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Nerf Asylum Staff and/or Fix Maelstrom Daggers
YoungJacques69
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Zos,
As of lately people have completed VMA on Mag toons with really high OP scores like 604k due to the fact that Mag characters can have Asylum Staff front Bar with Maelstrom Rear. Asylum Staff in its current state has made Magicka characters so much better then stam in Solo content and even in pug 4 mans.
To re-balance this portion of the game you will need to nerf Asylum Staff and/or Buff Maelstrom Daggers.
It is sad but Maelstrom Dual wield weapons have been bugged and broken for a while now and they NEED to be fixed. If you dont care about VMA and want to leave Asylum staff as is then you should not only fix Maelstrom Daggers but you should buff them back to what they were originally! Because that is how strong Asylum Staff is in solo.
I like the finesse and skill required to master a Stam toon in VMA. And when you do finally Master it you should be rewarded for doing so. Right now if someone were to have the best run possible on Stam they could probably get 601k with a Stamblade. But a Magblade just got 604k which is minutes faster. Also Asylum staff has taken the worst class in vma Magicka Dragonknight who's best previous score was mid to upper 580s and single handedly push them up to 597k!
I am writing this because I want VMA to be somewhat balanced between Stam and Mag. Also, I am writing this because there are leaderboards and it is extremely dissapointing to know that if I spend the days of play time required to Master a Stamina character I still wont come near to the score of a good Mag Sorc or Magblade that has Asylum Staff. .
As of lately people have completed VMA on Mag toons with really high OP scores like 604k due to the fact that Mag characters can have Asylum Staff front Bar with Maelstrom Rear. Asylum Staff in its current state has made Magicka characters so much better then stam in Solo content and even in pug 4 mans.
To re-balance this portion of the game you will need to nerf Asylum Staff and/or Buff Maelstrom Daggers.
It is sad but Maelstrom Dual wield weapons have been bugged and broken for a while now and they NEED to be fixed. If you dont care about VMA and want to leave Asylum staff as is then you should not only fix Maelstrom Daggers but you should buff them back to what they were originally! Because that is how strong Asylum Staff is in solo.
I like the finesse and skill required to master a Stam toon in VMA. And when you do finally Master it you should be rewarded for doing so. Right now if someone were to have the best run possible on Stam they could probably get 601k with a Stamblade. But a Magblade just got 604k which is minutes faster. Also Asylum staff has taken the worst class in vma Magicka Dragonknight who's best previous score was mid to upper 580s and single handedly push them up to 597k!
I am writing this because I want VMA to be somewhat balanced between Stam and Mag. Also, I am writing this because there are leaderboards and it is extremely dissapointing to know that if I spend the days of play time required to Master a Stamina character I still wont come near to the score of a good Mag Sorc or Magblade that has Asylum Staff. .
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Destruent✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭vMSA will never be balanced between classes/builds...but i can assure you, as soon as you mastered it, it's easy on every class and build....
btw: i don't think that buffing MSA-daggers will fix anything, heavy-attack-builds are so strong for sustained DPS (especially on DK which profit the most from msa daggers AND from heavy attacks). Especially in MSA you want 5/5/2-sets on stambuilds and no msa-daggers...fights are just too short in general for those weapons to be any useful there.Edited by Destruent on December 12, 2017 12:59PMNoobplar5 -
Bobby_V_Rockit✭✭✭✭✭
✭Honestly, I think they need to buff the imperfect staff. The difference between the other asylum weapons perfect/non-perfect is slim (50% vs. 45% damage boost for the bow) but its more like 30% for the destro staff (2 vs. 3 force pulse). Seems the weakest of the lot actually and needs to be brought in line more.9 -
Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Oh yeah thx for asylum staff few top players will now be able to get 604k instead 602k they were getting before. Also some mag characters are able to finish vMA ONE MINUTE faster then their stam analogues ! Apocalypse incoming
Is this thread even for real ?...
Edited by Juhasow on December 12, 2017 1:07PM22 -
supaskrub✭✭✭✭✭Oh yeah thx for asylum staff few top players will now be able to get 604k instead 602k they were getting before. Also some mag characters are able to finish vMA ONE MINUTE faster then their stam analogues ! Apocalypse incoming
Yeah that extra 2k score... it's frightening what having an Asylum staff can do, absolute game changer.. 0 -
Insanepirate01✭✭✭I need the asylum staff now it's going to get me that 604k score. Also get me through vhof. Maybe become emp while I'm at it too. You know what I think I'll just go ahead and solo vmol with this epic asylum staff as well.8
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I find it interesting how Stam is king of the hill in group content (and those asylums staves merely help them out even more) and someone wants a weapon nerfed due to what he/she perceives about one single instance.
Yes, vMA DW weapons do need to be fixed, but that is not what OP is really asking for.
That is not how things are or should be done in MMORPGs.
