Enough with this "limited time only" BS

oXI_Viper_IXo · December 2017

Rosveen wrote: »

Juju_beans wrote: »

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Juju_beans wrote: »

That supports the game so you don't have to pay a subscription.
The company has to generate revenue here folks.

None of the stuff is P2W so what's the worry ?

Actually it is P2w, why does everyone consider P2w being only stattable gear in game, it consists of everything you can get faster than anyone else and if they cannot be able to obtain it game as compared to real $ currency transactions.

I don't agree. Buying a house, costume or mount has no effect on character advancement.
It's all cosmetic. It gives you no advantage over those that don't buy them in terms of game play...dungeons, trials, pvp.

Gameplay is the way players interact with the game. It isn't synonymous with combat. It is also crafting, housing, fishing, story choices, cooperation with other players and yes, customizing your character's appearance. All these aspects come together to form an immersive MMO - if combat was the only thing that mattered, we'd all be playing a MOBA or some corridor shooter instead.

But we aren't. We're here. Not because the combat is the best ever, but because we like the world, the people in it and the multifaceted experiences we can have. Some people play to top trial leaderboards, some to become emperor, others to become filthy rich traders or to stand around in Orsinium for hours and roleplay with their friends. There is more than one way to "win" at this game.

I get the point you're trying to make, but things like mounts, homes, and cosmetics do not in any way constitute P2W. Pay to win means being able to purchase something with real money that you can't purchase with in-game currency or earn through completing content that gives you any kind of advantage over other players.

zaria · December 2017

ParaNostram wrote: »

Capitalism thrives off of artificial scarcity, it's the driving force for this consumer economy. It's exploitative business practices but hey the whole system is built off of artificial scarcity one way or another.

Just another way in which Capitalism squanders the potential of this game.

Wondering that to do with my 10K crowns.
For physical products scarcity tend to be real, but yes it might also be used to drive up prices.

monktoasty wrote: »

ParaNostram wrote: »

Capitalism thrives off of artificial scarcity, it's the driving force for this consumer economy. It's exploitative business practices but hey the whole system is built off of artificial scarcity one way or another.

Just another way in which Capitalism squanders the potential of this game.

Not capitolism there..because supply and demand says you make more supplying the demand..if you artificially scarcity it..you may make quick sales but you are not supplying it to everyone who wants it.

In a digital world where scarcity is fake..this is the opposite of capitolism.

This, food are cheaper in season, its just because of an worldwide transport network you get food out of season this increases price. Factory produced items are produced in series, afterward fabric produce something else.
This does not apply to digital products.
here its an obvious scam / exploit, you have captive audience. Still, this one has over 10K crowns and nothing to spend on.
Will buy the banker at next eso+ round, no I don't need him but nothing else to spend the crowns on, nothing in the crown crates is interesting even.

Raideen · December 2017

ParaNostram wrote: »

Capitalism thrives off of artificial scarcity, it's the driving force for this consumer economy. It's exploitative business practices but hey the whole system is built off of artificial scarcity one way or another.

Just another way in which Capitalism squanders the potential of this game.

The game would not be possible for capitalism. I agree that some aspects of capitalism can be taken advantage of by unscrupulous people, but the problem is not capitalism in and of itself.

Everything in your house, in front of your right only happened because of capitalism.

Betsararie · December 2017

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

DarkWombat wrote: »

I swear, I sometimes think all Zenimax cares about are the whales and thinks of its customers like we are shoppers in a supermarket.

It makes it really hard to keep playing. I cannot stand their business practices.

Do you need any of these limited edition items? No.

So what's the problem then?

Clearly they are making money from this business practice or they wouldn't be doing it. Be happy that it supports the game.

agree with this.

Shimmer · December 2017

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Juju_beans wrote: »

That supports the game so you don't have to pay a subscription.
The company has to generate revenue here folks.

None of the stuff is P2W so what's the worry ?

Actually it is P2w, why does everyone consider P2w being only stattable gear in game, it consists of everything you can get faster than anyone else and if they cannot be able to obtain it game as compared to real $ currency transactions.

Well, lets look at the acronym. Pay - to WIN. Nothing in the crown store gives you an in game advantage over another player, or allows you to "win" against them. It is all cosmetic. Having a house or a certain pet isnt going to get you uber leet deeps, or allow you to conquer all the bad guys in Cryrodiil. There isnt a "pay this to get a isnta 50" or a "pay this to be a insta emporer without you having to do all that work" I honestly think ZOS has done the best out of all micro transaction games by keeping all things in the store cosmetic and not offering things like legendary weapons and armor etc.

This game is the farthest from pay to win. Maybe you should go play a REAL P2W game and see what a real p2w system feels like.

