[Suggestion] Vote on if the kicked player get 15min penalty

Lyserus · December 2017

This simply doesn't make sense that only the players volunterily left have the 15min penalty but those with bad behavior/ fake roles that mess up the run get kicked and can find a group immediately after, and if they fake their roles as tank/heal they can get queue up almost instantly again.

Players still in group should have the right to vote on whether that player get the 15min, especially as punishment for fake roles that can do nothing (I'm okay if the fake ones can actually pull it off, for example having 40k dps and you fake tank, but those can do *** but still queue as healer/tank are the real cancer, then again the group rarely kick those who can pull it off)

vyndral13preub18_ESO · December 2017

Unless something is bugging out, everyone gets a 15 minute penalty for finding a dungeon in group finder. It starts for everyone as soon as they are put in the dungeon.

Perhaps that is why you think that those that were kicked didn’t have one? They played in the dungeon longer then 15 minutes so their timer had already expired by the time they were kicked.

I guess it has been a while since I’ve payed any attention to what is going on with the dungeon finder, since I’m mostly just happy when it works. Maybe something has changed.

idk · December 2017

There is nothing to vote on.

Zos knows there should not be a lockout for anyone actually kicked from the group. It should only apply to those who leave the group by their own accord.

It's a pretty obvious concern that Zos has chosen to not implement.

monktoasty · December 2017

No way! There are so many bunk reasons players kick other players it simnply not be fair.

I wish they would remove kicking altogether..random means rand9m you get stuck with who you get.

Juju_beans · December 2017

No way should you leave it up to the players. Some of the most toxic folks are found in pugs.

rustic_potato · December 2017

The penalty timer itself shouldn't exist. If someone gets grouped up with a bad group and want to leave they should be able to.

zaria · December 2017

rustic_potato wrote: »

The penalty timer itself shouldn't exist. If someone gets grouped up with a bad group and want to leave they should be able to.

Problem is that many would farm random dungeon and gamble for pledge or leave.
You don't know if group if bad before trying unless very unlucky.

Jpk0012 · December 2017

I was bugged the other day, and asked the group to kick me(error message was dungeon is full can't teleport). They kicked me, and then I had a 15 minute timer.... doesn't really surprise me how everything seems to be bugged.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · December 2017

Jpk0012 wrote: »

I was bugged the other day, and asked the group to kick me(error message was dungeon is full can't teleport). They kicked me, and then I had a 15 minute timer.... doesn't really surprise me how everything seems to be bugged.

My favorite was when my group was put into a completed dungeon (everything was dead). Yes we all got a 15 minute timer for being put into a completed dungeon. Good times.

zaria · December 2017

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Jpk0012 wrote: »

I was bugged the other day, and asked the group to kick me(error message was dungeon is full can't teleport). They kicked me, and then I had a 15 minute timer.... doesn't really surprise me how everything seems to be bugged.

My favorite was when my group was put into a completed dungeon (everything was dead). Yes we all got a 15 minute timer for being put into a completed dungeon. Good times.

Assume stupid finder was stressed out, say one quit or DC and was kicked, they ask finder for replacement but also ask guild, some from guild join, they finish dungeon, some leaves and you get ported in.
Once it was an issue with porting in, remember doing vCoA1 and finally the some managed to enter as number 4, awesome tank told us to stop doing damage on last boss only block and heal so newcomer would at least get the dungeon.

disintegr8 · December 2017

The concept of the 15 minute timer was sound - trying to encourage experienced players to stay in pugs with inexperienced players. Unfortunately the vote to kick option ruined that by allowing a player to be kicked and still suffer a 15 minute penalty. On that basis alone, being kicked should not invoke a 15 minute penalty.

The 'ready check' was then introduced in an effort to ensure that all 4 players were actually ready to go into the dungeon, instead of sending someone in there who is AFK, maybe having a smoke or using the can. This helps by not giving you a penalty if you have been queuing for 30 minutes and are AFK when grouped, but does not address the kicking.

