Help me learn how to weave!!

rteezy · December 2017

Ok, so animation canceling seems easy enough, its a matter of learning the best canceling method and the correct timing.

BUT weaving, which is supose to be much easier has become a headheach on my magblade.

First of all im playing on NA servers form EU (i jsut moved back form Canada and already had all my toons cp etc on the NA server)

despite that my latency isnt awfull, ususaly around 170-190

now, when im trying to weave LA and swallow soul i see my toon doing the LA atack animation but it doesnt shoot anything and i end up doing 2 sswallow souls in a row

is it due to latency, or bad timing? i knwo that if i slow it down i can do it right but it feels like 2slow to be a dps gain.

idk · December 2017

There are likely videos that may offer some help.

Practice though it what makes the difference. Merely activate a basic attack immediately followed by the skill you plan to use. It may help starting off with weaving in a medium basic attack, though your goal will be light attacks since the damage for light attacks was significantly increase earlier this year.

No knowing what you are playing on, but PC has an addon called Combat Metrics where you can see if you are doing basic attacks and even see if they are light attacks or not. That may help clarify if you are actually getting the attacks off or something else is the issue. If you just started it can be akward in the beginning.

rteezy · December 2017

idk wrote: »

There are likely videos that may offer some help.

Practice though it what makes the difference. Merely activate a basic attack immediately followed by the skill you plan to use. It may help starting off with weaving in a medium basic attack, though your goal will be light attacks since the damage for light attacks was significantly increase earlier this year.

No knowing what you are playing on, but PC has an addon called Combat Metrics where you can see if you are doing basic attacks and even see if they are light attacks or not. That may help clarify if you are actually getting the attacks off or something else is the issue. If you just started it can be akward in the beginning.

im gona try comabt metrics but im positive im not gettign them off ebcause when i do i see 2 damage numebrs pop at same time (LA and swallow soul)

the wierd thing is i do see the LA animation, but right ebfore it shots swallow soul goes off...sometimes it almsot feels swallow soul gets "queued" to go off

technohic · December 2017

There's something with swallow soul that seems to cut out the damage.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/384853/weaving-with-melee-magblade#latest

I went to a dummy a few days ago and was testing weaving with it. You have to use a slower rhythm to it compared to say, my templar with crushing shock

rteezy · December 2017

technohic wrote: »

There's something with swallow soul that seems to cut out the damage.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/384853/weaving-with-melee-magblade#latest

I went to a dummy a few days ago and was testing weaving with it. You have to use a slower rhythm to it compared to say, my templar with crushing shock

ohhhhh so thats it!

now, even if i do it slower it is still worth it to weave right?

technohic · December 2017

I think so. You just want to clip the light attack just a fraction of a second longer. It’s just tricky to push it as much as you can since you could waste a LA animation but it’s still a seperate ICD from the ability

Rehdaun · December 2017

Yes it's still worth it to weave. Besides getting that extra dps from all the light attacks, they also help you proc your bow, one of the main components to a magicka nightblade rotation.

DeadlyRecluse · December 2017

I play around that ping level, and I find that "prefiring" the light/medium attack and holding it for just a hair longer than you do in low ping situations works out about right. Occasionally you end up firing off a medium instead, but no biggie.

It's also worth remembering that this game fires abilities on button RELEASE, not button press. Remembering that has helped me, especially with cast time or channeled abilities, in situations with 200+ ping.

But it's really a feel thing. Mess around on a dummy with a metrics addon until you get it pretty consistent. And don't sweat if 1 in 5 light attacks don't get out, that's not the end of the world.

itsfatbass · December 2017

I would just suggest going to a test dummy and practicing your rotation slowly. It sounds like you know about ani canceling via block or bar swap, so all you have to practice is weaving a light attack before each ability, then simply "canceling" the light attack animation with the next skill use. And remember, ESO skills do not fire until button RELEASE.

gnarlyvandal · April 2018

Ahhh LA just before the skill!! I’ve been face rolling so hard trying to increase my dps above 23k. 2 gold staves, front imperfect lightning, back vma lightning, 3x IA jewellery, 2x ilambris, and either juli, Necro, mechanical acuity, netches or spinners. Just farmed queen elegance as well.
Again, 23k is my highest parse. Solid 50-60 FPS
Turns out I’ve been LA at the wrong time. Literally been pressing that button just AFTER every ability.
Now I want to just ditch work to go home and try this :’)

Lord-Otto · April 2018

gnarlyvandal wrote: »

Ahhh LA just before the skill!! I’ve been face rolling so hard trying to increase my dps above 23k. 2 gold staves, front imperfect lightning, back vma lightning, 3x IA jewellery, 2x ilambris, and either juli, Necro, mechanical acuity, netches or spinners. Just farmed queen elegance as well.
Again, 23k is my highest parse. Solid 50-60 FPS
Turns out I’ve been LA at the wrong time. Literally been pressing that button just AFTER every ability.
Now I want to just ditch work to go home and try this :’)

Patience, young pupil. You weren't totally wrong.
Control inputs queue. You wanna queue your light attack so you have no break between LA and skill.
That means that you are actually attacking while the previous attack animation ends. When exactly depends on the skill.

Asardes · April 2018

A friend thought me a neat trick regarding weaving light attacks a few days ago: watch the elbow of your character while he's casting the skill, then hit the attack button while his elbow comes back. For heavy attack weave simply press the attack button then press the skill button about mid animation to make them go at the same time.

gnarlyvandal · April 2018

So I spent some time yesterday practicing LA animation cancelling and ensuring I had maximum possible up time of my skills... it did make a noticeable improvement, I’m now consistently hitting 20-23k rather than 18-20k AND I did have one lucky parse of 26k to break my personal record, but this was on a dummy with 1/3 of its health.