Shimmer · December 2017

As for the original argument. Every company in the world, the real world, does limited time sales....

zaria · December 2017

Sylance9 wrote: »

As for the original argument. Every company in the world, the real world, does limited time sales....

Still has anybody done the economic on it? sitting on 10K eos+ crowns nothing I feel like using them on, yes limited time make you buy stuff you might want it in 5 years, but never use and spent plenty but its eso+ crowns.
however lots of eso players just do the dlc or take long breaks and loses out lots of the deals.
Bought lots of costumes and its just a few I have used, a bit skeptical after finding that my healing issue was wearing medium stealth armor for TG quest and a costume

Raideen · December 2017

Sylance9 wrote: »

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Juju_beans wrote: »

That supports the game so you don't have to pay a subscription.
The company has to generate revenue here folks.

None of the stuff is P2W so what's the worry ?

Actually it is P2w, why does everyone consider P2w being only stattable gear in game, it consists of everything you can get faster than anyone else and if they cannot be able to obtain it game as compared to real $ currency transactions.

Well, lets look at the acronym. Pay - to WIN. Nothing in the crown store gives you an in game advantage over another player, or allows you to "win" against them. It is all cosmetic. Having a house or a certain pet isnt going to get you uber leet deeps, or allow you to conquer all the bad guys in Cryrodiil. There isnt a "pay this to get a isnta 50" or a "pay this to be a insta emporer without you having to do all that work" I honestly think ZOS has done the best out of all micro transaction games by keeping all things in the store cosmetic and not offering things like legendary weapons and armor etc.

This game is the farthest from pay to win. Maybe you should go play a REAL P2W game and see what a real p2w system feels like.

The issue that many people have, including myself is that it IS PAY TO WIN. Obviously not in the regard that I can buy better weapons to do more DPS than someone who does not purchase. Part of an RPG is collecting and showing off your gear. This has been the case since Dungeons and Dragons (of course your item was in description only, not graphical). In MMORPGS, loot drops from content in game is how people have traditionally shown their prestige. In ESO there is some of that, but most of the good stuff is hidden behind random loot crates that only show how much money you spent, not your skill, or determination to get the item in game.

This is what people mean when they say that it is P2W, even in ESO.

My question is why are the people who play this game to collect or to RP the ones who have to carry the weight of supporting the game through the insanely expensive cash store?

Off topic I have a question for you. Do you think it would be ok if ZoS starts charging for dungeon runs with crowns. Kind of like a carnival where you pay to get in, but need tickets to ride the rides or play the games?

Minyassa · December 2017

Especially when it's so limited that people who can only play on weekends have literally no opportunity to throw their money at it. That's just idiotic.

Chilly-McFreeze · December 2017

zaria wrote: »

Sylance9 wrote: »

As for the original argument. Every company in the world, the real world, does limited time sales....

Still has anybody done the economic on it? sitting on 10K eos+ crowns nothing I feel like using them on, yes limited time make you buy stuff you might want it in 5 years, but never use and spent plenty but its eso+ crowns.
however lots of eso players just do the dlc or take long breaks and loses out lots of the deals.
Bought lots of costumes and its just a few I have used, a bit skeptical after finding that my healing issue was wearing medium stealth armor for TG quest and a costume

If you are sitting on 10k crowns, then it means you already paid them. It doesn't matter if you spend your crowns, ZOS only cares that you acquired them.

zaria · December 2017

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

Sylance9 wrote: »

As for the original argument. Every company in the world, the real world, does limited time sales....

Still has anybody done the economic on it? sitting on 10K eos+ crowns nothing I feel like using them on, yes limited time make you buy stuff you might want it in 5 years, but never use and spent plenty but its eso+ crowns.
however lots of eso players just do the dlc or take long breaks and loses out lots of the deals.
Bought lots of costumes and its just a few I have used, a bit skeptical after finding that my healing issue was wearing medium stealth armor for TG quest and a costume

If you are sitting on 10k crowns, then it means you already paid them. It doesn't matter if you spend your crowns, ZOS only cares that you acquired them.

Think you misunderstand, players with lots of crowns from ESO+ in bank is just an indicator that lots don't find much stuff to buy.
Yes you have plenty who use ESO+ but are not interested in cosmetic as an error source.

Surgee · December 2017

Arobain wrote: »

LIMITED TIME ONLY IS A CORRUPT BUSINESS IDEA?! LMFAO EVERY BUSINESS DOES THIS, THE ***? you honestly HONESTLY think ZOS is bad? i've played video games for years and ZOS is truly a better than alot that i have had to deal with have you played any other games with different companies, like seriously, have you?