I, like a lot of people, hoped the ready check would do more, like show you the level of the rest of the group, so you could decide if you wanted to try a run with the group or not. After all it is called a Dungeon Finder rather than a Random Group Finder - even though it is effectively both.

Just like a lot of higher level people do not want to run with some lower levels, there are a lot of lower level players who want to learn, do the dungeon quest and search for chests/sacks/loot. They would rather not be with someone who wants to be in and out as quickly as possible, wiping mobs or bosses without them contributing to the cause.

Slick_007 · December 2017

this is tricky. i cant recall ever being kicked so unsure if it has a penalty. i'll assume it does not.
i want to leave the dungeon - 15min penalty - fine
i want to leave so be a tool and get kicked - no 15min penalty - not fine
i am a tool and get kicked - no 15min penalty - not fine
the group are a bunch of tools and kick me for no reason - no 15min penalty - fine

each case for kicking has a different desired result.

raj72616a · December 2017

so this is yet another post for your so called "fake tank problem"

just go back to one of your numerous posts?

Malamar1229 · December 2017

Lockout should remain in place for players who prematurely leave group.

Ohtimbar · December 2017

Never.

Samadhi · December 2017

Slick_007 wrote: »

...
i am a tool and get kicked - no 15min penalty - not fine
...

I want to skip the DPS queue so I set myself as tank with no taunts and only rudimentary buffs, and get kicked -- no 15 min penalty -- jump right back into queue and try it again

zaria · December 2017

Slick_007 wrote: »

this is tricky. i cant recall ever being kicked so unsure if it has a penalty. i'll assume it does not.
i want to leave the dungeon - 15min penalty - fine
i want to leave so be a tool and get kicked - no 15min penalty - not fine
i am a tool and get kicked - no 15min penalty - not fine
the group are a bunch of tools and kick me for no reason - no 15min penalty - fine

each case for kicking has a different desired result.

The level requirement for normal dungeons has removed the 2xlvl 15 in nICP drama, normal dlc is now at difficultly around easy veteran like they should be.
You want to hit first trash, and then first boss. yes if group fall apart and wipes on first trash in Wayrest 1 you want to sream it and carry on for the morbidity factor

Elsonso · December 2017

I don't like the idea of further punishing someone for being kicked.

I am wondering if something needs to be done to curb excessive kicking, though. Maybe a limit to how many times you can vote to kick someone over a set period of time, or changing how the group finder works to give preferential treatment to people with low kick votes. Maybe only grouping them with others that kick a lot, which actually might be something that the player would like.

CaffeinatedMayhem · December 2017

lordrichter wrote: »

I don't like the idea of further punishing someone for being kicked.

I am wondering if something needs to be done to curb excessive kicking, though. Maybe a limit to how many times you can vote to kick someone over a set period of time, or changing how the group finder works to give preferential treatment to people with low kick votes. Maybe only grouping them with others that kick a lot, which actually might be something that the player would like.

This would be an ideal solution (although I don't see ZOS implementing it). There are groups that kick everyone until they get a max CP, and should be grouped with others who have the same attitude about a random group. There is the option of allowing a player to specify exactly what kind of group they want to be matched with, so they can sit in queue until it happens. The rest of us will just take what we get and finish.

I'm reminded of one guy who's shown in up in several guilds, every day he asks for a pledge group with "Need a real healer and no crappy dps. 30k or gtfo". I'm sure he finds a group every day, my 35k+ DPS is definitely not in them.

sevomd69 · December 2017

Jpk0012 wrote: »

I was bugged the other day, and asked the group to kick me(error message was dungeon is full can't teleport). They kicked me, and then I had a 15 minute timer.... doesn't really surprise me how everything seems to be bugged.

Traveling to player in your group usually fixes this glitch...at least it does for me...

sevomd69 · December 2017

Also...if there were a 15 minute grace period before a group member can get kicked would solve a lot of issues...