Would be cool, zos said no a while ago, "our engine can't handle it"

***, it's easy possible underwater is as easy as flying with a filter.

Before all the "Arm-Chair Developers" chime in on how easy it would be, here are the real devs explaining why we don't have underwater and why no flying mounts.
See at 1:10:25...'
Huzzah!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BhsqvscZz4&t=4074s

Sauce_Revolution wrote: »

Does anybody else want this to be a thing?
Not necessarily anything major tied to it but I think it would be fun to have dungeon entrances at the bottom of lakes or a flooded tunnel in a delve you have to get through either using water breathing potions or cheating by being an Argonian.

I honestly just want it for thematic and fun reasons, what are your opinions?

No, no, and HELL no. Hated it in WoW. Hated it in Archeage (who the hell farms underwater anyway)

One of the things I loved on TES series. Obviously it requires some work, but it's certainly doable. The video above might sound for some like it's something very difficult, but it's actually just a lot of easy concepts said in a short period of time to make it sound near impossible. Like let's say what do you need to count 2 + 2, you need basic understanding of numbers and their values. Like is 2 actually 2 or is it 3, or maybe 1? Does it actually have a value? That's a lot of things you have to consider. And we are not even talking about operation +, what is definition of the operation, how does it affect number on the left and how does it affect number on the right? Does it affect numbers the same way all the time? How does it act if there is two digit number (and I am not even talking about all the problems two digit numbers bring). And once you figure those things out, what does the result of it mean? How does it affect everything? Also should we consider possibility of - being used?

That's how the video sounds to me. A lot of little problems you have to tackle, but you have to tackle the same little problems with a lot of things, with every single new mechanic. Also it's part of the original games and I don't get why it wasn't part of the original release. I tried the game during beta and I was really disappointed when I came to larger water surface and I was unable to dive. It's not impossible, they just obviously don't want to do it for whatever reason. My personal opinion is that it's connected with no direct cash revenue for them. It's a feature which seems to be missed in initial release, nobody really protested about it and now it's simply too late to do it with 0 monetization out of it.

Skyrim and Oblivion, (And Morrowind), were Single Player Games. GW2 has a totally different Game engine.
Comparing ESO to these are Apples and Oranges.

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

Skyrim and Oblivion, (And Morrowind), were Single Player Games. GW2 has a totally different Game engine.
Comparing ESO to these are Apples and Oranges.

We are not comparing games. We are comparing mechanics within the games. It's like comparing Pokemon and Final Fantasy series. Two very different games, but they still use nearly the same combat system which could be compared between them

Underwater diving would be awesome, but this is ZoS, a development team that can't even update the crappy guild trader UI, among many other "simple" things.

I'm just gonna wait until BDO comes to console for "advanced" stuff like diving underwater.

I'd want underwater to be a thing simply because you float too damn easily wearing 7pc Heavy AND a giant greatsword on your back. Tanks need to sink to the bottom when crossing a river.

Sauce_Revolution wrote: »

Does anybody else want this to be a thing?
Not necessarily anything major tied to it but I think it would be fun to have dungeon entrances at the bottom of lakes or a flooded tunnel in a delve you have to get through either using water breathing potions or cheating by being an Argonian.

I honestly just want it for thematic and fun reasons, what are your opinions?

I've always wanted an underwater dungeon or trial

Underwater? Yes.
Flying? Never!

idk wrote: »

Verbal_Earthworm wrote: »

guild wars 2 had underwater stuff done at launch, so did skyrim.

the devs seem to be reinforcing how difficult it would be to implement without thinking about past games that already did it.

@Verbal_Earthworm

I'm fairly certain the devs are aware some other games have done it. What some here may be missing is it doesn't mean it was easy. Also, some engines handle such activity better than others. Each engine has its strengths and weaknesses.

It's easy to think something is easy or will take little effort when one is not familiar with the work involved.

oh i agree, but out of curiousity, can you inform me of any "strengths" the eso engine has?

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

teiselaise wrote: »

Would be cool, zos said no a while ago, "our engine can't handle it"

***, it's easy possible underwater is as easy as flying with a filter.

Well if it's easy why don't you just take their engine and make it happen....

Reality is it's not easy. the system to do up, down and side to side movement isn't in the game. It would take rebuilding the entire game engine and thus the game essentially to make it happen. Maybe if they ever make ESO 2, but even then they don't want dragon mounts so then they won't put in flying.

Sorry, but what you say is not true. There is already 3D moving system driven by physics. Jumping. You can even slightly move in sides while jumping. And it's not just animation, game knows when, where and in what direction you jump and there are mechanics build around it. Try those huge jumps in Vault of Madness and press up/down/left/right buttons, you will see it affects position of landing spot. But it even knows exactly in what height you are (or Z axis position), because try to jump over obstacle which is too high and then the one which is quite low. You won't be able to jump on first, but you will be able to jump on second.

So game certainly has Z axis already implemented in their engine. All what needs to be done is changing physics part of the engine to have different behaviour underwater. And also few other things they were talking about in the video (animations, oxygen bar..).

Again, things are doable. From programming side it should not be difficult and engine already has things they can reuse. I can imagine animations might take some time. And tuning out mechanics too. But again, it's nothing impossible and it's not rocket science either. As I said before, the only thing which is probably stopping them from doing this is the fact that it's the feature which should be done on release and used in promoting the game back then. Now it's a nice feature, but with no real monetization perspective. And that's the key to why they won't do it and why they will bring all sorts of arguments which might sound reasonable, but in fact they are not.

Juju_beans wrote: »

Sauce_Revolution wrote: »

Does anybody else want this to be a thing?
Not necessarily anything major tied to it but I think it would be fun to have dungeon entrances at the bottom of lakes or a flooded tunnel in a delve you have to get through either using water breathing potions or cheating by being an Argonian.

I honestly just want it for thematic and fun reasons, what are your opinions?

Go play wow and see for yourself about underwater stuff. Really not worth it.

Actually I do play wow and Vashj'ir is one of my favourite zones, I also had a fun time exploring the sea of Zangar and finding the hidden cave under the water on the Darkmoon Isle so yeah it's totally worth it