I’ve been trying out several 5/3/2/1/1 as well as 5/5/1/1 (I have nirnhoned vma lightning backbar and switching frontbar between imperfect asylum or Julianos, both front are lightning infused with flame enchant).

I would rather not use pets, but I just can’t hit the same damage without them (dps drops to 18k).

Rotation(-ish): LA = light attack, I usually activate pet prior to starting fight so I get a tick or two from it whilst doing the start of rotation and it doesn’t usually aggro until I hit the dummy.

LL - LA - blockade - LA - switch - prey - LA - pet - LA - FPx2 or heavy attack.
Rinse and repeat, applying buffs and debuffs as they expire.

That is my basic rotation, either with or without ele drain, power surge, inner light, summoned Armor, spell pots (made with lady smock, cornflower and water hyacinth) etc. I’m using the solitude max resources food.

My CP distribution is mainly where alcast said it should be. Got the 75 thaumaturge, can’t remember the rest of the distribution but I was pretty happy with it after going over several online builds.

I usually use apprentice stone but I switched to lover for yesterday’s parses.

Currently my CP is just over 400, shall I just forget trying to hit 30k till cp720? Tbh I just want to get into hard mode vAS to farm that perfect asylum staff - got the guilds to run with, but my dps needs to be improved.

As I said above, I’ve got a few different sets I’ve farmed for since hitting 160, so switching to try different sets isn’t a problem.

Sets I do have are: Spinners, netches, Mech Acuity, Julianos, elegant, caluurion, necro, got 3x infallible as haven’t found a staff yet.

Anyone know what dps I should be hitting at CP400? Am I being unrealistic with my 30k target?

It *could* be that I’m not casting the next LA and skill quick enough following the previous skill, but honestly got no idea as I tightened up the rotation as much as I could in a couple hours.... Yes I did waste my evening and spell pots trying to parse higher rather than levelling :’)

Sorry for the massive post!

Sparr0w · April 2018

@gnarlyvandal Not a Mag player myself, and don't pull top DPS but I find bar swap cancelling a skill rather than a LA more effective, e.g.

LL - LA - blockade - LA - switch - prey - LA - pet - LA - FPx2 or heavy attack.
LL - LA - blockade - switch - LA - prey - LA - pet - LA - FPx2 or heavy attack.

Just had a quick look at Alcast & Gilliam's guides and both say to LA between skills & don't list a LA before or after a bar swap. Could give these a shot?

Zeni0s · April 2018

Try /weave

Sorry.

gnarlyvandal · April 2018

Sparr0w wrote: »

@gnarlyvandal Not a Mag player myself, and don't pull top DPS but I find bar swap cancelling a skill rather than a LA more effective, e.g.

LL - LA - blockade - LA - switch - prey - LA - pet - LA - FPx2 or heavy attack.
LL - LA - blockade - switch - LA - prey - LA - pet - LA - FPx2 or heavy attack.

Just had a quick look at Alcast & Gilliam's guides and both say to LA between skills & don't list a LA before or after a bar swap. Could give these a shot?

You’re right, thanks for the tip. Was getting a bit caught up trying to squeeze LA in.
Can hold my dps at 30k during ult now, it quickly drops back down to around 21k after ult ends though. I’m just gonna focus on maxing cp and worry about it then.
At least now I know the basics I’ve got 300+ cp lvls to practice :’)

Runefang · April 2018

Yeah you have to bar swap cancel skill animations, liquid lightning in particular is a good one to cancel since the animation is longer than blockades.

A good way I found to practice was do just a few rotations at a time, without heavies.

Count how many skills you're casting in each rotation, do 3 rotations and stop. Use combat metrics to see how many light attacks went off, it should be equal to the number of skills used.

If you're on console then I'm sorry

The only way I know to check weaving on console is play a nightblade and get your 3 bow procs per cast of merciless resolve.

Asardes · April 2018

The length of the animation on a skill makes no difference. There are in fact two internal cooldowns: one for skills, the other for base attacks (light & heavy) both of which are around 1 second. You can cast the following base attack or skill whenever that expires for the respective one. That's why you can "weave" light attacks between the skills. Since the animations overlap, part of the skill animation is not displayed. But claims from certain players that you can "cheat" in PvP by casting multiple skills that ignore those cooldowns by using "AnImEiShuN kEnSaLiNg" is baseless. Before the current patch synergies were on the same cooldown as skills, so sometimes you weren't able to pick them up because you had just cast a skill, and you had to slow your rotation but now they have a separate cooldown, meaning you can press the synergy button right after a skill.

Sparr0w · April 2018

Think he meant that although the gcd for both LL and Blockade are both at 1 sec, the animation for LL plays out longer than 1 sec so ani cancelling that will be more efficent, not that it will bypass the gcd.

Anyway nice advice & hope you can get those numbers up

I've got a lot more practice with 400+ CP to go (not even at 300CP atm

) getting a constant 28-30k which can only climb!

gnarlyvandal · April 2018

Sparr0w wrote: »

Anyway nice advice & hope you can get those numbers up I've got a lot more practice with 400+ CP to go (not even at 300CP atm ) getting a constant 28-30k which can only climb!

Mind if I ask what class you’re playing?

Edit: Nvm you mentioned in the post above :’)