.
That being said, this game lacks serious user friendly UI, so dressing room is a must for pvp, especially when having to constantly equip the speed buff for your horse, you lose out on something critical to your build every time you put that on.Edited by Jade1986 on December 15, 2017 1:41PM1 -
T4T2FR34K✭✭✭✭✭There is no reasonable argument against everyone using dressing room, it makes up for zos lack of vision and innovation.
There's PLENTY of reasonable argument for not being able to carry around numerous sets of armor, weapons and being able to change your skills at the drop of a hat, I don't care if its a fantasy world or not...I don't see no pack mule following you.
edit: hell while we're at it there should be some load limit based on your stamina...
Its an mmo, not a single player game, that would be a deathsentence for this game. Using real life physics as an example does not work in a fantasy MMORPG.
As for the skill gap in pc and console. I have played games on console and pc since I was 12, each platform has its strengths. PC players are by far more adaptable, however console players have much faster reflexes.
That being said, this game lacks serious user friendly UI, so dressing room is a must for pvp, especially when having to constantly equip the speed buff for your horse, you lose out on something critical to your build every time you put that on.
Come on now...plenty of games use things like weight limits with degrading performance when over said limits...and they are doing just fine...0 -
T4T2FR34K✭✭✭✭✭p.s. when you were 12 I was 22...so I've been playing games since before video existed...Edited by T4T2FR34K on December 15, 2017 1:44PM0
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Jade1986✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭There is no reasonable argument against everyone using dressing room, it makes up for zos lack of vision and innovation.
There's PLENTY of reasonable argument for not being able to carry around numerous sets of armor, weapons and being able to change your skills at the drop of a hat, I don't care if its a fantasy world or not...I don't see no pack mule following you.
edit: hell while we're at it there should be some load limit based on your stamina...
Its an mmo, not a single player game, that would be a deathsentence for this game. Using real life physics as an example does not work in a fantasy MMORPG.
As for the skill gap in pc and console. I have played games on console and pc since I was 12, each platform has its strengths. PC players are by far more adaptable, however console players have much faster reflexes.
That being said, this game lacks serious user friendly UI, so dressing room is a must for pvp, especially when having to constantly equip the speed buff for your horse, you lose out on something critical to your build every time you put that on.
Come on now...plenty of games use things like weight limits with degrading performance when over said limits...and they are doing just fine...
That might be so, but not mmos. Oblivion did it as well, but again, single player game, same with FO4. And considering that B2P players dont get the craft bag, that def would be the nail i nthe coffin for them.0 -
Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Because not every class have the means to defend themselves over range.
SnB gives you great defence, reduced block costs, absorb magic is also very useful.
Meanwhile bow is the choice for the fast playstyle.0 -
Epona222✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Why not run both...I do...and if ur on PC they got a bunch of ways to exploit the game...like dressing room, if you got enough skill points u can run all of the weapons/armor/skills depending on the situation with just the click of a button...
Outside of combat yes, but not during com a. Its nothing you can't do normally. Just faster. Should be part of vanilla anyway .
Ughh yeah...whatever...if you think you can switch all your armor weapons and skills around in sufficient time to impact a battle you're kidding yourself...with something like dressing room you change everything in a matter of seconds...
...and yes, in the middle of combat if you dip out and back in, in a second...
Like I said, it should be part of vanilla. Changing abilities and armor is far too clunky in this game, not saying anything about abilities as well. In other mmos it wasn't such q big deal, for example swtor. In that game you have sufficient quick at space for all your abilities and have 1 set for pvp and one set for pve. In this game there are hundreds of setups and the change time I ludicrously long. This is something everyone should use, it doesn't effect any one build or setup negatively if everyone uses it.
Agree with that, it should be possible in vanilla (whatever platform) to save gear/ability sets. It's something a lot of people would appreciate, as long as it's out of combat switching only (which is the only way addons can do it anyway). Just something that should be in the vanilla UI as a small QoL thing.Edited by Epona222 on December 15, 2017 3:12PMGM - Ghost Sea Trading Co - NA PC
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DarkAedin✭✭✭✭✭There is no reasonable argument against everyone using dressing room, it makes up for zos lack of vision and innovation.
There's PLENTY of reasonable argument for not being able to carry around numerous sets of armor, weapons and being able to change your skills at the drop of a hat, I don't care if its a fantasy world or not...I don't see no pack mule following you.
edit: hell while we're at it there should be some load limit based on your stamina...
By ur theory, the 50 siege and 10 forward camps in my inventory would go where?1 -
T4T2FR34K✭✭✭✭✭There is no reasonable argument against everyone using dressing room, it makes up for zos lack of vision and innovation.
There's PLENTY of reasonable argument for not being able to carry around numerous sets of armor, weapons and being able to change your skills at the drop of a hat, I don't care if its a fantasy world or not...I don't see no pack mule following you.
edit: hell while we're at it there should be some load limit based on your stamina...
By ur theory, the 50 siege and 10 forward camps in my inventory would go where?
Stick it in your portable hole?
Oh wait, that's Dungeons and Dragons...stick it wherever it fits I suppose.
Edited by T4T2FR34K on December 15, 2017 6:24PM1 -
PlagueSD✭✭✭✭✭
✭There is no reasonable argument against everyone using dressing room, it makes up for zos lack of vision and innovation.