BTW, what is OPs best score?3 -
Foxic✭✭✭✭✭While we're at it. Let's Nerf maelstrom bow. As it's the single strongest pve item in the game.Mechanically Challenged, PCNA competitive raid guild
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jaws343✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I went into VMA with an imperfect asylum staff and barely used force pulse. It's such a resource drain to cast it three times in a short rotation that the benefits are really only usefull for group play and a minority of the fights in VMA.0 -
Bbsample197✭✭✭✭brandonv516 wrote: »I got a lightning imperfect...what should I retrait to?
decon it, its much better, no reason to go AS staff if its not the perfect oneEdited by Bbsample197 on December 12, 2017 2:03PM3 -
SoLooney✭✭✭✭✭Bbsample197 wrote: »brandonv516 wrote: »I got a lightning imperfect...what should I retrait to?
decon it, its much better, no reason to go AS staff if its not the perfect one
very few players will have access to have perfect weapons. not many groups beat it and leaderboards are all clogged with top raiders and their 12 alts
vma and solo play dont mean anything. any class can do vma fine if you know what to do. also, in trials, stamina hit harder than magicka. i agree though, maelstrom and asylum dual wield need to be fixed or buffed0 -
Apache_Kid✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭No more nerfs! I'm win with masters and vMA weapons being looked at again because honestly they need a buff. How many people have even gotten one of these perfect asylum staves? I've yet to even see one linked in chat on Xbox NA. Only perfected item I saw linked ever was 1 maul.1 -
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Bbsample197 wrote: »brandonv516 wrote: »I got a lightning imperfect...what should I retrait to?
decon it, its much better, no reason to go AS staff if its not the perfect one
very few players will have access to have perfect weapons. not many groups beat it and leaderboards are all clogged with top raiders and their 12 alts
vma and solo play dont mean anything. any class can do vma fine if you know what to do. also, in trials, stamina hit harder than magicka. i agree though, maelstrom and asylum dual wield need to be fixed or buffed
The imperfect destro is worse then a charged staff. It really is not worth using. Better off with any set staff. They really need to rework how the staff buffs force shock. Something else then just giving secondary effects that you have a pretty good chance to proc anyways. Like make the staff do damage to an extra target, with force pulse being able to hit six targets, do to the secondary effects of that morphs. The imperfect can do 75% of the damage of the main hit and the perfect would do 100. Boom done, makes it more useful and actually worth running inperfect.Edited by Lightspeedflashb14_ESO on December 12, 2017 3:24PM2 -
luen79rwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Wait what? No! Imperfect Asylum Staves need a buff or a rework not a nerf!PC/DC/NAserver
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Danksta✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭We should definitely balance an MMO around solo/small group play....
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ol_BANK_lo✭✭✭✭✭Oh yeah thx for asylum staff few top players will now be able to get 604k instead 602k they were getting before. Also some mag characters are able to finish vMA ONE MINUTE faster then their stam analogues ! Apocalypse incoming
Is this thread even for real ?...
Yeah, I can't believe I read this far....what a stupid discussion. Yes, vma 1h is no longer used anywhere in the game, and it's a shame, but I don't understand this thread.0 -
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✭✭✭TotallyNotVos wrote: »While we're at it. Let's Nerf maelstrom bow. As it's the single strongest pve item in the game.
I actually agree with this as someone who plays more stam than mag. I use a DSA bow on my stambalde (not due to a lack of the 40 maelstrom bows that are sitting on a mule), because I like it conceptually. It's just a straight up 10% loss on a dummy. No weapon should be that influential and if it's the reason why stam is still competetive is because of a weapon that needs to be farmed, then class balance needs to be further evaluated.0331
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WreckfulAbandon✭✭✭✭✭
✭vMA daggers/axes are still OP for DoT bleed builds. doesn't matter how limited its usage, 2k extra wep dmg from 2 pc is way out of proportion numerically to what a 2 pc set should do in PvPEdited by WreckfulAbandon on December 12, 2017 7:16PMPC NA
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NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭doesn't need balancing. Both shouldn't be the same as well as their use gives different results.
Maybe its certain spells that you have issue with stamina vs mag-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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s7732425ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Stam builds are still superior to magicka builds when the content is stack and burn (most pre-HOF Trial bosses). When the content requires a lot of movement and ranged fighting, magicka is better.0 -
rustic_potato✭✭✭✭✭Lol I dont know what you are smoking OP but balance between stam and magika will never be better than what it is on live now. Stam shines in stack and burn fights and magika shines in fights that needs movement and range.
vMA bow is insanely overpowered and no item for magika even comes close to its efficiency.
I do agree then vMA daggers need a fix. But comparing scores between magika and stam toons in vMA is just stupid. If anything the Asylum staff needs a buff as it is useless outside of vMA and fringe situations in raids.
Also stop being a one trick pony and learn to magika maybe?Edited by rustic_potato on December 12, 2017 7:39PMI play how I want to.2 -
Mazbt✭✭✭✭I think maelstrom daggers need an adjustment so they are more friendly in our current meta (light attack rotations are unsustainable in a lot of situations). No nerf to asylum though.Mazari the Resurrected (AD)- PVP stamplar main
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Apache_Kid wrote: »No more nerfs! I'm win with masters and vMA weapons being looked at again because honestly they need a buff. How many people have even gotten one of these perfect asylum staves? I've yet to even see one linked in chat on Xbox NA. Only perfected item I saw linked ever was 1 maul.
i have one lightning and one inferno perfect staves (xbox NA). They are pretty good but not OP in any way. For my sorc, they just make a force pulse build an option instead of falling far behind pet builds.Edited by Saint314Louis1985 on December 12, 2017 8:45PM0 -
Vaoh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Oh yeah thx for asylum staff few top players will now be able to get 604k instead 602k they were getting before. Also some mag characters are able to finish vMA ONE MINUTE faster then their stam analogues ! Apocalypse incoming
Is this thread even for real ?...
Asylum Destro is strong, therefore nerf it and buff Maelstrom DW??
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Insandros✭✭✭✭TotallyNotVos wrote: »While we're at it. Let's Nerf maelstrom bow. As it's the single strongest pve item in the game.
While being at it, cry to nerf Master bow, i get same dmg with either vMA or Master bow on single target, and nerf all what people can't get or get against them, nerf nerfs, and nerf mudcrabs cuz they pinch when i sleep naked on the beach.Edited by Insandros on December 12, 2017 9:54PM1