You gotta be kidding me.
ZOS before release "It's a b2p game because we don't want to have any content locked behind paywall" - releases the game with imperial edition, which you need to buy to unlock imperial race. Morrowind price on consoles (expansion...) $50!!!!!! If that's not enough, it's the only expansion on the market that doesn't allow game sharing (together with the whole crown store crap). ZOS actually spent manpower to develop a bypass code system for consoles just to not allow sharing like other games do. The game is still way overpriced on consoles (to get all the content you need to spend probably around $200 and then get sub). Don't you ever say again ZOS is better than others. I've played guild wars 2 when it got released and it had no paywalls and all the other junk that force people to get the sub and spend crap tons of money on crowns.

Billy2112 · December 2017

So disparage people with money who keep the business profitable? Hmmmmm.

DieAlteHexe · December 2017

Billy2112 wrote: »

So disparage people with money who keep the business profitable? Hmmmmm.

Not sure how the term came into usage but Whales!

I can live with that. I enjoy the game, spend some of my discretionary funds on it and am happy to do so as long as I continue to enjoy the game.

Zordrage · December 2017

so many people miss understood the OP...

its NOT the limited time stuff itself the prob thats fine..

its the FREQUENCY of it that is getting too much..... too much limited time stuff too many times too frequently...

ALSO about the argument that these stuff are not a MUST you dont NEED them...

WELL news flash this is an MMORPG there are ALLOT of people playing these games that counts how their character looks and feels in an RPG GAME reeeeeeeeally Important...

and Hugely effect their enjoyment of the game....

also every single limited content that gets taken out is Direct content removed from the game that they wasted Dev time and money making it....
.

DieAlteHexe · December 2017

Zordrage wrote: »

so many people miss understood the OP...

its NOT the limited time stuff itself the prob thats fine..

its the FREQUENCY of it that is getting too much..... too much limited time stuff too many times too frequently...

How do you get that from the OP?

Did I miss something?

playsforfun · December 2017

i think it's fine to have limited time only crown stuff but every 6 months or so they should put all of the limited stuff back in the store for players that missed or are new etc they make money and make the consumer happy also,

Bryanonymous · December 2017

Back after 10 months and the first thing I noticed was how they released a whole zone behind a paywall separate from the plus sub. Looked in the crown store... much added to the crates, not much to purchase with cash direct. Also, the prices haven’t changed. Still way too high for cosmetic fluff. But hey, I guess they don’t want my money. Plenty of hardcore collectors shelling out hundreds to roll for some random digital meh... Just throwing my two cents in. I really don’t care. I ignore ads. Came here to gauge the mood of the community during maintenance. Was not disappointed. Time moves forward, but some things never change... entitled and bootlickers alike.

Mureel · December 2017

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Juju_beans wrote: »

That supports the game so you don't have to pay a subscription.
The company has to generate revenue here folks.

None of the stuff is P2W so what's the worry ?

Actually it is P2w, why does everyone consider P2w being only stattable gear in game, it consists of everything you can get faster than anyone else and if they cannot be able to obtain it game as compared to real $ currency transactions.

p2w means Pay to win. You win nothing with anything from in there.

Azurya · December 2017

DarkWombat wrote: »

I swear, I sometimes think all Zenimax cares about are the whales and thinks of its customers like we are shoppers in a supermarket.

It makes it really hard to keep playing. I cannot stand their business practices.

they sell just cosmetics, nothing of the stuff in cs is needed to be a goodskilled player!
so no need to lose your nerves about such "offers"!

Emmeric1964 · December 2017

I like the limited time "BS." If someone doesn't like buying things for the game through the store because it's "greedy and filthy", why are they even looking in the store?

Orange_fire_dragon · December 2017

Honestly, my biggest issue is the fact that the stuff is so over-priced and up for sale for such a short time. No way for a dedicated player who actually plays the game to earn it in game.

And when we do get an event with 'play to earn' stuff, it is pretty much 100% rng based. In the long run they are shooting themselves to the foot.

LadyAstrum · December 2017

Billy2112 wrote: »

So disparage people with money who keep the business profitable? Hmmmmm.

They are the ones that encourage corporate greed. I don't believe the old fashioned sub-only model isn't profitable, but the men in suits, the goblins counting their "preeties" aren't satisfied with profit. It must be ultimate profit. Maximum profit! Awe-inspiring profit! "Squeeze every penny out of em' Bob! Squeeze em' til they bleed!"

omegatay_ESO · December 2017

If only they would offer me something LIMITED, that I actually want. Most of it is ugly, ugly. To each there own I guess.

JinMori · December 2017

Raideen wrote: »

ParaNostram wrote: »

Capitalism thrives off of artificial scarcity, it's the driving force for this consumer economy. It's exploitative business practices but hey the whole system is built off of artificial scarcity one way or another.