There's PLENTY of reasonable argument for not being able to carry around numerous sets of armor, weapons and being able to change your skills at the drop of a hat, I don't care if its a fantasy world or not...I don't see no pack mule following you.
edit: hell while we're at it there should be some load limit based on your stamina...
Its an mmo, not a single player game, that would be a deathsentence for this game. Using real life physics as an example does not work in a fantasy MMORPG.
As for the skill gap in pc and console. I have played games on console and pc since I was 12, each platform has its strengths. PC players are by far more adaptable, however console players have much faster reflexes.
That being said, this game lacks serious user friendly UI, so dressing room is a must for pvp, especially when having to constantly equip the speed buff for your horse, you lose out on something critical to your build every time you put that on.
Two MMORPG games off the top of my head that had "encumbrance":
Everquest
Ultima Online
I'm sure there are more.0 -
Jade1986✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭There is no reasonable argument against everyone using dressing room, it makes up for zos lack of vision and innovation.
There's PLENTY of reasonable argument for not being able to carry around numerous sets of armor, weapons and being able to change your skills at the drop of a hat, I don't care if its a fantasy world or not...I don't see no pack mule following you.
edit: hell while we're at it there should be some load limit based on your stamina...
Its an mmo, not a single player game, that would be a deathsentence for this game. Using real life physics as an example does not work in a fantasy MMORPG.
As for the skill gap in pc and console. I have played games on console and pc since I was 12, each platform has its strengths. PC players are by far more adaptable, however console players have much faster reflexes.
That being said, this game lacks serious user friendly UI, so dressing room is a must for pvp, especially when having to constantly equip the speed buff for your horse, you lose out on something critical to your build every time you put that on.
Two MMORPG games off the top of my head that had "encumbrance":
Everquest
Ultima Online
I'm sure there are more.
Ok, modern mmos. I would honestly run for the hills if they had that in this game.0 -
T4T2FR34K✭✭✭✭✭Ok, modern mmos. I would honestly run for the hills if they had that in this game.
I on the other hand fell in love with how HARD Dark Souls is...and Hardcore mode on New Vegas...and other similar INSANE settings. I wish Zos would get its act together and take all the features from all the games and put them in, I would love to have to monitor food, sleep, encumbrance, weapon wear and tear, I want housing and a family like skyrim, I want my own community like FO4, I want punishing AI, I want everything destructible and able to be used, I want in depth crafting and customization and creation, I want 5-6 faction wars and I want it all in the Fallout Universe...and I BET my money a TON of people would too...toss in some VR and 1st person PvP...OMG, get me a bed-pan and I.V.
p.s. the moral of the story is the more you can get me invested into my "virtual self" the more Im going to be here and that's great for everyone involved in this JOINT-adVENTURE...
p.s.s. ...or better yet a Tron suit and hamster bubble.
Edited by T4T2FR34K on December 15, 2017 9:37PM0 -
Jade1986✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Ok, modern mmos. I would honestly run for the hills if they had that in this game.
I on the other hand fell in love with how HARD Dark Souls is...and Hardcore mode on New Vegas...and other similar INSANE settings. I wish Zos would get its act together and take all the features from all the games and put them in, I would love to have to monitor food, sleep, encumbrance, weapon wear and tear, I want housing and a family like skyrim, I want my own community like FO4, I want punishing AI, I want everything destructible and able to be used, I want in depth crafting and customization and creation, I want 5-6 faction wars and I want it all in the Fallout Universe...and I BET my money a TON of people would too...toss in some VR and 1st person PvP...OMG, get me a bed-pan and I.V.
p.s. the moral of the story is the more you can get me invested into my "virtual self" the more Im going to be here and that's great for everyone involved in this JOINT-adVENTURE...
p.s.s. ...or better yet a Tron suit and hamster bubble.
While I am all for more options, variety is te spice of life after all, you have to be realistic for an mmo. If there were a lets say, trinket item you could equip that would make you able to do all those things, I thnk that would be fine, and a welcome addition for roleplaying, but it could not be for everyone , it would be a death sentence to the game. Also with mmos they have to look at average gaming rigs, and even take into ccount old low end rigs. VR is simply out of the question.0 -
Toast_STS✭✭✭✭because soul assault. Without shield eating a soul assault is no bueno.VR14 DK Leaps-in-keeps0
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SmellyUnlimited✭✭✭✭First off, @T4T2FR34K is right. Having now played console and PC quite a bit, top guild console players are considerably better than top PC guilds. I’m in a very competitive guild on console now, and was on PC before I switched, and PC was easy-mode with the million add-ons (Miatts - are you f’ing kidding me? Baby mode).
Second, the harder more variable MMO’s (Everquest for one, which I loved vanilla EQ) are so much more fun than the hand-holding we get now. Every company wants to make the game easy enough to draw casual players, and a modicum if difficulty for hardcore players, but they typically fail on both accounts. Games like EQ were difficult as hell (a single add could wipe a group), and dying was miserable, but that’s what made the game fun. That’s what makes Dark souls fun. Real gamers want a real challenge.
If you have people soloing veteran dungeons, something has gone VERY wrong with your design.DO. NOT. WIPE. (in game OR out!)2