Just another way in which Capitalism squanders the potential of this game.

The game would not be possible for capitalism. I agree that some aspects of capitalism can be taken advantage of by unscrupulous people, but the problem is not capitalism in and of itself.

Everything in your house, in front of your right only happened because of capitalism.

Pretty much this, while capitalism isn't perfect, socialism and communism leads to starvation, poverty, disaster in general.

And in capitalism you still have the right to boycott things that you don;t like, don;t like this, well, just don't buy it, after sometime companies will be forced to change their business practices, do you know how much money ea lost with it's latest star wars fiasco, give you a hint, it's in the billions.

So yea, this no capitalism garbage is *** at best, what is your alternative?

The problem is not capitalism, the problem are the idiots who buy this garbage, have some self reflection people, this is pathetic.

The wonders of capitalism.... what idiocy, do you really think that the standard of living would be so high without capitalism?

The government needs to do something about this... how about personal responsibility? Don't buy this garbage? No we always need the government to do stuff for us.

What rubbish.

SisterGoat · December 2017

Remember that these things are luxury items. You don't NEED them. Take care of your monthly expenses like food, rent, and hydro first. That new mount may be really cool, but buying some new clothes for your 3 year old is much more important.

Rosveen · December 2017

SisterGoat wrote: »

Remember that these things are luxury items. You don't NEED them. Take care of your monthly expenses like food, rent, and hydro first. That new mount may be really cool, but buying some new clothes for your 3 year old is much more important.

I'm quite confident that almost all of us are well aware of this and usually remember to pay our bills on time. I'm not sure how it's an argument in a discussion about limited time items?

SisterGoat · December 2017

Rosveen wrote: »

SisterGoat wrote: »

Remember that these things are luxury items. You don't NEED them. Take care of your monthly expenses like food, rent, and hydro first. That new mount may be really cool, but buying some new clothes for your 3 year old is much more important.

I'm quite confident that almost all of us are well aware of this and usually remember to pay our bills on time. I'm not sure how it's an argument in a discussion about limited time items?

They give a sense of urgency to spend your money in a short time span. People don't like limited items because they either a) can't afford to keep buying all of them or b) they missed something the really wanted

My argument is that you shouldn't get too bent out of shape about items you don't really need. I really wanted that Chub Loon and it was out of reach for me, but I'm not going to lose sleep over it.

Iselin · December 2017

Surgee wrote: »

Arobain wrote: »

LIMITED TIME ONLY IS A CORRUPT BUSINESS IDEA?! LMFAO EVERY BUSINESS DOES THIS, THE ***? you honestly HONESTLY think ZOS is bad? i've played video games for years and ZOS is truly a better than alot that i have had to deal with have you played any other games with different companies, like seriously, have you?

You gotta be kidding me.
ZOS before release "It's a b2p game because we don't want to have any content locked behind paywall" - releases the game with imperial edition, which you need to buy to unlock imperial race. Morrowind price on consoles (expansion...) $50!!!!!! If that's not enough, it's the only expansion on the market that doesn't allow game sharing (together with the whole crown store crap). ZOS actually spent manpower to develop a bypass code system for consoles just to not allow sharing like other games do. The game is still way overpriced on consoles (to get all the content you need to spend probably around $200 and then get sub). Don't you ever say again ZOS is better than others. I've played guild wars 2 when it got released and it had no paywalls and all the other junk that force people to get the sub and spend crap tons of money on crowns.

Black Lion Chest keys would like to have a word with you.

At least ZOZ doesn't dump Crown Crates into your inventory to entice you to buy the keys that unlock them.

CaffeinatedMayhem · December 2017

Juju_beans wrote: »

That supports the game so you don't have to pay a subscription.
The company has to generate revenue here folks.

None of the stuff is P2W so what's the worry ?

A - I have a subscription and STILL have to pay for this stuff, at those prices.

B - I also have a limited budget for crowns, and can't drop $40, or even $25, on a moment's notice. Apparenly ZOS doesn't think my money is good enough, as only a few offerings fit my budget.

I think ZOS should leave more items in the Crown Store on a permenant basis. Why retire items? They don't take up physical space. Why not bring back seasonal items (New Life, Witches Festival etc) every year? Sure, add new stuff or replace an older verion with a fancier one, but why can't we buy previous year's items? Houses should be purchaseble with gold, even if it's a ridiculous amount of gold. If ZOS wants income, make top tier housing gold purchasable after 90 day of ESO+ or similar. There are far better ways to not *** of your player base AND make more income. ZOS (or more likely pressure from Besthesda) just don't care.